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I have no problem with what Cook said.

If someone makes a movie about your friend and they misrepresented him would you not say something about it?
Or will you just let the movie slander your friend.

its obvious that Cook and many others WHO ACTUALLY KNEW STEVE JOBS don't like the movie and don't think it reflects Jobs true self fairly.

Did steve have a darker side? From your own knowledge ?
 
Well that is patently false. Apple has done more than most any other tech company to monitor and reduce the problems inherent to Chinese factories that employ hundreds of thousands of workers. Workers who come there freely from their farms in the country because they can make a lot more money working in the factory for a while and then bring that money back to their home.


Lmao, I hope you work for Apple and have just internalized that BS otherwise you might want to start thinking for yourself.
 
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I'm not going to argue that it isn't true. I'm arguing that it's irrelevant.

Well, it's not irrelevant, especially in this context. Cook is a hypocrite for calling filmmakers who won't make much off this opportunistic when his company is objectively opportunistic as much as any major company possibly can be. Sorkin is right.
 
Yes, lots of American workers are moving to China because they can make so much money at the Apple factories there... :eyeroll:

I know you think you're being sarcastic or clever but you really should take a look at the lines that form to get positions in factories assembling Apple products. Lines outside of Apple stores pale in comparison. Tens of thousands of lives are changed because of Apple for better or worse. The only difference is that Apple actually audits all of these cases and is transparent unlike every other billion dollar company doing the same thing.
 
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Well, it's not irrelevant, especially in this context. Cook is a hypocrite for calling filmmakers who won't make much off this opportunistic when his company is objectively opportunistic as much as any major company possibly can be. Sorkin is right.

Question: Is Cook right or is he wrong? That is all that is relevant. Everything else is a smokescreen.
 
Well, it's not irrelevant, especially in this context. Cook is a hypocrite for calling filmmakers who won't make much off this opportunistic when his company is objectively opportunistic as much as any major company possibly can be. Sorkin is right.
I hope Apple is objectively opportunistic. I own Apple stock. BTW, it would be illegal for them to be anything but opportunistic. It's not like they are listed as not-for-profit.
 
Aaron Sorkin did this to make money, just like Apple and Tim Cook do what they do to make money.
Although that might not be their primary motive, neither party can deny that it is a part of their motives.

Regarding this liberal talking point about Chinese laborers, nobody is forcing any of these workers to work at those factories.
Throwing numbers like 17 cents per hour without context is pretty useless.
17 cents per hour might not be good for US workers, but it is the best option available for those migrant workers in Foxconn factories, and living costs are much lower for these workers than for Americans.
Finally, it's important to point out that the industrialization phase that China is going through (which is nearly finished) is exactly what every "first-world" nation has gone through in the past.
 
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Steve Jobs is at the very bottom of my admiration ladder. A lot of brutality, not much intelligence. The whole Apple product lines carry little intelligence to speak of. It was a matter of time, make things smaller. Then for what? 90% entertainment and 10% genuine usefulness. It's for killing time and killing off more id*ots who cannot get off an iPhone.
What does it say about you? You're posting on an Apple rumors site. Are you here to save all of us from our own stupidity?
 
They are opportunistic. Anything done for money is opportunistic.

It's a movie. Directors, actors, screenwriters are artists and their art form is film. The studios are the ones who invest in said property in hopes to get money back - but in movies like these they just expect to get critical acclaim which further advances everyone's careers.

So sure, if you think it's opportunistic, then everything is. You getting a car and going to work is opportunistic....I could go on.
 
i don't think he's trying to say it's not opportunistic.. at some level, it obviously is..

he's more saying "this is like obama complaining about michelle being a control freak"

S, basically, he's trying to deflect something that might make him look bad by attacking somebody. Glad we still have adults basically doing the equivalent of "but he did X" like my 9 year old nephew does.
 
way to divert the discussion from the valid point that has been made. Why do people feel the need to defend a company that gives zero ***** about them?
Maybe Apple has done more for them than Hollywood has? Wouldn't you defend something that you care about if it was being attacked by something you don't care about as much? We don't have to care about something just because it cares about us.
 
What does it say about you? You're posting on an Apple rumors site. Are you here to save all of us from our own stupidity?
Steve Jobs and Apple all together are so over-rated. A greedy man led a greedy company that together made little real contributions to humanity. It is a great thing he's gone and Bill Gates lives on.
 
