When did Tim Cook ever act like he was a gift from above?
Also, I doubt you want him to be rude during a keynote.
Seriously, this comes across as a hilarious complaint without much real basis.
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Aaron Sorkin Blasts Tim Cook for Calling Steve Jobs Films 'Opportunistic'
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When did Tim Cook ever act like he was a gift from above?
Also, I doubt you want him to be rude during a keynote.
Seriously, this comes across as a hilarious complaint without much real basis.
They own them in all but name. You're trying to mount a defense based on semantics. As long as they employ Foxconn and employ wage slaves, the point stands.
Jobs was a dishonest ****, even more so than Cook. If you watch The Man in the Machine he even says at one point "I want to delight people who work for me", while at the same time completely locking out ex-employees from ever working in SC again. He was a brilliant businessman but a scumbag of a person. Also, before anyone tries it, "You have to be that way to be successful!" is not a defense.
So you agree: They don't own any factories in Asia. Thanks for confirming.
How is that at all relevant to the topic? No one was ever debating whether they actually own the factories, just that they hire the people who work there. I called them Apple factories because that's what they effectively are.
Apple doesn't hire the people who work there.
Before we call them wage slaves, we should probably agree on whether or not they are.
No they don't. Apple puts in an order and Foxconn hires enough people to make the product.
They don't hire the people that work there. The factories hire the people that work there.
How many more false statements are you planning to make in this thread?
Completely agree. Some ignorant hypocrites think that everyone should get American salary. They have absolutely no idea about the reality in different countries, what is the alternative for these workers.. Unfortunately, they just love to read opportunistic media reports (click baits) and show that they are big thinkers.
$3/h or $500 a month working 8hrs. a day 5 days a week is wage slavery by my definition, yeah. Plenty would probably disagree. I've done shoots in factories and people who do those jobs deserve so much more than that. Apple could easily force Foxconn to change by offering just a little bit more, and it wouldn't put a ****ing dent in their profits. It wouldn't really put much of a dent in any of the big companies profits for that matter.
It is all relative, really. I mean, Apple could afford to pay them 10 USD an hour on top of the supposed 3.9 they make. They could even afford to just give all Foxconn workers a free iPhone.
Anyway, it should be more than just a "If they don't make X amount" as a worldwide measure and should bne relative to a living wage.
Well, absolutely. A factory owned by Foxconn, with employees employed by Foxconn, making devices for HP, Dell, twenty other companies, and Apple, cannot be called anything other than an Apple factory. Results are for example when workers are in fear of losing their jobs because Microsoft Xbox production drops and threaten suicides, the news is "suicide threats at Apple factory".
You are making the huge mistake of believing Sorkin's nonsense. 17 cents per hour is not "the best option available", it is totally out of reality. Salaries and cost of living are lower in China, but 17 cents per hour in China would be like McDonald's offering 50 cents an hour to a burger flipper in New York. Real salaries are 20 times higher.
Why don't you start a competitor phone company that pays people, who people a non-wage-slavery-salary with your own money instead of armchair criticizing others?
The whole point of this discussion is that Sorkin did answer with lies and not with facts.
Apple has never "exploited child labour" - Apple has for at least the last eight years done what they can to detect and punish violations of Chinese labour laws, and made companies pay compensation to victims.
And he claimed numbers for wages that are just absolutely totally ridiculous.
I think even this is missing why Sorkin's response is childish.
Sorkin responded to a criticism (being called an opportunist) with another criticism ("well you're an opportunist too!"). It's like a child responding to an insult by throwing the same insult back. It doesn't make the criticism wrong.
The fact that his response is pretty weak and arguably untrue is beside the point that it's just a childish response in the first place.
