[A] The Agency GAME OVER -- AGENTS WIN

[Don't panic]

@twietee , good point about the infis trying to leave hints on what they would do. Unfortunatly i think this is quite easy to do if you know who the other infis are ( which they do) since something apparently innocent can be a loud signal to the proper eye.
The opposite is true for agents, where something infact innocent can look ( or painted to look) suspicious.
I will be very surprised if the infis do not win this game, as it will take time for agents to develop a cohesive view and strategy, and to work out the do's and dont's. Infis game in the other hand is more straightforward, so they'll get there more rapidly.

Plus to get the nuances on the phone is really really hard
I should be in front of a proper monitor later, so i will address some of your other points later

Just one wuick point about the plotcards: remember that chances they end up into Infis hands are very high, especially at the beginning: 4/9 if koodauw is agent, and much more if he is Infi (as he would gove them to teammates). So mscriv and moyank could be both agents, both infis or one each

 

[ravenvii]

All right, everyone on @Koodauw's team (@Moyank24, @mscriv, @Queen of Spades, @Don't panic, @FenrisMoonlight) send me a PM with "success" or "failure". Remember, one "failure" PM equals a failed mission.

I've updated the OP with what plots each player has currently. Be mindful of when you can use the cards (Queen of Spades can use the No Confidence card only during the mission phase, mscriv can only use his during the pre-planning phase, and Moyank24 can use hers anytime).

You declare your intention to use a plot, and on who (if applicable) in the thread. And I will post or PM the results, depending on the plot (here, the Spy plot's results will be posted publicly, while the Eavesdrop's result will be PM'd to Moyank24 privately).

Hope this clears things up! Let's wrap up our first turn!

 

[Moyank24]

I'd like to eavesdrop on Don't Panic.

 

[twietee]

Just one quick point about the plotcards: remember that chances they end up into Infis hands are very high, especially at the beginning: 4/9 if koodauw is agent, and much more if he is Infi (as he would gove them to teammates). So mscriv and moyank could be both agents, both infis or one each

Of course chances are high - that's why the eavesdrop/Mo who can clear a player herself is so important to be cleared as well. If we're lucky we can clear quite some players (Mo, the player Mo scanned and to some degree the one spy'd upon) since we really can't trust any info that we gathered (a point mscriv made that it would be harder for the inf later, but that only holds weight if we can clear our informants first - which is a hard task in itself.

ninja'd. meh, any reason why DP over mscriv, moyank?

 

[Don't panic]

Of course chances are high - that's why the eavesdrop/Mo who can clear a player herself is so important to be cleared as well. If we're lucky we can clear quite some players (Mo, the player Mo scanned and to some degree the one spy'd upon) since we really can't trust any info that we gathered (a point mscriv made that it would be harder for the inf later, but that only holds weight if we can clear our informants first - which is a hard task in itself.

ninja'd. meh, any reason why DP over mscriv, moyank?

It was either me or wood

 

[Moyank24]

Of course chances are high - that's why the eavesdrop/Mo who can clear a player herself is so important to be cleared as well. If we're lucky we can clear quite some players (Mo, the player Mo scanned and to some degree the one spy'd upon) since we really can't trust any info that we gathered (a point mscriv made that it would be harder for the inf later, but that only holds weight if we can clear our informants first - which is a hard task in itself.

ninja'd. meh, any reason why DP over mscriv, moyank?

I can only choose someone above or below me on the list...

 

[twietee]

I can only choose someone above or below me on the list...

oops. yea there was something..alrighty. something happen?

 

[Don't panic]

Also, moyank cannot truly clear me since only i and her will know if she is relling the truth about what the answer from raven was

 

[Moyank24]

Also, moyank cannot truly clear me since only i and her will know if she is relling the truth about what the answer from raven was

This is true.

That said, it helps you and I moving forward because we now know that at least 2/5 of the list are agents. And if the mission fails we can focus on 3 rather than 4.

DP is an agent.

 

[twietee]

Also, moyank cannot truly clear me since only i and her will know if she is relling the truth about what the answer from raven was

Aaaaaaand that's why I repeatedly wrote it's important to clear her asap.

read: when we have an adequate plot next turn. I also said, and still think that at least Moyank should be kept on board of the following missions since the Identification Verification plot could/should be used on her.

 

[Don't panic]

This is true.

That said, it helps you and I moving forward because we now know that at least 2/5 of the list are agents. And if the mission fails we can focus on 3 rather than 4.

DP is an agent.

