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A11 Bionic Chip in iPhone 8 and iPhone X on Par With 13-Inch MacBook Pro, Outperforms iPad Pro
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Thing is I wonder if iOS 11 will boost the A10X a tad. I honestly don't care as my 7 feels 100% slower than my iPad. I feel the iPhone 10 will feel more like the iPad. I honestly just wish Apple would do what they did in 2013-2015 by giving iPads and iPhones the exact same processor but the phones got 3D Touch, much better cameras, then the iPad got the same processor clocked a little higher than given better screen resolutions and accessories, and were able to act like a full computers.
I don't like the new system of releasing the phones and iPads separately, but I guess maybe it's better business for Apple by spacing them out.
Either way the A11 reading at a couple hundred more points makes little to no actual difference from day to day tasks due to the new cameras, the new OLED, FaceID, and AR they must power. I feel that's why they'll actually be the same speed or even slightly slower than the iPP2 (first gen tend to be anyway.)
But maybe I'll be surprised come November/December.
I don't like the new system of releasing the phones and iPads separately, but I guess maybe it's better business for Apple by spacing them out.
Either way the A11 reading at a couple hundred more points makes little to no actual difference from day to day tasks due to the new cameras, the new OLED, FaceID, and AR they must power. I feel that's why they'll actually be the same speed or even slightly slower than the iPP2 (first gen tend to be anyway.)
But maybe I'll be surprised come November/December.
Yes, grandstanding, look it up.
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It can already. The Apps are just not ported to it (and considering its a phone likely never will.
You know that. So, your comment is just a lot of air.
No matter the benchmark you use, it's faster than an average 2012 laptops easily and those things could run "desktop" apps. But, it doesn't need to.
A phone will run plenty of very demanding apps a desktop never will just because it is ridden with sensors and moves in the environment.
Everything you said makes no sense and only further proves my point. A phone can’t run desktop apps as I said. Therefore benchmarks in general are rather pointless.
Until the phone has available apps that push it. These are just meaningless numbers.
Going back to the 6S Plus vs the 7 Plus, the biggest real world difference I noticed was due to ram differences.
I only believe in linear benchmarks. I have to see the "same OS" and different processors to make real conclusions and comparisons. If it's two different operating systems, you are clearly wasting your time since none of this refers to real world applications.
Even then, every chip is different, I've seen pretty big differences in GPU benchmarks using two or more samples or the same GPU.
Man, do you listen to yourself. Have you ever programmed. Do you know wth your talking about. Seems you don't.
You're using circular logic.
90% of desktop apps don't need any more power than this phone can produce.
Most interactions on a desktop are the user looking at the screen, just like on the phone.
Those are Desktop App. QED.
What limits using desktop apps on the damn phone is not processing power, but screen size and
battery size well willingness for some Apps maker to spend the money to port the apps (because lets face it... screen size).
As for some apps that tax that processor. There are plenty already and that's why people complain about battery
not lasting. People use more and more processor intensive apps on their phones. AR will be extremely taxing if it used in the way Apple is pushing it to be used.
I ran 200 inbound calls running IVR applications (a mix of about 30 apps) on less than a GIG (in fact less than 512MB) on a server with a slowish disk. So, your response makes no sense at all. Seems to be "Android thinking" when it comes to memory.
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Yet, when we actually use "real applications" (sic), the benchmark seem to even understate the difference on mobile between Android and IOS (probably because most of the issues in Android is in the UI and storage subsystem which the benchmark don't really test well (storage is better tested than UI)).
You write this long post and still make not a bit of sense. If you programmed you’d know said app that takes advantage of the A9, A10, A11 has to be created which doesn’t happen over night. Then it still has to be adopted by the user.
Still waiting for that A10 app since I’ve been so busy playing epic zen garden this past year....
Not even going back and forth. Carry on.
By the time the iPad Pro adopts OLED we will be well past the A11 processor. I suspect for the iPad tenth year anniversary. OLED was initially introduced in the AW, now iPhone, next iPad, then MB/P and finally in the iMac.
Apple and Samsung are having OLED production issues to scale and ramp up to the demand at present. Plus the larger and smaller iPhones still need to adopt this in 2018. I expect 2019/20 for the iPad line.
Much like the Nvidia and amd vega chips, apple has leveraged a minimal instruction set to crank out raw calculations.
The intel instruction set is a far bigger stack and is handicapped vis a vis raw binary calculations.
That takes nothing away from Apples awesome achievement with the a11, just a bit of context.
The intel instruction set is a far bigger stack and is handicapped vis a vis raw binary calculations.
That takes nothing away from Apples awesome achievement with the a11, just a bit of context.
If you think about it, the MacBook's motherboard can fit in an iPhone now. Most of the space is taken up by large batteries to power the big display.
We're just a generation or two away from a dockable iPhone being a viable replacement for a Mac for a pro user. Just need a screen, a standard Apple bluetooth keyboard and touch pad and a Lightning dock. Maybe iOS can introduce a desktop mode that produces a macOS like environment sharing all the apps and data already on the iPhone.
Samsung already has this feature (check Samsung Dex) but I do not believe it's getting much traction.
Rob, do you have some sort of insider knowledge you could share in regards to why you are so sure and emphatic with your replies?
Curious, what is your OS of choice?
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But it is being exploited. Clearly, you are forgetting that these iPhones are running on less RAM than their Android counterparts, and they are smoking them. This is why the chip matters, and is being advanced. It's all related.
Stop the downplaying shenanigans. Samsung users would be boasting like no other if this was reversed.
[doublepost=1517253808][/doublepost]All this talk about these current A series chips being put into a desktop machine as is, is missing the point. If Apple is making great advances in the phone realm with custom chip designs like this, why is it not feasible to think they are, and have been working on a desktop specific variant behind the scenes? They are already supplementing within the new iMac Pro, no? This is the next step.
I think that is where the real debate is, and I think that IS where they are headed.
I am a developer (for both OSX/macOS and iOS). Porting most well written non-UI code (in Objective C, C or Swift) from OSX to iOS/arm64 to macOS is trivial (only slightly more than a button push). If Cocoa libraries and macOS directory and process permissions were available for arm64, the UI code and the rest would also port fairly easily. Only those apps with hand-coded x86/SSE/etc. code, and poorly written stuff (trying to do multi-threaded stuff without semaphores, etc.) would be hard to port.
Excellent point!
Along with an HTC One M9, I also have a Sony XBR65X850E running Android. They are balllls slow because they RUN EVERYTHING.
My Apple devices (iPhone/iPad/MacBook) perform considerably smoother. I also appreciate how much control I have over what can do what. For example, I have Carrot and Dark Sky weather apps set to use GPS at all times and it does next to nothing battery wise...I’m 90% sure this would destroy the HTC.
But now you’ve put yourself in a position to be my hero with this question!!!
1. iPad PRo 9.7” with A9X and 2GB ram reloads Safari pages FAR TOO OFTEN.
2. iPhone 8 Plus with A11 and 3GB ram reloads Safari pages and apps like YouTube FAR LESS OFTEN.
Do you think this is all ram related or would the chip add to this? Do you think there’s anything I could do to help?
I don’t even care to use the iPad anymore because if I’m comparing...say office chairs on staples and have 7 of them open, they refresh and scroll to the top when I switch between them.
I end up getting up to use the MacBook or switch to the phone.
I’m ready for a new iPad. :/
This should be interesting..
How exactly is the new iPhone smoking..say... the Note 8 ? And, the 3GB RAM is sufficient ?