It's not the same as experiencing it first hand. As stated, they both are right with their assertions. They are both invested in their product and have every right to state an opinion. But again - the value of an opinion of someone that hasn't experienced something first hand, to me, will always be worth less.
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Aaron Sorkin Blasts Tim Cook for Calling Steve Jobs Films 'Opportunistic'
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It's not the same as experiencing it first hand. As stated, they both are right with their assertions. They are both invested in their product and have every right to state an opinion. But again - the value of an opinion of someone that hasn't experienced something first hand, to me, will always be worth less.
a Hollywood writer using hyperbole and sensationalism in a dramatic response to something that has upset him?
no
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Technically he did not address that movie or Alan Sorkin specifically when he said "I think a lot of people are being opportunistic".
oh I agree with you in saying seeing it first hand is always best but if I felt the way Tim obviously does I wouldn't give the guy a second of my time or dime of my money.
I'm somewhat confident that the Apple CEO has gathered enough information about a movie that is about the founding history of the company and its founder to make a judgment on it.
If he truly didn't watch it, which could be a lie (if you are the apple CEO and you didn't like the movie that was about Steve Jobs, would you admit to watching the movie?), I'm sure there was someone in his inner circle who has watched it, so he can form an informed opinion about it.
If he truly didn't watch it, which could be a lie (if you are the apple CEO and you didn't like the movie that was about Steve Jobs, would you admit to watching the movie?), I'm sure there was someone in his inner circle who has watched it, so he can form an informed opinion about it.
Tim knew the guy on a level unlike most people in the world — of course his interpretation of Steve will be much different than outsider trying to capitalize on his popularity with a slightly over-the-top "documentary".
Lol, you just make up some scenario and then use it as a pass for Cook??!
Well, Mr. Cook is quite quick to point out everyone else for their lack of tolerance, environmentalism, and even quicker to pat himself on the back for a job well done in those areas. Sorkin is sensationalizing, of course, but Apple and Tim take advantage of people and the environment just like many other companies out there. I think the hypocrisy is worthy of criticism.
Please.... Apple puts on a good show.... like a lot of companies.... but its only a show. The US creates the market for these jobs in China, which is why they exist. There is a difference between child labor (6 year olds vs. 12 year olds, some countries have different ages for labor than we do) working. These "factories" that get "surprise" visits usually know the visit is coming.... how convenient... and it's not just apple, it's everyone, especially clothing companies. Go to The Gap's web site or the Limited or American eagle, and you'll read the same warm and fuzzy bs about "we inspect factories and ensure fair wages and no child labor..." Yet this is always proven untrue. Walmart is a great offender. Remember the KAthy Lee Gifford collection made in sweat shops? Of course you don't, and you don't associate it with wal-mart if you do because it's by design.... and wal-mart has this same claim on their corporate social and responsibility pages.
Currency is also a factor that has to be weighed in. 13 cents in one country is the equivalent of several dollars in another. But at the end of the day, any company that has goods manufactured in China for pennies on the dollar KNOWS how that is possible there and NOT possible here or in many other countries. It's called turning a blind eye, and making sure the evidence isn't in the room when you look.
American Apparel is an example of a company that tried to make good here, and is about to go bankrupt and out of business because no one wants to pay $20 for a basic T-shirt that they get in a 3-pack for $9 at Target or Wal-Mart... that was made in a sweat shop we all pretend it wasn't made it. I'm typing on sweat shop labor now, and apparently I dampen my own conscious to do so, but then, where i am getting any technology product that wasn't made in this fashion?
The biggest crock Apple has done is that "Mac Pro is made in the USA." Um, it's slapped together here.... yes, but all the parts were not. It's like cutting cocaine with something that isn't rat poison or baby laxative that is technically safe and justifying the blood behind getting the coke across the border in the first place, or diamonds... Google diamonds and how they are procured. Yet billions of people wear them on their fingers that the people who procured them don't have.
Can't really fault apple for doing what everyone else does. But the comment is valid. It would also be valid to call out Sorkonson for shooting a movie on camera equipment that came out of a sweat shop as well, with actors wearing clothes that came out of a sweat shop. Even what is considered a human sweat shop by some joke of a standard is something that would make most people sick if they knew the reality. That's the problem. We just ignore the reality so we can feel good in our clothes while playing with out gadgets.
