Adobe Acknowledges That Apple's Flash Prohibition Could Harm Business

[puffnstuff]

Ummm. You do realize the apps for the iPad use HTML5 right ?

no native apps use objective-c

 

[Scottsdale]

Some of you people really make me sick. Adobe is a huge honest company that employs thousands of people all over the world. Sure maybe they make mistakes and make some pretty bad software but they have never tried to dupe anybody or steal money from anybody. Some of you talk about Adobe as if they were Enron just because you happen to not like one of their products. Grow up.

Some of you would rather have the economy dive into another recession with the amount of people that could be laid off if Adobe went under. I'm not just talking Adobe employs but the ripple effect it will have in the entire design industry. There are tens of thousands of Flash designers alone that will be out of a job. Not to mention the amount of local jobs around Adobe that the current Adobe employs use every day such as food and gas.

Instead of shooting off your mouths think about what you are wishing for and hope Karma doesn't deliver the same right back you.

How sick and twisted are some of you to want to see that many people loose their jobs just so you can get your rocks off on a BS company feud?

I thought Apple users were supposed to be so liberal and open minded. Wishing the loss of well over 100,00 jobs doesn't sound very open minded to me. If you don't like Adobe you don't have to use them. Nobody forces anybody to use Adobe software. It's not like it is an OS or anything that you have to use.

I love Apple computers but I'm getting so sick and tired of all the hatred in the world. PC forums have morons bashing Apple and Mac forums have morons bashing PC and pretty much everybody else. Whatever happened to people just enjoying the tools they have and not being bothered with the tools they have no need for. How they heck did computers become like Politics where the masses become polarized?

You are correct. Most of these people are such Apple fanbois that they don't even know the truth. Everything Jobs tells them is like God is saying it... and that's the sickest part of this whole issue.

 

[Ca$hflow]

Good. Flash may be good for crappy games that entertain eighth graders, but Flash has absolutely no use playing videos on the Internet. It kills battery and is extremely buggy. Good riddance.

I agree. When my wife plays a flash game on the internet like farmville, My laptop fans go bananas and my battery drops from the regular 5-6 I get to 1.5-2hrs. I really dislike flash when it comes to mobile devices. If everyone lived on a desktop then that would be one thing. Makes you really think how much more of a load adobe puts on the electrical grid system. Really!

 

[RubbishBBspeed]

If I were Adobe I'd announce that CS5 will be the last Mac release. I'm betting Apple might be persuaded to change the stance on Flash.

Personally I think Flash blows on any platform, but Apple's stance on this seems extreme at times.

Good point, certainly with the way Apple are heading with most things being delivered to market with some kind of glitch, we could see the days of Apple falling by the way side.

They seem to be targeting young consumers and an early adopters market. Which by it's nature has little or no loyalty. Have a series of bad product releases and it could be Apple's downfall.

 

[fat phil]

Ummm. You do realize the apps for the iPad use HTML5 right ?

no native apps use objective-c

Tell that to iAds

 

[Scottsdale]

There's no cure for cancer either, but you know, people get on with their lives; they live with it and work around it.

Without really wanting to be an ass about it (and I can be one sometimes), it's not up to Apple or Steve Jobs or provide for everyone. When you get up in the morning, you don't plan out a list of impossible tasks to complete for the day: You plan to do the best you can in the time you have with the resources available. You try to do any more than that, and it ends up going wrong, or half-cocked. I'm pretty sure that's called common sense.

Everyone blames Apple. Have you thought to blame Adobe? Have you? Because they're no bleeding angels.

Edit: Even more...

Look, iPhone doesn't have Flash... it didn't have it two years ago. I knew that, everyone knew that. Are we all dead? Poorer? Flash-starved zombies? No, otherwise we wouldn't be hear talking about it. Maybe zombies have it easier...

I have CANCER, jerk. Piss off with your worthless comments. How dare you compare Flash and Adobe to Cancer. You make me sick. You should be banned from this site... what a jerk!

 

[bdkennedy1]

Well if it makes you sick, maybe your life would be better without reading the news.

Jobs didn't just wake up one day and say "I think I'm going to kill Flash today". He is just reiterating what customers have been complaining about for years. The issue was only brought to the attention of the media when Jobs said something about it.

You are correct. Most of these people are such Apple fanbois that they don't even know the truth. Everything Jobs tells them is like God is saying it... and that's the sickest part of this whole issue.

 

[Scottsdale]

All I see here are fanatical apple fans pissing on flash. Are you people stupid?

Flash is a thousand times more robust then html 5... It's no where near being able to take over the role of flash yet. Maybe in 6-10 years. But not even close right now. Have you even tried youtube's html video? It was garbage. I switched back immediately.