Cook: Sorkin's an opportunist
Sorkin: I know you are but what am I
Cook: You're an opportunist
Sorkin: I know you are but what am I

That's how childish this all is.

Sorkin could have just said hey I understand that this movie may not appeal to everyone but we've done the best we could with the details we were given and have made the best product with what we've got. I encourage Mr. Cook to come view it with me so we can discuss where I fell short.

Mr. Cook, also, could have maybe taken more of an integral role in the making of the movie to guide Sorkin the direction that may have been more appropriate.

Sorkin: 0 Cook: 0

Just my view of it.
 
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If any of those company CEOs had criticized his movie, then he might have said something similar about their factories.

But they didn't. Tim Cook did. That's why Sorkin singled him out.

As for Apple and Foxconn, yes, they increased wages. That's reportedly why Apple has switched to other manufacturing facilities... that are not in the spotlight... to maxmize profit for products like the Apple Watch.
Except no one would care if Sorkin said something about any other CEOs. He's selling his film about the biggest CEO of all time by attacking that CEO's next in line. That's why Sorkin singled him out.

So Apple switched manufacturers to maximize profits. How do you know that working conditions aren't better in these new factories? You don't.
 
S, basically, he's trying to deflect something that might make him look bad by attacking somebody. Glad we still have adults basically doing the equivalent of "but he did X" like my 9 year old nephew does.

yeah.. basically.

sticks&stones.. big deal, you know?.. it's funny
if it's not funny to you then move on.. def not worth getting upset over (imo)
 
Cook: Sorkin's an opportunist
Sorkin: I know you are but what am I
Cook: You're an opportunist
Sorkin: I know you are but what am I

That's how childish this all is.

Sorkin could have just said hey I understand that this movie may not appeal to everyone but we've done the best we could with the details we were given and have made the best product with what we've got. I encourage Mr. Cook to come view it with me so we can discuss where I fell short.

Mr. Cook, also, could have maybe taken more of an integral role in the making of the movie to guide Sorkin the direction that may have been more appropriate.

Sorkin: 0 Cook: 0

Just my view of it.
Sorkin's an idiot because he's responding to an emotional reaction based on no facts. Cook didn't see the movie and doesn't want to because it's about his dead friend. He offers nothing but emotional reaction and headlines. Only an ******* like Sorkin would capitalize on that reaction by challenging Cook when we all know it's pointless. It's like yelling at a grieving mother whose child was run down by a drunk driver. Of course it wouldn't have happened if the child didn't run out into the street but you don't make that your platform to attack the mother and her family.
 
Except no one would care if Sorkin said something about any other CEOs. He's selling his film about the biggest CEO of all time by attacking that CEO's next in line. That's why Sorkin singled him out.

So Apple switched manufacturers to maximize profits. How do you know that working conditions aren't better in these new factories? You don't.

I suspect no one does care. It's only on apple fan sites that users are picking up thier pitch forks!
 
Sorkin's an idiot because he's responding to an emotional reaction based on no facts. Cook didn't see the movie and doesn't want to because it's about his dead friend. He offers nothing but emotional reaction and headlines. Only an ******* like Sorkin would capitalize on that reaction by challenging Cook when we all know it's pointless. It's like yelling at a grieving mother whose child was run down by a drunk driver. Of course it wouldn't have happened if the child didn't run out into the street but you don't make that your platform to attack the mother and her family.

Kettle pot, your response seems very emotional and based on no facts....

Mother child, drunk driver..... Dude relax!
 
I have no problem with what Cook said.

If someone makes a movie about your friend and they misrepresented him would you not say something about it?
Or will you just let the movie slander your friend.

its obvious that Cook and many others WHO ACTUALLY KNEW STEVE JOBS don't like the movie and don't think it reflects Jobs true self fairly.

Great theory, but how could Cook know it misrepresented him IF HE HASN'T SEEN THE MOVIE?
 
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"Third, if you've got a factory full of children in China assembling phones for 17 cents an hour you've got a lot of nerve calling someone else opportunistic."

Ouch... that hurts !

You beat me to it! That's a "mic drop" moment. Tim can't say anything to that!
 
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