True.
Although while i know you are telling the truth, i still cannot be sure you are an agent
So for me is more like 3.5

 

[Don't panic]

In the unlikely case the mission succeeds, is there any argument against proposing the same team again?

 

[twietee]

Did I already say I really dislike the odds of the agents winning this?

Now, to expand on my previous point, I think it would make sense to keep both of you on the next mission(s) in case Moyank could be cleared we had at least two verified agents on board. Hate it since both of you are still far from being cleared and there is a low probability we can even clear her that soon. Match three would be too late already mor or less.

Not a fan of this. DP, what's this game count-wise for the league table? Now I at least understand why @Plutonius didn't even bother to sign up and Melrose and ss jumped ship as long as they could..

 

[twietee]

In the unlikely case the mission succeeds, is there any argument against proposing the same team again?

nope, but wouldn't really clear anybody. except that it's likely that only 1 was an inf at max.

 

[Don't panic]

Let's see the score first.

I like the game, but it will take some iteration to get the right balance. So far, it does look a little tilted on the side of the Infis, but i think it might swing the other way as we go on with the missions

 

[twietee]

..is there any argument against proposing the same team again?

nope...

Let's see the score first.

What the heck, DP?!

 

[Don't panic]

nope, but wouldn't really clear anybody. except that it's likely that only 1 was an inf at max.

If it succeeds, it is possible koodauw just guessed the perfect team, sonif we ride that it is an easy win for the agents.
Or one or more of the Infis might have decided to hide, but if we use the same team again, they either hide again which puts the Agency closer to the clinch, or have to come out

 

[mscriv]

Okay, so we know DP is a good guy for sure, that's a great start. I'm thinking through who to "spy" on and am open to suggestions as there are various strategies we could use and some could be more successful than others. If, like @twietee suggests, clearing @Moyank24 is a priority then I could spy on her. Thoughts?

 

[Don't panic]

What the heck, DP?!

That was in reply to your other post

 

[Don't panic]

Okay, so we know DP is a good guy for sure, that's a great start. I'm thinking through who to "spy" on and am open to suggestions as there are various strategies we could use and some could be more successful than others. If, like @twietee suggest, clearing @Moyank24 is a priority then I could spy on her. Thoughts?

Again, let's wait to see the score.
If success, than you save it for next time, if not probably Mo is a good candidate

 

[twietee]

If, like @twietee suggests, clearing @Moyank24 is a priority then I could spy on her. Thoughts?

I also suggested not spying on her since it wouldn't clear her anyway, which would still be priority, but could be used to put some 'pressure' on Fenris and QoS to do the right thing and vote 'success'. But nobody replied on that thought so that is that.

If it succeeds, it is possible koodauw just guessed the perfect team, sonif we ride that it is an easy win for the agents.
Or one or more of the Infis might have decided to hide, but if we use the same team again, they either hide again which puts the Agency closer to the clinch, or have to come out

First is impossible as I'm an agent. So either koodauw didn't put a fellow baddie on the list (quite unlikely) or one is hiding.

Would be crazy to vote twice for "success" as an infiltrator in disguise if you ask me.

 

[twietee]

I see the benefit of leaving it a bit in doubt who to spy on ultimately. But I guess you know that as well.

 

[mscriv]

Again, let's wait to see the score.
If success, than you save it for next time, if not probably Mo is a good candidate

I also suggested not spying on her since it wouldn't clear her anyway, which would still be priority, but could be used to put some 'pressure' on Fenris and QoS to do the right thing and vote 'success'. But nobody replied on that thought so that is that.

The outcome of the mission will ultimately be the deciding factor on if we should use the "spy" card right away or save it. Like @Don't panic suggested, if the mission succeeds then there's not really any need to use it. However, if the mission fails then we have a chance to catch an infiltrator right away if we choose the right person to spy on. Like you said @twietee, knowing that the spy plot is in play could be a deterrent. It's comforting to me knowing that the infiltrators can't PM each other like the WW's can. I think it gives us somewhat better odds to catch them since they can't solidify their strategy amongst themselves. There's at least more of a chance that they could make a mistake.

 

[Don't panic]

i think we should look at the spy as an "offensive" weapon.
it can catch an Infi, but it cannot really clear an agent

 

[FenrisMoonlight]

This is true.

That said, it helps you and I moving forward because we now know that at least 2/5 of the list are agents. And if the mission fails we can focus on 3 rather than 4.

DP is an agent.

I have reasons for believing this is true. Note: it still doesn't clear Moyank since she could be telling the truth about the response and still be infiltrator.