Adobe Announces 2015 Creative Cloud Updates, New Integrated Adobe Stock Service

[chaosbunny]

Every time an Adobe article hits, the anti-subscription people start in on them. Look, I get it – you want to own your software. But don't knock it until you try it. The CC apps are fantastic, and the subscription pricing really helps me budget my software updates. Plus, they keep adding features and providing bug fixes more frequently than ever before. In the 20+ years that I've been using Adobe apps, I have never been a more satisfied customer.

I tried CC for one month last fall, they even took away some useful features. Where is the export option in bridge and why can't I make the palettes in my application frame smaller than a certain size?

What I don't get is why they can't offer packages similar to the design standard, design premium, web standard, web premium, production standard, etc. collections they offered before the subscription model. Who uses all of the Adobe apps? I just need Acrobat, Illustrator, InDesign and Photoshop. I used to buy the design standard collection update for € 500,- every 2 years, now it' € 720,- every year. That's almost 3 times as much! I don't need or want 20 gb cloud space, I don't even have an iPad for their iPad apps and I prefer Final Cut for editing videos. Give me a € 20-30,-/month design standard subscription and I'll stop complaining.

 

[codiac2600]

Sadly the dehaze feature IS NOT part of this update. Photoshop CC 2015 new features

I installed the updates and neither program has dehaze so I'm guessing adobe's press release was wrong.

*edit* Odd. Photoshop updated but camera raw is still 9.0 for me as I just found that camera raw release notes show dehaze for 9.1 but mine has yet to update. Delayed perhaps?

 

[Brandhouse]

You've lost me too, Adobe. Never going back!

There are ways around.

 

[Dekema2]

Why do companies only care about maintaining large streams of revenue, be it Adobe or even Apple? I would rather suffer from planned obsolescence than the stupid subscription model where making payments for a product through 12+ months would've allowed me to buy it outright a few years ago.

If I ran a smaller business with a similar strategy I don't know if it would go over well. Only Spotify seems to have this done right if you get enough out of it

 

[Itzamna]

From what I can see, CC 2015 is really just CS6.5, nearly nothing has been vastly redesigned since CS6.

uh? I work with Photoshop and Illustrator for years and years, and there is lots of under and over the hood changes on them since CS6. LOTS! And lots of them aim to help and streamline our work.

That you don't want to subscribe, thats fine, but don't excuse that with false statements.

 

[Itzamna]

Your math is wrong, but that's pretty common among people who defend Adobes business model. Adobe CC is € 60,-/month which means € 720,-/year. Yes, I'd rather spend € 500,- every other year than € 720,- every year.

You are comparing 2 different products... And that makes your assumption wrong.

Adobe CC is 60€ but has all Adobe products which would cost around 2500€ if bought.
Photoshop plan (photography plan with Photoshop and Lightroom - which was what the other guy was talking) is 10€ a month or 24€ if you want Photoshop plus the CC stuff. Which makes 120€ a year or 288€.
If you want lets say Photoshop and Illustrator you can get the Photography plan plus a single app plan, which would cost around 34€. (408€/year)

 

[LethalWolfe]

Why do companies only care about maintaining large streams of revenue, be it Adobe or even Apple?

Stock price and Wall Street.

Only Spotify seems to have this done right if you get enough out of it

Spotify's current business model isn't sustainable for itself or for musicians.

 

[Itzamna]

Not that I'm arguing against it (I've actually been really happy with my CC subscription), but how in the world are you paying just $120 per year?

Photography plan. Photoshop plus Lightroom and Lightroom Mobile for 10€ plus vat each month.

 

[AppleNewton]

The CC subscription is interesting..it sometimes makes sense and others not. but its continuous upgrades, so you're not stuck with their previous model of $XYZ for CS5, $XYZ for CS5.5, then $XYZ for CS6 - its less than 200$ a year for the full suite - you can get educational, government, and work related discounts depending on your area. If you're using this professionally to make money, than its pretty economical - that and it allows people to get a full grasp on the product suite without committing - don't like it after a few months, you only spent $20~

I think they'll adjust accordingly but they're also competing with the idea of everything should be free in the app stores so its definitely a tough market for them and so far they're the only software of choice i trust with creating professional grade material.

 

[reden]

I'm glad I'm a paying customer, and to me and my business it makes more sense to have a monthly subscription. Constant updates and don't have to worry on dropping hundreds or thousands like before. Good job Adobe.

 

[Westside guy]

This is Creative Cloud... what's the deal with announcing a "2015 update"? Wasn't the whole point that CC was supposed to be continuously being changed and updated?

