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Quark Express ?
I also know that Serif is coming up with Affinity Publisher, a direct competitor to InDesign , but it won't be released until early 2016. If it's anywhere as good as Designer and Photo, it smells trouble for Adobe.

Thanks for the heads up! Really hope they'll keep up as serious competion is what Adobe needs mostly.

QuarkExpress I did look at before but since I use InDesign only every other month wasn't a key argument. Anyway, good to know; thanks again.
 
Adobe dropped support for OS X v10.7, v10.8. Minimum is v10.9.

Illustrator needs GPU with minimum 512 MB ram (2GB recommended) that supports openGL 4 in order to gain speed improvements.

Premiere Pro supports these GPU's for openCL:
  • AMD FirePro D300
  • AMD FirePro D500
  • AMD FirePro D700
  • GeForce GT 650M
  • GeForce GT 750M
  • GeForce GT 755M
  • GeForce GTX 675MX
  • GeForce GTX 680
  • GeForce GTX 680MX
  • GeForce GTX 775M
  • GeForce GTX 780M
  • Quadro K5000
  • Intel Iris Graphics 5100
  • Intel Iris Pro Graphics 5200
Mac CUDA:
  • GeForce GTX 675MX
  • GeForce GTX 680
  • GeForce GTX 680MX
  • GeForce GT 750M
  • GeForce GT 755M
  • GeForce GTX 775M
  • GeForce GTX 780M
  • Quadro K5000
After Effects ray-traced 3D renderer supported GPU's:
  • GeForce GTX 285
  • GeForce GTX 675MX
  • GeForce GTX 680
  • GeForce GTX 680MX
  • GeForce GT 650M
  • Quadro CX
  • Quadro FX 4800
  • Quadro 4000
  • Quadro K5000
 
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I'm not a fan of the subscription model, but by the same token, spending 500+ bucks is not something that I could keep doing.
 
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You really have no idea what you're talking about nor do you have any idea how irate a lot of businesses are with Adobe's greed lately. Businesses are not run by idiots. They know cheaper options exist and will start to seek them out. Adobe is getting an easy ride because they're perceived as the only game in town but that's not the truth. They're tarnishing their image for short-term gain with big businesses, i.e., those who spend the most money on Adobe's products. I can assure you, Adobe has made a very poor decision with the move to a more expensive subscription model.

and what makes you the great expert? I've been in print and design for over 20 years and can tell you that not many design companies will switch from Adobe to a cheaper alternative. Whether you like it or not it's the industry standard for professionals. Sure some businesses don't like it, but subscription software is the future, get used to it. It's a tool you need to get the job done, until someone comes along with a better all-round intergrated solution, that's the way it will stay.
 
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Thanks for the heads up! Really hope they'll keep up as serious competion is what Adobe needs mostly.

QuarkExpress I did look at before but since I use InDesign only every other month wasn't a key argument. Anyway, good to know; thanks again.

Tried Affinity Designer, good for the price but clunky (2 step colour picker is infuriating) and can't do some really basic things yet like knockout groups. Plus it's not cross platform so that's a no-no for me.
 
What happens when your computer isn't able to run the latest version? You have to buy a new computer. I can see this becoming a problem a few years down the line.


You are not forced to update. If this version is the last your computer support then stop updating.

Also you can run multiple versions of any CC program.
 
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How come my Photoshop CC2014 is brazenly quick whereas my InDesign is painfully slow at scrolling, importing, moving text, images... heck opening and doing anything? I've never used a good version of InDesign ever. Several different Macs and versions.
 
illustrator 10X faster!? wow Adobe rocks!
No metal.


*laughter*

So you expect metal support before Apple releases the new OS.

If that were to happen, I'd be more impressed that Adobe discovered time travel !
 
And another thing, your prices of CS6 are wrong.

Photoshop alone costs 699$... Illustrator 599$... Indesign 699$... The cheapest suite 1299$... The design suite 1899$... Sure you can get the update prices but you have take into account the initial massive prices and not just the update prices. Plus if you wanted to keep updated there would be times that you would update every year. And if you skipped a update number from CS4 to CS6 for example you would have to pay full price.


Just a quick example. If you bought the design suite CS4 and updated it until CS6 and assuming a flat 500$ for each update:

1899$ plus 3x500$ (CS5, CS5.5, CS6) = 3399$ in 4 years

Thats 849$ per year or 70.8$ per month.

http://www.adobe.com/products/catal...sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_creativesuite6.html

Few people bought CS5, then 5.5 and then 6. With the old model everybody only bought the upgrade every 2-3 versions. And I'm not going to retire after 4 years. Do the math for 5, 7 or 10 years. I bought CS2 design standard for around 1500 if I remember correctly and then CS3, CS5 and CS6. So that's 3500 for 10 years. That's 29,17 per month. And now I already have that design standard collection, so this would only get cheaper over time.

Again, I bought the upgrade of the design standard collection every two years for € 500,-. Now I would have to pay € 1440,- in the same 2 years. 500/24 = € 20,84 per month.

