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"Third, if you've got a factory full of children in China assembling phones for 17 cents an hour you've got a lot of nerve calling someone else opportunistic."

Uh-huh, as if nothing produced in Hollywood relies on cheap labor overseas. I bet those DVDs are all produced in American factories, right, Aaron?

The stupid part is that Tim Cook is right. The film is opportunistic because it was planned shortly after Jobs' death. I don't think pointing that out says anything about the quality of the film nor about those who worked on it. And you don't have to see the film to recognize that fact.

Just proves that Aaron Sorkin is a self-important douche.
 
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I have no problem with what Cook said.

If someone makes a movie about your friend and they misrepresented him would you not say something about it?
Or will you just let the movie slander your friend.

its obvious that Cook and many others WHO ACTUALLY KNEW STEVE JOBS don't like the movie and don't think it reflects Jobs true self fairly.

But Cooke didn't even see the movie, so how would he know if the movie misrepresent Jobs if he didn't even see it...? I bet you didn't see it either...
 
Wow, what a childish response.

Also, the people who make these sorts of accusations at Apple are absurd. Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony manufacture the Playstation 4, Wii U, and XBox One at the same Foxconn factories. Dell and HP also manufacture their computers there.

Apple is the only one who publishes regular worker safety reports and does inspections and forces Foxconn to improve working conditions. They're by far the most responsible of every company in this list, so singling them out is ridiculous. It's an industry-wide issue that needs to be solved, not something Apple is doing.

The fact that this is Aaron Sorkin's view of the Foxconn situation makes it seem very unlikely to me that this will be an accurate film, if he buys in to media storylines like "the Apple factories".

Agreed.

I wonder what kind of mobile phone that Sorkin uses? If he uses an iPhone, he'd be an even bigger hypocrite than he's claiming Tim of being.
 
Exactly what.

Exactly that Sorkin is telling lies?
No one gets paid 17 cents an hour or is under 21 years old in Apple product factories


You don't actually believe that, do you?

And does it really matter if they are instead making 32 cents an hour? Does that make it not opportunistic? What about 53 cents an hour? 65 cents an hour is basically the most you can make in china in a factory, and Foxconn doesn't pay anything close to that. 20 cents an hour is probably accurate.
 
Apple is the only one who publishes regular worker safety reports and does inspections and forces Foxconn to improve working conditions. They're by far the most responsible of every company in this list, so singling them out is ridiculous. It's an industry-wide issue that needs to be solved, not something Apple is doing.
Wrong, Apple isn't the only one and if they all do wrong, it doesn't make it right.
 
"Third, if you've got a factory full of children in China assembling phones for 17 cents an hour you've got a lot of nerve calling someone else opportunistic."

This is one of those things that sounds good but doesn't really mean anything.
 
I think that the only one that should discuss about the movie in that way is Steve Jobs's family. Tim Cook was his co-worker for 10 years. Yes they were close, but he is not Steve Jobs's family member, he didn't knew Steve from his old days in Apple and making these kind of statements as an Apple CEO are unneeded. I don't see J. Ive or S. Wozniak making such comments. On the other hand I support Sorkin for the statement, but he went too far as well making such statement about Apple's factories in China.
 
Tim ought to just piss off and drop it with a simple "I haven't seen the movie" so no comment. Jobs was a tech visionary unmatched since the digital age started but he was an arrogant micro-manager who was extremely difficult to work for and had a person life which was just as unmatched. I liked the book, warts and all, and I expect I'll find the movie enlightening as well.
 
Up until two years ago, the "official" minimum age for Foxconn was 18 years old. Inspectors routinely found many workers younger than that. Whether that's actually changed in practice we don't know.
It used to be 18 but it's 21 now.

In either case Apple's factories are not and never were "full" of children, they just have a problem with workers who borrow paperwork from an older sibling or friend so they can get a job when they're 20 years old.

I don't know about you, but a 20 year old is not a "child" in my book. A child is 10 years old.

Where I live (Australia) where you're allowed to work as soon as you turn 15 (as long as it's outside school hours or on holidays). Almost everybody in the country starts work around that age (I started at 14).

Finally, there's no way the factories are "full" of underage workers. According to Apple only 0.001% of their workers are under the minimum age and any supplier who's caught knowingly hiring underage workers is banned from being part of Apple's supply chain.
 
"I think a lot of people are trying to be opportunistic and I hate this. It's not a great part of our world."

Sorkin's way off base, he didn't say everyone, and his Job's movie wasn't even out when the quote was given. In context Cook's quote could easily be wholly ascribed to the previous movies that had already come out.

But hey, any publicity is good publicity, right?
 
I think that the only one that should discuss about the movie in that way is Steve Jobs's family. Tim Cook was his co-worker for 10 years. Yes they were close, but he is not Steve Jobs's family member, he didn't knew Steve from his old days in Apple and making these kind of statements as an Apple CEO are unneeded. I don't see J. Ive or S. Wozniak making such comments. On the other hand I support Sorkin for the statement, but he went too far as well making such statement about Apple's factories in China.
Actually, Tim Cook probably knew Steve far better than Steve's own family did.

