i think astroboy should get the expose plotcard and expose you first, or viceversa
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[A] The Agency GAME OVER -- AGENTS WIN
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i think astroboy should get the expose plotcard and expose you first, or viceversa
Depends how sneaky we think the infiltrators would be first time around. It's possible but unlikely.
A possible scenario koodauw, mscriv and moyank are infilitrators - koodauw gives the spy to mscriv knowing he can use it on someone who wasn't an infiltrator if needed. Moyank interpret that as a reason they should stay undercover whilst allowing mscriv (who won't spy on himself) to vote failure and then use the spy to clear moyank going forward. It's possible but given that this was the first mission of the first game and the infiltrators can't communicate with each other them coming up with it in unlikely.
Another scenario could be moyank and DP being infilitrators, moyank votes sucess and DP votes failure, then Moyank lies about the eavesdrop results to clear DP.
Both possible but unlikely given that the infiltrators can't communicate with each other privately to discuss plans.
Yikes, the assigning of plots is tough as we could be giving a powerful tool to an infiltrator before we find out that he/she is a baddie. This game is turning out to be much more strategic than I originally envisioned it to be. It's also a fascinating look into group dynamics like leadership, peer pressure, trust, conformity, independence, communication, risk-taking, etc.
Lol - you know how sneaky I can be from running the last game. I really am an agent in this one though. I mean what are the odds of me being a bad guy two games in a row!? As long as we win I don't mind what happens - we just have to be careful to last the next two missions with only 1 failure. If we do that I think we can manage the last 2.that said: am i paranoid re fenris? lol. don't take it the wrong way, buddy! all meant in the name of the cause!
Sorry. I have had an overload of homework and tests so I cannot catch up as much as I would like.
some variant of the first scenario is what i think as the most plausible multi-Infis mission, since it gives a good read to the 'other infis' to vote success and still get a fail.
the second is wrong, but i would be disapponited if you didn't consider it.
another one is just that one of the Infis would just play the odds. 50% chance they vote one each, which would be good.
25% both vote success which loses one point but gains credibility, 25% both fail, so high risk of exposure but one point in the bag.
Thanks DP
Can always count on you! Yeah - they could have played the odds but that doesn't give us much to go on if that's the case. Any 2 or 3 out of mscriv, moyank, QoS and me could be infiltrators in that case.some variant of the first scenario is what i think as the most plausible multi-Infis mission, since it gives a good read to the 'other infis' to vote success and still get a fail.
the second is wrong, but i would be disapponited if you didn't consider it.
another one is just that one of the Infis would just play the odds. 50% chance they vote one each, which would be good.
25% both vote success which loses one point but gains credibility, 25% both fail, so high risk of exposure but one point in the bag.
Something to think about Expose doesn't have to be used on someone in the team. Depending on how much you trust QoS and Moyank, it could be better to have the Expose used on someone outside of the team to give us another clear agent or infilitrator. Since Koodauw is under surveillance we know his vote. The mission failure votes could give us a possible read on astroboy - remember we will probably get spy to hand out for the next mission, when we can spy on one of them if the mission fails.
I would also recommend the use of at least one of investigate and expose to clear me, so we can have 3 confirmed agents on the team.
Thanks DP
Yeah - they could have played the odds but that doesn't give us much to go on if that's the case. Any 2 or 3 out of mscriv, moyank, QoS and me could be infiltrators in that case.
Something to think about Expose doesn't have to be used on someone in the team. Depending on how much you trust QoS and Moyank, it could be better to have the Expose used on someone outside of the team to give us another clear agent or infilitrator. Since Koodauw is under surveillance we know his vote. The mission failure votes could give us a possible read on astroboy - remember we will probably get spy to hand out for the next mission, when we can spy on one of them if the mission fails.