No, it's all about getting everyone to pay them monthly - and now they've basically released CS7. But our department is perfectly happy with CS6, and we're standing pat.

 

[chaosbunny]

You are comparing 2 different products... And that makes your assumption wrong.

Adobe CC is 60€ but has all Adobe products which would cost around 2500€ if bought.
Photoshop plan (photography plan with Photoshop and Lightroom - which was what the other guy was talking) is 10€ a month or 24€ if you want Photoshop plus the CC stuff. Which makes 120€ a year or 288€.
If you want lets say Photoshop and Illustrator you can get the Photography plan plus a single app plan, which would cost around 34€. (408€/year)

My assumption is perfectly fine. Read my other post. I'm comparing € 720,-/year vs. € 500,- every 2 years for the updates of the previous design standard collection. Again to get Acrobat Pro, Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign I had to pay € 500,- every 2 years, now I'd have to pay € 720 every year. That's almost 3 times as much! I don't have an iPad and I'm not interested in cloud storage and I prefer Final Cut to edit videos.

If you go to the supermarket and buy food for € 30,- do you always buy additional food for € 60,- that you don't eat?

 

[chaosbunny]

I'm glad I'm a paying customer, and to me and my business it makes more sense to have a monthly subscription. Constant updates and don't have to worry on dropping hundreds or thousands like before. Good job Adobe.

Don't worry, you are constantly dropping thousands ... with subscriptions you are always paying more in the end. If this trend continues you'll soon have to pay € 100-200,- to use the computer you bought. But some people will even find apologies for that.

 

[theanorak]

This is Creative Cloud... what's the deal with announcing a "2015 update"? Wasn't the whole point that CC was supposed to be continuously being changed and updated?

To be fair, there are intermittent updates from time to time that add new features on an app by app basis, as you might expect, but there's value to us users in being able to see a slate of changes, and have some control over versions etc. of course, it makes for better marketing if you can announce a whole bunch of stuff together too, but there are benefits to this approach for Adobe users.

The thing I'd like to see them do is handle these major updates a little more elegantly. The last couple have installed alongside the previous versions, which makes *some* sense, but which I've ultimately found more hindrance than help. A better option would be to give me the option up front of replacing old versions or installing alongside. I manage the timing of my updates such that I'm not in the middle of anything major/with an imminent deadline; if there's a show stopping compatibility issue or bug, I can reinstall the previous version. That for me would be preferable to running the updates, then having to go and manually remove old app versions.

 

[cookiemonster89]

Yes Lightroom 6.1 doesn't come with the dehaze tool, but there is a workaround. If you have a preset that applies the dehaze effect it will be renderd in Lightroom 6.1 because it uses the same camera raw than Lightroom CC.
At http://prolost.com/blog/dehaze you can get some presets for a wide range of the slider and in the near future there will be someone who also do all 201 possibilities in a preset pack so you can also use this feature completly in 6.1 and above ;-)

Maybe there is also a way to edit some Lightroom files to activte these sliders in the normal version.

 

[LethalWolfe]

This is Creative Cloud... what's the deal with announcing a "2015 update"? Wasn't the whole point that CC was supposed to be continuously being changed and updated?

Milestones happen annually, smaller feature upgrades happen throughout the year. Users can upgrade as they like. It's not like Google Docs where changes are pushed to the users.

A better option would be to give me the option up front of replacing old versions or installing alongside. I manage the timing of my updates such that I'm not in the middle of anything major/with an imminent deadline; if there's a show stopping compatibility issue or bug, I can reinstall the previous version. That for me would be preferable to running the updates, then having to go and manually remove old app versions.

That has changed in CC2015. The default action is now to uninstall previous versions of the apps. If you want to install side by side you can change the setting in the CC app.

 

[Itzamna]

My assumption is perfectly fine. Read my other post. I'm comparing € 720,-/year vs. € 500,- every 2 years for the updates of the previous design standard collection. Again to get Acrobat Pro, Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign I had to pay € 500,- every 2 years, now I'd have to pay € 720 every year. That's almost 3 times as much! I don't have an iPad and I'm not interested in cloud storage and I prefer Final Cut to edit videos.

If you go to the supermarket and buy food for € 30,- do you always buy additional food for € 60,- that you don't eat?

Nope... Your assumption is still wrong because you quoted a guy that specifically spoken of the Photography plan and then you inflated it to the full suite plan just so you could bash the subscription model. The photographic plan costs you 120$ a year, the single Photoshop app would cost around 500$, so there it's a win situation on subscription. That's what the initial conversation was about.