That is my exact situation. Maybe yours is different. But in my situation I'd have to pay 3 times more with the subscription. You will not convince me that 1440 is less than 500, sorry.
 
Do you guys really think that this programs make any dent on Adobe? For the better or the worse, there is no competition.

If you work in print all major printing companies will either work with Adobe or Corel. Same goes for your competition and/or collaborations. If you work on web and you do collaboration with other companies or other designers most of the times you will be swapping psd or ia files.
 
Tried Affinity Designer, good for the price but clunky (2 step colour picker is infuriating) and can't do some really basic things yet like knockout groups. Plus it's not cross platform so that's a no-no for me.

If it's a success on Mac (and Adobe enforces the "subscription suite") I guess cross-platform is just a matter of time. How long that'll be, no idea. Rhino took forever to go cross-plat and is still missing funciotns now in the mac-release.

But yea, same here. no-no atm.

I'm mostly worried about me not being able to open files anymore which is a major fear of mine (did happen before with other programs > lost forever) and that you get caught in an update cycle (update hardware to update software etc. pp) you're not necessarily interested in as well.
 
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You are comparing 2 different products... And that makes your assumption wrong.

Adobe CC is 60€ but has all Adobe products which would cost around 2500€ if bought.
Photoshop plan (photography plan with Photoshop and Lightroom - which was what the other guy was talking) is 10€ a month or 24€ if you want Photoshop plus the CC stuff. Which makes 120€ a year or 288€.
If you want lets say Photoshop and Illustrator you can get the Photography plan plus a single app plan, which would cost around 34€. (408€/year)
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Nope... Your assumption is still wrong because you quoted a guy that specifically spoken of the Photography plan and then you inflated it to the full suite plan just so you could bash the subscription model. The photographic plan costs you 120$ a year, the single Photoshop app would cost around 500$, so there it's a win situation on subscription. That's what the initial conversation was about.

After 5 years the subscription adds up to 600,-. Face it, with subscription you always end up paying more. Yes you can get updates with the subscription, but who says these updates are worth it?
 
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That is my exact situation. Maybe yours is different. But in my situation I'd have to pay 3 times more with the subscription. You will not convince me that 1440 is less than 500, sorry.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I was just saying that the other
Guy math was correct and your was flawed because it would only apply to a situation similar to your situation and you dint include the initial brutal cost. The fact is that Photoshop costs 120$ a year now. And that's less expensive than what it was before if you kept it updated.
 
I pay just over €30 per month for my full CC sub - (teachers/education discount).
Because they've taken what was once a simple software install and turned it into a convoluted system where you have to log in and run/install everything from a completely pointless control panel. The pricing is ridiculously expensive and needlessly complicated. The UI in their software is a disaster. Tying the use of software to a specific user is an unwelcome change in a business environment. I could go on and on and write many paragraphs on how their "upgrades" to the software are nothing of the sort (I mean, WTF happened to Acrobat anyway?! It's become a complete joke.)

It's greed, plain and simple. That's what motivates Adobe nowadays.

If the very simple install procedure is too complicated for people, I doubt they need the professional software in CC. Maybe they should go back to MS Paint!



$600 a year for software I use everyday. That's less than my day rate.

Yep. For me it works out at €370 per year for my CC sub. As it's my main daily use software for my business - how could anyone complain at around €1 a day.


Loathe the CC (only) system - but have to admit that I threw in the towell and subscribed.

I guess the PS+LR for 12 bucks a month is somewhat a nice deal. But if you need 3-4 programs there is no way around paying top dollar for all these programs I'll never use. So that's a huge bummer. Not sure what I'll do if they'd raise prices in a year.

You could look at educational pricing - it's around half the price per month ;) If your not doing some form of education/training yourself - if you have a relative who is a student or a teacher you can avail through them.
 
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The photoshop plan is indeed "ok". But as soon as you need 3 programs you have to rent 'em all. Even Adobe Acrobat counts for that..

Nobody I know of bought every single update. Most waited for at least 3-4 years minimum since it was an extremely solid product in itself and only few really helpful tools were introduced each itteration (if at all).

But this ship/discussion sailed a long time ago. The only reason why Adobe could pull this stunt was their de facto monopoly. Now you have people holding onto CS4, 5, 6 and those with CC and it can still end in the same "dilemma" when exchanging files.
 
You could look at educational pricing - it's around half the price per month ;) If your not doing some form of education/training yourself - if you have a relative who is a student or a teacher you can avail through them.

Yea, not a really solid solution. ;) Could download torrents for CS6 as well probably ;)

But yep, probably becoming a teacher at university later this year so that may decrease the price for the time coming, although I have no idea how that works when you become one once you already subscribed..

Still, my focal point is the issue of how I can access my own property (created content) in say 5, 10, 15, 30 years. You know, things that are utterly important if you don't just create 'fast-food' content. :D
 
Photoshop CS6 and Affinity Designer works very well for me, and they will work as long I want it to without paying for these two.
 
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