American Apparel isn't a great example in my book. Sure, they make their clothes domestically, but their sweatshops here in LA are still sweatshops... sure, the conditions are better, but it's still taking advantage of the disadvantaged. Also, they spend WAY too much money on advertising and putting their stores in "prime" locations. And their advertising shows scantily clad women, objectifying them. AA has dug it's own hole in my opinion.
Jealous? Not sure if serious or trolling, lol. Cook has always struck me as a person who doesn't care about being in the media spotlight. For being the CEO of the largest company in the world, he has a relatively low profile—his recent appearance on Colbert notwithstanding. He was good friends with Jobs and recognizes his place in the world next to that great talent. People tend to value visionaries like Jobs over someone like Cook who is a logistical genius and solid leader.
Show me any other company in China doing that too. People forget that Dell and most everyone else back then was also using Foxconn. It was the Wild West of Chinese tech manufacturing. Doesn't make it right but most everyone was, in fact, doing the same thing. At least Applr was at the forefront of cleaning it up. I didn't see any other companies paying for expensive studies by third party companies to evaluate and change their behavior. Everyone also looks over the fact that these Chinese companies could have put better rules into effect to begin with. But somehow it's the American companies faults who contract.
Actually I do remember that. I also remember boycotting Walmart for several years while in college, which was quite the sacrifice since I didn't have as much money back then. It's also fairly rare that I shop there now—especially since HyVee delivers groceries to our house now for free. We're currently boycotting Nestle in our house. I'm probably the wrong person to use that example on, but I get your point, lol. Don't get me wrong, I'm not some bleeding heart boycott everyone hippy guy. But if it's bad enough then I'll just shut down all purchases. Too bad more people aren't that way as a minimum. It would at least stop the really bad companies.
Back when the original incidents at the factories happened, I was fairly critical of Apple. I was satisfied with their response. And in general on these forums I've had a very measured sense of criticism towards Apple. I try to be balanced with my comments. Sometimes I fanboy it up a bit, especially around new product launches. But I still tell it how it is. Like how my 6 Plus was a buggy piece of crap but I loved my iPad Air 2 and now my 6S is fantastic. I'm also critical of their services and how I think there is so much potential lost in poor implementation and infrastructure. So it's surprising to see so many people saying stuff about me being some blind Apple follower. People who have been around here long enough should know that I'm far from that way. Most recently I've been blasting the 16GB 6S capacity! Hah.
Who here isn't themselves opportunistic in the sense Sorkin is using the term? Does no one buy made in China here, or working for a company that is exploiting Chinese labour either directly or indirectly?
This isn't even relevant to Cook's point...
But if you really think Sorkin's point is relevant, than go out there and do something. Give back all the money you made off the exploitation whether directly or indirectly.
This isn't even relevant to Cook's point...
But if you really think Sorkin's point is relevant, than go out there and do something. Give back all the money you made off the exploitation whether directly or indirectly.
A pass for Tim Cook?
Why does he need a pass from you or anyone for that matter?
He has a job, which is to maximize value for shareholders, not to promote social justice.
If Foxconn wants to pay people a lower than market wage (which is apparently not true, and 17 cents number was just ******** that sorkin made up) to sell the same products at a good price, then it is Cook's duty to go with Foxconn.
Also I was referring to the ludicrous assertion that one needs to have watched the movie to form an opinion about it; there are many ways to get information about a movie, other than watching it.
So if Sorkin has no respect for Apple and their business practices, why in the heck has he made a movie about its founder? I'm sure there's many other projects he has more passion for.
China needs to get their **** together. They are the only real problem here allowing foreign companies to come in and pay their citizens low wages.
China needs to get their **** together. They are the only real problem here allowing foreign companies to come in and pay their citizens low wages.
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gnasher said:
Nope. It is about the length of time most workers actually in reality work, especially during times when new products are released. Some work more, some less.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30532463
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2038...-working-hours-still-exceed-chinese-laws.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/connieg...-scrutinized-after-foxconn-pegatron-reviewed/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/30/us-apple-foxconn-workers-idUSBRE82T0FC20120330
http://recode.net/2015/04/06/where-...a-rare-glimpse-inside-foxconns-factory-gates/
I wonder about that, too. If the "factories full of children paid 17c per hour" mindset informs his writing then the outcome can only be utter bollocks.
Are you alluding to the fact that Foxconn is a Taiwanese company operating in China?