Yet here you all are, bad mouthing flash because it uses more cpu then a native solution. You do realize that it accomplishes more than any native solution can provide right? You don't want it? Don't install it. Yet, there it is, with an >90% penetration rate. Seems most people want it huh?

I don't know what kind of computers you guys are using, but on my core2duo, I have no problem running 1080 video in flash. I have no problem viewing full flash websites with video and animations. I don't care if my cpu usage goes up 30%. It's supposed to be used. And flash has a huge developer base. Of course there are poorly coded flash sites, why do you think firefox just announced that plugins will fail without crashing the whole browser? Also webkit announced the same thing. It's not like it's hard to close a window.

Apple just spit in the face of open development, again. Do you honestly believe that even the complex apps recompiled in flash CS5 for the iphone wouldn't run well? Have you never downloaded an app from the app store that didn't run well? I sure have. Some never even open. You know what I do, I delete them. It's MY choice.

Not to mention, I've seen, and used apps created in flash, and converted for the iphone. They worked fine.. I don't understand this move at all. Apple has always hindered flash on the mac. And now it's gone above and beyond.

I know flash in an old technology, but for apple to choose for their customers, and then block out adobe in any way, is both childish and tyrannical. Not to mention the fact that they announce this days before CS5 launches?! WTF.. are they trying to attack adobe? This is ridiculous.

I thought the big idea here was to allow creators to easily make their content for as many systems as possible. And share it widely and freely. But apple seems to think differently.

Nice post!!!

 

[*LTD*]

I know flash in an old technology, but for apple to choose for their customers, and then block out adobe in any way, is both childish and tyrannical.

Customers don't seem to care nearly as much as you think. Video is video. Apparently Apple is the one serving up the tools for it now. Fine by me. Why worry about it?

 

[Peace]

Some of you people really make me sick. Adobe is a huge honest company that employs thousands of people all over the world. Sure maybe they make mistakes and make some pretty bad software but they have never tried to dupe anybody or steal money from anybody. Some of you talk about Adobe as if they were Enron just because you happen to not like one of their products. Grow up.

Some of you would rather have the economy dive into another recession with the amount of people that could be laid off if Adobe went under. I'm not just talking Adobe employs but the ripple effect it will have in the entire design industry. There are tens of thousands of Flash designers alone that will be out of a job. Not to mention the amount of local jobs around Adobe that the current Adobe employs use every day such as food and gas.

Instead of shooting off your mouths think about what you are wishing for and hope Karma doesn't deliver the same right back you.

How sick and twisted are some of you to want to see that many people loose their jobs just so you can get your rocks off on a BS company feud?

I thought Apple users were supposed to be so liberal and open minded. Wishing the loss of well over 100,00 jobs doesn't sound very open minded to me. If you don't like Adobe you don't have to use them. Nobody forces anybody to use Adobe software. It's not like it is an OS or anything that you have to use.

I love Apple computers but I'm getting so sick and tired of all the hatred in the world. PC forums have morons bashing Apple and Mac forums have morons bashing PC and pretty much everybody else. Whatever happened to people just enjoying the tools they have and not being bothered with the tools they have no need for. How they heck did computers become like Politics where the masses become polarized?

So. Are we supposed to be guilt ridden into supporting old technology because it's bad for the economy ? You do realize these flash developers could try to learn newer technology if they wish to keep their jobs. Or are we to just keep supporting old flash technology forever ?

 

[FieryFurnace]

All I want to say to this whole thing is:

I somehow hope that Adobe won't release CS6 for MacOS, so all designers who use CS have to switch to Windows - and that is a whole lot.
Then Apple finally knows how important Adobe is for them, so Apple finally stop playing silly games with Adobe.

 

[Speedtoy]

They seem to be targeting young consumers and an early adopters market. Which by it's nature has little or no loyalty. Have a series of bad product releases and it could be Apple's downfall.

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Assuming you studied marketing, did you fail it too?

Adopters and young'ins is where dynasties are made.


Take two examples..Toyota and Honda in the 70s...TOTAL cradle to grave product loyalty.

And those are not the only examples.

 

[Ed91]

So because someone developed a crap application, flash should die? Brilliant...

On Windows the application was sound. The problem was either with the mac Flash client, or the app itself causing Flash to crash. This problem could have been completely averted by not using Flash. Brilliant indeed.

 

[fat phil]

I have CANCER, jerk. Piss off with your worthless comments. How dare you compare Flash and Adobe to Cancer. You make me sick. You should be banned from this site... what a jerk!

If that's true then I apologise, sincerely, for any offence.

However I wasn't comparing Flash and Adobe to cancer.

 

[richardtengcy]

All I want to say to this whole thing is:

I somehow hope that Adobe won't release CS6 for MacOS, so all designers who use CS have to switch to Windows - and that is a whole lot.
Then Apple finally knows how important Adobe is for them, so Apple finally stop playing silly games with Adobe.

