A backhanded apology. He didn't apologize for lying, and he only said he went "too far" with the qualifier that Tim Cook also went too far and demanded and apology from Cook with "your move Tim." That apology isn't worth much.
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Aaron Sorkin Blasts Tim Cook for Calling Steve Jobs Films 'Opportunistic'
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A backhanded apology. He didn't apologize for lying, and he only said he went "too far" with the qualifier that Tim Cook also went too far and demanded and apology from Cook with "your move Tim." That apology isn't worth much.
Tear, tear @Sorkin. I'm not going to see his movie either. I watch the previews and nothing interests me about it. I think Apple is in the forefront of human rights and creating equitable work places for all workers. The countries they operate in may have questionable laws and working conditions but Apple definitely goes above and beyond. Other than accusations (like Mike Daisey's who later announced he had made up the story) I don't see any current charges that make the story interesting enough to cover. But I don't think that an expose on Steve Jobs (if that is what this movie is even about) is interesting. Oh well.
Opportunistic in the broadest use of the term, yes. Using hyperbole in that manner is childish and lame attempt at deflection though, even though Cook's comments wen't directed at his movie in particular.When you make claims that are completely false (Wages are an order of magnitude higher, and Apple monitors assemblers to make sure child labour isn't used), no one should take you seriously. Stick to facts if you want to make claims like that.
Here's a link via AppleInsider with a few more details on Sorkin's apology (since it's so unlikely that MacRumors will post a non-adverse story about Apple these days).
I never said anything of the sort. In fact, I didn't even bring up Samsung. You did.
Now that you mention them though, they and Apple have the same problem: little real control over what China factories do. China cleans up for audits, then goes back to regular business.
To help fight this, Samsung has paid to install facial recognition at third party suppliers to catch underage workers using someone else's identity, and has even cut off suppliers who still used underage workers. I haven't heard of Apple doing anything except the same old meaningless audits.
Says the newbie whose short history of posts is almost entirely composed of insulting other members. I foresee a ban in your future if you don't clean up your act. Attack facts, not people.
No other CEO insulted Sorkin. If Cook hadn't said something, then Sorkin wouldn't have had a chance to respond.
Of course, it's in Apple's best interests to try to make Jobs' memory more positive. So it's understandable that he said something. Sorkin should not have been surprised.
Strawman. I never said anything about working conditions. Moreover, you don't know that they aren't worse. Now that you brought it up, a quick search finds:
Sounds worse than Foxconn.
a Hollywood writer using hyperbole and sensationalism in a dramatic response to something that has upset him?
no
(gasp)
Sorkin's lies were taken at face value by many here on MacRumors. Even by Apple "fans" who defended 17 cent per hour wages - when clearly 17 cents per hour, if it wasn't a lie, would be (1) undefendable, and (2) would leave employees literally starving. Sorkin intended to cause damage with his lies, and he achieved it.
Sorkin just went for telling lies. Which lots of people here without any thought of their own accepted as truth.
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I think most people are offended at the lie. Have you been at Foxconn? Do you honestly think Apple would knowingly work with a company that employed children for 17 cents an hour?
Seriously. Use Google (or Bing) and search for information about wages in China. If I told you that McDonald's pays 50 cents an hour to employees in New York, would you say "Holy crap If that statement about 50 cents an hour is true, something really needs to change." or would you say "that's utter rubbish, there is no way that anyone in New York could live on 50 cents an hour". That's what it is. Utter rubbish. And if you did the slightest amount of informing yourself, you would know that.
What an extremely petty and juvenile response from Sorkin. Cook was clearly talking about the Gibney hatchet job, and not this one. But seeing that he trudges out the patently false child labour accusations, I'm guessing this will be more of the same.
Really soured me on this movie, and I was even willing to look past the casting.
Really soured me on this movie, and I was even willing to look past the casting.
Of course apple would not. Apple has cut ties with parties in the past who supplied underage labour.
The 17 cents if a plucked out of air number, it does not represent actual wages.
Given it was a verbal smackdown..... Yes!
Though, and I stress this, in a verbal smackdown it's the message that's important and not the facts. The message here is, wages are very low compared to US, hence opportunistic .
The 17cents is a made up figure on the spot. though does not matter, even if he quoted the exact number, people on here would be disproving it. Let's just assume the amount is X and way under the US average hourly wage.
