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Yes, lots of American workers are moving to China because they can make so much money at the Apple factories there... :eyeroll:
That's a straw man argument because American workers have absolutely nothing to do with this. They do a lot better at the factories than living in the country. Why would so many leave their tranquil country life to go work in a factory? Because they're starving out there! At least in the city they can get a job that has a living wage at a factory. Like it or not, it's an improvement over the current situation. Can Apple do more to improve things? Certainly, but at some point they might as well bring their business back to America if it's going to cost that much…speaking of which…

If you want to talk about the US, Apple can't afford to make stuff over here because we screwed up. The republicans passed laws and encouraged trade deals to allow all these companies to easily move operations over seas. The democrats with the unions encouraged unsustainable labor wages for low skilled positions. Everyone messed up. There needs to be a more balanced approach to these things but a bunch of bloody idiots are running our country from one complete extreme to another when neither works!
 
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cook is being self serving, cynical and hypocritical, money does that to people, no ceo of a company that size is a nice person, sorkin is just reacting but needs to get his facts right

the 0.17 usd/hour is wrong, the rates at foxconn (and pegatron) are much higher, but still low vs. average living costs in the area, and this is in a country where inflation is non-trivial

the poster above who thinks chinese people from the farm have freedon of movement is ignorant, there is no such freedom, rural people in particular face restrictions on moving to urban areas, in china they like to keep the peasants down on the farm

foxconn has had the spotlight on it and improved conditions, but that costs more, so apple has shifted some work to subcontractors who pay less and work people harder, such as pegatron

so you can see how apple is so nice to do business with, how it really cares about those poor foxconn workers by giving their jobs to pegatron, where workers get ground harder for less, great for the share price though

if you look at apple's labour costs as % of profit it's very clear it could make a lot of poor people happy, without increasing prices a single penny, and while still making industry leading margins

apple isn't a charity of course, it's there to maximise profit, like all large companies it squeezes the most it can get away with out of people, go too far and there's bad press, so it looks for the line, it's not nice of course, it's global business

and before the ranting starts, i'm not anti-apple, but some people here seem to think it's some kind of lovely, cuddly, supernice company that sheds happiness and joy, it's not

it's just another company that wants to pay as little cost, including tax, as it can, and sell to the market for as much as it can, which is why any reseller that tries real discounting suddenly finds it has no stock, or cannot get new products until long after release

apple is no better or worse than all the other companies who do the same, though perhaps it has the best pr and a lot more control of it's supply chain and sales channels

You do realise that every consumer electronics company uses the same companies as Apple do right?
And you realise that China is a sovereign country with its own laws and regulations that these companies adhere to. Unless you want to tell the Chinese what to do with their own people?
(which is a pretty f*d up thing considering that no one gets to tell America what to do with its people).
 
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Do folks really make 17 cents an hour in China? Wow!!!

So I know that's cheap and all... but that's what it is in China, and that meets minimum wage right?

Just because it's not 10 bucks an hour ... it doesn't mean Apple is ripping off people. Apple actually creates millions of jobs in China... I don't think it's right for the that guy to attack Cook in that way.

no. foxconn workers make more on the order of $17USD/day. for a 10hour day. about 400/month. a very good salary in rural china. sorkin's a blowhard. i hear the movie's good, and he's a good writer. but he's a blowhard. tim is just defending against all the negative stuff about steve that people, storytellers and news pundits, like to.. yes, capitalize, on. it's in their nature. just as you can't fault tim for defending his friend and the creator of his epic company. it's all fine. aaron: go do another line. tim: smile. apple lovers: keep buying. foxconn workers: keep assembling. justice is restored throughout the land.
 
Aaron Sorkin made that movie to further his career, just like every other screenwriter/producer. Whether or not "he and other top executives on the project had taken pay cuts to get the film made" is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things; that's merely a clever calculation made in the hope their stars in Hollywood burn just that little bit brighter.
 
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I wonder if when Sorkin and the rest of Hollywood are snorting cocaine off a hookers ass, they spare a thought for the people that are beheaded and skinned alive in Mexico via gang warfare. Just to bring them their precious white powder that they can stuff up their noses. I think that's a tad "opportunistic" as well.