 

[Itzamna]

My assumption is perfectly fine. Read my other post. I'm comparing € 720,-/year vs. € 500,- every 2 years for the updates of the previous design standard collection. Again to get Acrobat Pro, Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign I had to pay € 500,- every 2 years, now I'd have to pay € 720 every year. That's almost 3 times as much! I don't have an iPad and I'm not interested in cloud storage and I prefer Final Cut to edit videos.

If you go to the supermarket and buy food for € 30,- do you always buy additional food for € 60,- that you don't eat?

And another thing, your prices of CS6 are wrong.

Photoshop alone costs 699$... Illustrator 599$... Indesign 699$... The cheapest suite 1299$... The design suite 1899$... Sure you can get the update prices but you have take into account the initial massive prices and not just the update prices. Plus if you wanted to keep updated there would be times that you would update every year. And if you skipped a update number from CS4 to CS6 for example you would have to pay full price.


Just a quick example. If you bought the design suite CS4 and updated it until CS6 and assuming a flat 500$ for each update:

1899$ plus 3x500$ (CS5, CS5.5, CS6) = 3399$ in 4 years

Thats 849$ per year or 70.8$ per month.

http://www.adobe.com/products/catal...sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_creativesuite6.html

 

[inkswamp]

So glad to see I'm not the only one completely disgusted with Adobe.

Every time I think Adobe has managed to become the suckiest software company on the planet, they manage to outdo themselves yet again. CC is just one cluster@#$% after another. What a joke of a company--perfect example of greed infecting a business to the point where they don't really care anymore. I really hope some other software company sees the gaping opportunity sitting there and comes in to gut this fat, clueless slug of a company. Adobe needs to be stomped into the ground and scattered to the wind.

 

[inkswamp]

Every time an Adobe article hits, the anti-subscription people start in on them. Look, I get it – you want to own your software. But don't knock it until you try it. The CC apps are fantastic, and the subscription pricing really helps me budget my software updates. Plus, they keep adding features and providing bug fixes more frequently than ever before. In the 20+ years that I've been using Adobe apps, I have never been a more satisfied customer.

You have to be kidding!

I've tried CC (my employer was forced into Adobe's outrageously expensive subscription model recently) and it quite simply blows chunks. Adobe is making decisions based on greed nowadays. They just don't care about their customers. I'm glad it works for you, but I can assure you, business customers are NOT happy with Adobe.

 

[bobbydaz]

Anyone that uses CC for business use should stop moaning about the subscription charges. It's part of the cost of running your business, stop being so tight. Along with accountancy fees, tax, office rent etc you just have to swallow it every year. Home users are a different issue though. For me with a studio of 5 it just makes life so much easier upgrading and keeping everyone up to date.

 

[bobbydaz]

Anyone that uses CC for business use should stop moaning about the subscription charges. It's part of the cost of running your business, stop being so tight. Along with accountancy fees, tax, office rent etc you just have to swallow it every year. Home users are a different issue though. For me with a studio of 5 it just makes life so much easier upgrading and keeping everyone up to date.

 

[inkswamp]

Anyone that uses CC for business use should stop moaning about the subscription charges. It's part of the cost of running your business, stop being so tight.

You really have no idea what you're talking about nor do you have any idea how irate a lot of businesses are with Adobe's greed lately. Businesses are not run by idiots. They know cheaper options exist and will start to seek them out. Adobe is getting an easy ride because they're perceived as the only game in town but that's not the truth. They're tarnishing their image for short-term gain with big businesses, i.e., those who spend the most money on Adobe's products. I can assure you, Adobe has made a very poor decision with the move to a more expensive subscription model.

 

[Itzamna]

You have to be kidding!

I've tried CC (my employer was forced into Adobe's outrageously expensive subscription model recently) and it quite simply blows chunks. Adobe is making decisions based on greed nowadays. They just don't care about their customers. I'm glad it works for you, but I can assure you, business customers are NOT happy with Adobe.

Care to explain in more detail why it blow chunks?

 

[Gwendolini]

Sadly the dehaze feature IS NOT part of this update. Photoshop CC 2015 new features

I installed the updates and neither program has dehaze so I'm guessing adobe's press release was wrong.

*edit* Odd. Photoshop updated but camera raw is still 9.0 for me as I just found that camera raw release notes show dehaze for 9.1 but mine has yet to update. Delayed perhaps?

Log out of your OS X account, log back in, CC will tell you of new updates again, especially for LR, do them and then Dehaze is there in LR.