I don`t think its a major problem for Mac user since they can still run Windows on it.

 

[Stella]

Are you really being so foolish, as to suggest that Apple doesnt allow anyone else to sell music?

Theres no stranglehold there, there are hundreds of choices.


Where the heck do get this 'stranglehold' stuff from?


MAYBE..Apple just does it...better? Ya think? MAYBE...?

I'll buy my music from the store that offers the lowest price. If iTunes isn't the lowest price, then it isn't better IMO. I can copy the music to iTunes.

And don't put words into my mouth. thank you.

 

[Scottsdale]

If that's true then I apologise, sincerely, for any offence.

However I wasn't comparing Flash and Adobe to cancer.

It is 100% true. I have been battling Cancer for more than two years. It truly is offensive that someone would compare any of this BS to Cancer. You sir, have NO CLUE what Cancer is until you have experienced it. And none of this BS is anything compared to Cancer.

 

[WilliamLondon]

The only complaint on flash is cpu usage, other than that it's great!

I wouldn't say that it's great. I worked for a web design company, and Flash was the poor man's solution to website development. There are lots of reasons it's not good (a quick Google search will explain), and many companies started with Flash and then had a difficult (and expensive) time breaking out of that stranglehold, but once they did they were much happier.

The thing we need to ask ourselves, is who owns the web? If a particular company owns the format (.SWF) of what drives much of website development, why is that a good thing for us? I think the more the web and everything that is put on it is open is better for all of us, and if Adobe suffers as a result, so be it, my CPU will be happier!

 

[dsnort]

Why is it Flash can use 70%+ less CPU on my same Mac in Windows 7 vs. OS X Snow Leopard?

I actually answered this question for you a few posts up. Did you not read it, or are you just ignoring facts that don't fit your argument?

 

[FieryFurnace]

I don`t think its a major problem for Mac user since they can still run Windows on it.

Why buy a Mac, when you only run Windows on them anyways.

 

[pyroza]

Flash never crashes Firefox for me... if you're having issues with Safari and Flash, why not try a different browser?

 

[Maserati7200]

No, actually, it tells me that, despite being a multi-billion dollar company, Adobe can't be bothered to hire a few decent Mac programmers.

Thank you. If they just fixed flash, a lot of this wouldn't be happening.

That is NONSENSE! You can run Flash better on Windows on your same Mac computer because Apple will not let Adobe have API access to use the same tools that html5 uses. You are poorly informed to believe this is Adobe's fault. Adobe has begged publicly to work with Apple, but Jobs cannot stand them so it doesn't matter what's best for the end user.

I don't know if you are aware, but the API's adobe wants to use are not available to any 3rd party developer. Why should Adobe get special treatment? Apple has plenty of API's available for Adobe to use that would help them, such as Core Animation and Core video. But they choose not to optimize for the Mac, and instead make it a port of the windows version. And why are they just starting now to try and fix it? Is it because Apple is trying to get rid of it and it might succeed? Yes. But they didn't care the last 10+ years when flash has been crap (ok fine, it was only owned by adobe since 2005, so 5 years, so still a long time)? They knew flash was a staple on the internet and no good alternatives existed yet, so why bother making good for silly ol' Mac user, whose only a minority market share anyway? Now that the HTML5 standard is here, and Apple is pushing people to move towards it, they're getting worried, because Flash is losing its importance, and losing market share. Thats why they want to fix it now. Well you know what, it's too late now. We (by we, I mean Mac users running OSX) suffered the past 10+ years and they had 5 years to fix it and they didn't. Shame really, because if flash actually worked properly in the first place, none of this would be happening.

 

[WilliamLondon]

I could see Adobe, Google, and Microsoft partnering at some point

That will *never* happen. Google and Microsoft are *mortal* enemies at this point.

 

[Ochyandkaren]

Oh, totally impartial!

Nice post!!!

Where is your mouth @, Adobe's pocket?

Adobe should protect its revenues, is it doing it properly (we are talking about mobile OS not desktops)?

Why should  care about Adobe, it looks like Adobe doesn't care about Mac users.
And why  should care about your or my need (it just happens i do not develop for Flash)

It is simple.
Fight for your Biz, be flexible, because Adobe fights for its not yours as  does for its only.

 

[Scottsdale]

I actually answered this question for you a few posts up. Did you not read it, or are you just ignoring facts that don't fit your argument?

No, quite honestly, I am only responding to people that respond to my posts. Sorry if I missed it. Will look for it, but I am leaving for a lunch meeting now. Definitely didn't try to miss any facts nor even opinions about this issue... I love debate, and I love to take either side of an argument, so I am filling up on the PRO Apple side of the debate too. Cheers.