Tim tried give his liver to save Steve, but Steve got angry and preferred to die than have Tim go through a fairly safe medical procedure (any operation has some risk of infection... but other than that removing a liver is safe). That tells me that they both loved each other just as much as family and it also proves that Steve was a very compassionate man.
 
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I side with Sorkin whole heartedly. Cook is a hypocrite
Cook is simply a reflection of "The Apple Way". To specifically point the finger at Cook is to fail to recognize Apple tradition. Steve Jobs embedded narcissism, an air of superiority and an ongoing use of hypocrisy in the very fiber of Apple Inc.

This is a very well known aspect of who Apple is, no matter who's steering the ship. It's certainly not bad, it's just how it is. Supremely clever, Apple can sell anything to us. We wouldn't be posting here if that weren't the truth. :D
 
"Third, if you've got a factory full of children in China assembling phones for 17 cents an hour you've got a lot of nerve calling someone else opportunistic."
Tim Cook after reading this:
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Earlier this month, Tim Cook sat down for an interview with Stephen Colbert, where discussion turned to Aaron Sorkin's upcoming "Steve Jobs" film and Alex Gibney's "Steve Jobs: The Man in the Machine" documentary.

Though Cook has not seen either film, he called Jobs an "amazing human being" and suggested he hated the movies being made about Jobs. "I think a lot of people are trying to be opportunistic and I hate this," he said. "It's not a great part of our world."


Aaron Sorkin gave a scathing response to Tim Cook's comment in a recent interview with The Hollywood Reporter calling out Apple's Chinese factories and telling the interviewer that he and other top executives on the project had taken pay cuts to get the film made.Aaron Sorkin's Steve Jobs film, which stars Michael Fassbender as Steve Jobs and Seth Rogen as Steve Wozniak, is set to premiere next month. It's already been screened at the Telluride Film Festival in Colorado, where it received rave reviews and led to buzz about a possible Oscar nomination for Fassbender's performance.

The movie is based on Walter Isaacson's best-selling biography and follows Jobs at three product launches, giving a behind-the-scenes look at the way Steve Jobs interacted with friends, colleagues, and family, including his daughter Lisa. In the past, Tim Cook has said the biography was a "tremendous disservice" to the Steve that he knew because it focused on "small parts of his personality." "The person I read about there is somebody I would never have wanted to work with over all this time," he said.

Article Link: Aaron Sorkin Blasts Tim Cook for Calling Steve Jobs Films 'Opportunistic'
 
"Nobody did this movie to get rich"

Well that's total BS. Sorkin was paid millions to produce the script. And every movie studio makes a film with the intention of turning the largest profit they possibility can.

Also his last quip is unnecessary and childish. I don't agree with Cook but I don't think this is a classy response.
 
both guys are opportunists. get over it Tim(as close to name calling that I have seen from Tim). get over it Aaron(unfortunately, his best work is probably behind him).
 
I agree with Tim. What Sorkin said was just a desperate cheap shot from a man making a desperately bad movie about one of the most important men to ever have walked this earth.
Oh mate, I thought we had this under control.. If there was a list of most important people doing the rounds, Steve, God bless him wouldn't make the top 500, you know why, he ran a firm that sold mobile phones, and a few computers.. That's it, no more no less.. He didn't cure cancer, he didn't end world poverty.. None of that, he sold telephones.. Is the head of Sony at the top table as well.. They were forerunners in loads of tech stuff...no ?.. Same criteria.... Sorry buddy... The world doesn't rate jobsy the same as you do my friend..
 
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Well few things really, first is Tim actually knew Steve so if he says these are money grabbing hack jobs he has the insight to make the comparrison. Secondly Children are not making iPhones for 17 cents. In fact biggest issue is robotics taking away these wven low paid jobs from workers.

And lastly in the interview he was more responding about the other films about Steve Jobs including rhat tv bio-pic.
 
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While the rest of us COULDNT care less.....

Aaarrrgggghhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! What is wrong with these people....
 
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I always wondered about this. Just because Tim Cook thinks he is misrepresented, does that automatically mean Jobs was misrepresented. I mean Im sure Jobs was nice to his friends. But Jobs was a man with many personalities and he clearly was not a saint. I wouldnt be surprised if he treated 90% of the people he met badly

I don’t even think you need to go all that far. Tim Cook worked with Steve Jobs for a long time and it hasn’t been all that long since he passed away. Imagine that some crooked businessmen were trying to do that to one of your good friends for their own benefit.

I can completely understand that Cook would find it opportunistic for Hollywood to make one film after another because they know that it is something people will want to see and that gives them praise and money. That’s what makes it opportunistic and it’s clear from Sorkin’s reaction that he doesn’t like being called out for what he is. Not everyone is charmed by the prospect of being portrayed, be it a book or a Hollywood film. To some it is even an insult. Nobody can ask Jobs anymore either and I wonder whether anyone has actually considered the family as well. I find it a bit cruel, to be honest.
 
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