I would also recommend the use of at least one of investigate and expose to clear me, so we can have 3 confirmed agents on the team.
it depends if we want to proceed with this mission or not.
if we do, than we should use the cards on mission participants, so that we know whether to go on or abort.
i trust QoS as much as i trust you, and Moyank a bit more than both
Personally don't think the last no confidence should be used to abort unless its confirmed that there is a infiltrator on a team. Maybe it should be kept back for when identification verification comes out as that can only be used on someone in the team (and if finds an infiltrator it would be too late to abort the mission by any other means)
Well we have 6/4 so that argument isn't the best
Really curious if you're an agent, there are some observations that made me curious and we now twice totally come from opposing side.
Let's put it this way: I'm all for absolutely maximising our chances in match 2. Including absolutely clearing Moyank. That not only gives us the best shot to force a fourth match but also increases by a good margin our intel so the third match can theoretically be set up mutch better than in every other case.
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DP, impossible to say if there was one more hiding Match1. But as there were only super experienced players assigned I think it's dangerous to think that they wouldn't be able to communicate within the thread + they could also have gambled. I'm sorry Darling, but for me it's super important to clear you, Moyank.
I'd give expose to me and Investigate to DP and I openly tell you guys now that I'm gonna be the bad boy and snatch it from anybody asap as I really want Mo cleared. Dp should be cleared by then (hopefully) can investigate on whoever it pleases him but Astroboy wouldmake sense. Best case is we have 3 100% cleared players on the mission + wait for Koodauw to start rolling out and then will see about QoS.
Mo, please do it! If not I think it's quite suspicous since if you come up a baddie after i have to make a power move to grab that plot I wouldn't be able to get the investigation- thingy from DP who isn't a confirmed baddie by then but doesn't look half as trustworthy as before.
Well we have 6/4 so that argument isn't the best
Really curious if you're an agent, there are some observations that made me curious and we now twice totally come from opposing side.
Let's put it this way: I'm all for absolutely maximising our chances in match 2. Including absolutely clearing Moyank. That not only gives us the best shot to force a fourth match but also increases by a good margin our intel so the third match can theoretically be set up mutch better than in every other case.
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DP, impossible to say if there was one more hiding Match1. But as there were only super experienced players assigned I think it's dangerous to think that they wouldn't be able to communicate within the thread + they could also have gambled. I'm sorry Darling, but for me it's super important to clear you, Moyank.
I'd give expose to me and Investigate to DP and I openly tell you guys now that I'm gonna be the bad boy and snatch it from anybody asap as I really want Mo cleared. Dp should be cleared by then (hopefully) can investigate on whoever it pleases him but Astroboy wouldmake sense. Best case is we have 3 100% cleared players on the mission + wait for Koodauw to start rolling out and then will see about QoS.
Mo, please do it! If not I think it's quite suspicous since if you come up a baddie after i have to make a power move to grab that plot I wouldn't be able to get the investigation- thingy from DP who isn't a confirmed baddie by then but doesn't look half as trustworthy as before.
I'm not going to come up a baddie. But if you're going to strong arm me, then how about this?
Expose - Twietee
Investigate - DP (because once I'm cleared, you'll be cleared and we'll be able to trust the truthfulness of the results.
Strong Leader - QOS
This makes no sense at all. It would be better to give the Investigate to you and the Expose to DP in that case.Well we have 6/4 so that argument isn't the best
Really curious if you're an agent, there are some observations that made me curious and we now twice totally come from opposing side.
Let's put it this way: I'm all for absolutely maximising our chances in match 2. Including absolutely clearing Moyank. That not only gives us the best shot to force a fourth match but also increases by a good margin our intel so the third match can theoretically be set up mutch better than in every other case.
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DP, impossible to say if there was one more hiding Match1. But as there were only super experienced players assigned I think it's dangerous to think that they wouldn't be able to communicate within the thread + they could also have gambled. I'm sorry Darling, but for me it's super important to clear you, Moyank.
I'd give expose to me and Investigate to DP and I openly tell you guys now that I'm gonna be the bad boy and snatch it from anybody asap as I really want Mo cleared. Dp should be cleared by then (hopefully) can investigate on whoever it pleases him but Astroboy wouldmake sense. Best case is we have 3 100% cleared players on the mission + wait for Koodauw to start rolling out and then will see about QoS.