Wrong. Any smack down that includes lies is simply.....lies.
Anyone can smack down by telling lies about someone. A true smackdown is when you Burn someone without LIES or EXAGERATIONS. Sorkin failed.
And let's also assume it costs less to live in China. Oh, and let's assume lying in any instance makes your words have less value.
it's not a lie.. it comes off as a lie to you since you're stuck on talking his words at simplistic levels.
put the true number in there and the same exact message -- the one you're missing -- still comes true..
"Third, if you've got a factory full of children in China assembling phones for $1.50 an hour you've got a lot of nerve calling someone else opportunistic."
Sorkin says "how dare you call me opportunistic when, being the leader of the largest corporation in the world, is by very definition.. far more opportunistic than a hollywood writer ever could be considered."
he's saying "Tim, you are a hypocrite" ...just in a more dramatic way.
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your 'analysis', albeit correct, misses the point of the exchange..srry
Simplistic is saying his words should be factually correct? Either use facts with your comebacks, or they mean nothing. It's a lie because it's a lie. Stop trying to defend a lie.
Edit: As for me missing the point, his words have no point beyond "he did it too!"
i'm not defending a lie.. i already acknowledge it's not factual.. i definitely think sorkin knows chinese workers make more than 17¢ an hour..
it is a lie.. especially from your point of view.
but
so what.. it doesn't matter and is nothing to do with what is being said by either tim cook or aaron sorkin.. you're arguing about something that doesn't exist to any of the involved parties.
do you at least understand that i'm not talking about 17¢ and am trying to explain something different to you other than the single thing you're stuck on discussing?
heh.. well, at least you get it now.
that's actually what is being said by sorkin.. or- "he did it at a scale greater than i"
why you think a.sorkin must be saying something more profound than that is beyond me.. he threw a stone, media picked up on it, people go wild over it.. ie- the exact formula as reality t.v.. not worth getting too caught up in if you ask me.
Except you responded back to me when I was talking about it. And the fact that you don't care about facts is irrelevant. Some of us have integrity.
Nope.
And as such, his words are both worthless and pointless. And he shouldn't have been given the time of day to spew his stupid.
well, you're doing exactly what you're arguing against.. somehow, you're proclaiming as fact that i don't care about facts.. and that couldn't be further from the truth.
following your same style of logic, i now deem you a liar and discount everything you've said as b.s.
for clarity- i'm not saying "you-> m.goff.. are a liar!"
i'm just sayin is all.
It would only hurt if the man had a clue what he was commenting on. I've been manufacturing product in China for 25 years and its getting so expensive that Mexico and the US are interesting options now. When are people going to get a clue and realize what Global Capitalism is all about?
$0.17 an hour is $27.20 a month. This is wrong, stupid,and frankly a lie. i've worked in china for 25 years in 'lesser" industries than electronics. The average annual salary for a factory worker in China is between $600 - $900 a month. Or in hourly terms - $3.50 - $4.80 an hour. Anyone who quotes differently is talking about decades old numbers or factories who are below standard compliance levels. I can tell you first hand that Apple is well beyond standard compliance and pays better than average. Sorkin is a liar.
jayisblessed - thank you, Sir. Nice to see another one on here who knows the truth. Keep it up!
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Let me help you with that:
"Third, if your contractor's got a factory full of adults1 in China assembling phones for $1.85-$2.502 an hour, which is a reasonable salary compared to the living cost in the district3, you've got a lot of nerve calling someone else opportunistic."
SOURCE 1: "Foxconn Electronics (Hon Hai Precision Industry) has raised the age requirements for recruitment at its plants in Zhengzhou, China from 18-40 to 23-40, which some market watchers believe is meant to accelerate its progress to automation."
SOURCE 2: "An average Foxconn worker has a monthly salary of around RMB 2,000 (US$326). But with overtime pay, their actual take-home can end up being as high as RMB 3,000 or 4,000 a month (US$489-$652)."
SOURCE 3: "2014 urban resident average expenditure was 2,543 RMB, but the included living costs (253 RMB) does not include housing purchase or construction costs."
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right.. but so what.
he could of said "Third, if you've got a factory full of slaves in China assembling phones for zero pay you've got a lot of nerve calling someone else opportunistic."
..his same point has been made.. a greater sense of sensationalism but still the exact same point.
you're simply failing to recognize what sorkin said and are far too concerned with how he said it..