We are all guilty for causing pain to someone else somewhere in this world. No one should be patting themselves on the back. It's a fact of life. I don't see how childish spats help things. Besides at least Cook has contributed to lifting 100's of millions of Chinese out of poverty. What the **** has Sorkin done accept character assassinate successful young entrepreneurs?
 
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"Third, if you've got a factory full of children in China assembling phones for 17 cents an hour you've got a lot of nerve calling someone else opportunistic."

Ouch... that hurts !
It's better than the 1 Yuan per hour you'd get elsewhere in China.
 
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Wow a lot of butthurt people here. Obviously Cook hit a nerve. And we don't even know he was referring to Sorkin's movie.
Careful about using the b word. Good people have had forced vacations from these forums after using that very emotive word.
 
Wow, what a childish response.

Also, the people who make these sorts of accusations at Apple are absurd. Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony manufacture the Playstation 4, Wii U, and XBox One at the same Foxconn factories. Dell and HP also manufacture their computers there.

You know who doesn't, though? Aaron Sorkin. I'm not sure what Dell, etc have to do with this.
 
I think Sorkin is being way too defensive. I saw the interview, and it seemed like Colbert and Cook were talking about that documentary, and not Sorkin's moving at all.
 
Well that is patently false. Apple has done more than most any other tech company to monitor and reduce the problems inherent to Chinese factories that employ hundreds of thousands of workers. Workers who come there freely from their farms in the country because they can make a lot more money working in the factory for a while and then bring that money back to their home.
That still doesn't make it false. Apple, HP, Dell, etc. all take advantage of cheap Chinese labor. Actually, it points out that neither the filmmakers nor Apple are wrong to make money off of something. If Tim Cook is going to bash them, he should check himself first.

He's probably jealous that they're making films about the ex-CEO.
 
I wonder if when Sorkin and the rest of Hollywood are snorting cocaine off a hookers ass, they spare a thought for the people that are beheaded and skinned alive in Mexico via gang warfare. Just to bring them their precious white powder that they can stuff up their noses. I think that's a tad "opportunistic" as well.

We are all guilty for causing pain to someone else somewhere in this world. No one should be patting themselves on the back. It's a fact of life. I don't see how childish spats help things. Besides at least Cook has contributed to lifting 100's of millions of Chinese out of poverty. What the **** has Sorkin done accept character assassinate successful young entrepreneurs?

This is the most ridiculous post I have ever seen.
 
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seriously?

I don't know who he is. A producer I assume.

I never care about who the author is or who the producer/director is for the most part. I have a friend who speaks about movies and books in terms of writer/director styles and I have no idea who he is talking about most of the time. Some of us focus on different things and could care less about who is who.
 
I agree with Tim. What Sorkin said was just a desperate cheap shot from a man making a desperately bad movie about one of the most important men to ever have walked this earth.
 
I have no problem with what Cook said.

If someone makes a movie about your friend and they misrepresented him would you not say something about it?
Or will you just let the movie slander your friend.

its obvious that Cook and many others WHO ACTUALLY KNEW STEVE JOBS don't like the movie and don't think it reflects Jobs true self fairly.

I always wondered about this. Just because Tim Cook thinks he is misrepresented, does that automatically mean Jobs was misrepresented. I mean Im sure Jobs was nice to his friends. But Jobs was a man with many personalities and he clearly was not a saint. I wouldnt be surprised if he treated 90% of the people he met badly
 
Would you like someone making a movie about your Spouse/Parent/Child a month after they passed? What about 4 years?

IMO, that is disrespectful to the deceased. Steve Jobs can't even defend his name and reputation.
Steve Jobs, his entire life, didn't care what anyone thought of him. He didn't care how much of an ******* he looked like as long as he achieved his goals. I think it's fair in this case.

Maybe if you care about what people will say about you after you die, you can try looking better or being nicer to people, but I genuinely think he did not care. That's fine; his decision.
 
"Third, if you've got a factory full of children in China assembling phones for 17 cents an hour you've got a lot of nerve calling someone else opportunistic."
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It's not a BURN if it's false. Apple does not allow factories to employ children, and they've done more to raise the employment standards in the East than most tech companies. Sorkin can suck his toe.
 
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