Mo, please do it! If not I think it's quite suspicous since if you come up a baddie after i have to make a power move to grab that plot I wouldn't be able to get the investigation- thingy from DP who isn't a confirmed baddie by then but doesn't look half as trustworthy as before.
Expose has to be used publicly so DP can't use it to hide an infiltrator in the slim chance case that Moyank and DP are both infiltrators. The chance of you also being an infiltrator and them creating a 3 person chain where every one appears cleared but are infiltrators is unlikely so we should continue the chain with you using the investigate to clear someone else.
I'd forgotten you had the take responsibility card - that makes things easier - give expose and investigate to you and DP and we can steal back the strong leader if we feel we need to - (i.e. if that person turns out to be an infiltrator) or we could let them take a leader role and vote it down if we think it's preferable for you to keep take responsibility to steal some other plot later.
It's worth pointing out that we may be experienced in WW games, but none of has have experience in this one.
I don't either. I understand the reasoning, but it feels like we're wasting all of our bullets, which is why I wasn't a fan of the use of the NC last round. At least the use of investigate hopefully clears one more (or outs a baddie). And then we have 4 and 1 more NC in the back pocket.
Alright, thx Almighty Agent Awesome.
That has zero to do with the last games, QoS. Believe me.
Now, that I have it, should I really use it on her?
I mean, I don't have a bad feeling with neither QoS nor Astroboy. One can be cleared by DP. With Koodauw in check (partially because we still got No Confidence in play and of course because it's still match two: how is this not a good shot?!
DP: your thoughts on this before I move on? I can understand that it may feel like a waste but I'm convinced that it's not. But I don't want to totally dictate how we proceed, just wanted to make sure I get the Expose card since I felt like the only one really being 'conservatie' about this issue.
That has zero to do with the last games, QoS. Believe me.
Now, that I have it, should I really use it on her?
I mean, I don't have a bad feeling with neither QoS nor Astroboy. One can be cleared by DP. With Koodauw in check (partially because we still got No Confidence in play and of course because it's still match two: how is this not a good shot?!
DP: your thoughts on this before I move on? I can understand that it may feel like a waste but I'm convinced that it's not. But I don't want to totally dictate how we proceed, just wanted to make sure I get the Expose card since I felt like the only one really being 'conservatie' about this issue.
Agreed - and in WW the wolves can chat privately. Here they can't which I think makes any kind of complex strategy considerably more unlikely for the infiltrators, especially with it being the first game.
You didn't have to use it! I personally think we should have let it go forward and kept both no confidences for when other plots showed infiltrators on the team.
If DP hadn't cleared Twietee and you clearing DP I would be thinking Twietee was a bad guy about now. However, for him to be bad it would mean there was a chain of misdirection leading from you, to DP to Twietee though which I think its pretty unlikely at this point (it would also mean 3 out of 4 infiltrators were adjacent to each other in the original list - also unlikely)
I don't think Moyank has actually given them out yet - it was just her suggestion of how to give them out due to your strong arming her. I also don't see why the expose card over the investigate card - either you could use to clear moyank if you want - personally i think we're better off extending the chain of proof rather than turning it into a 3 person circle.Alright, thx Almighty Agent Awesome.
That has zero to do with the last games, QoS. Believe me.
Now, that I have it, should I really use it on her?
I mean, I don't have a bad feeling with neither QoS nor Astroboy. One can be cleared by DP. With Koodauw in check (partially because we still got No Confidence in play and of course because it's still match two: how is this not a good shot?!
DP: your thoughts on this before I move on? I can understand that it may feel like a waste but I'm convinced that it's not. But I don't want to totally dictate how we proceed, just wanted to make sure I get the Expose card since I felt like the only one really being 'conservatie' about this issue.
At one point you have to validate that chain and there aren't many possibilties to do that. This is one now while we'd also expand it (well, possibly since there could also a traitor come up).