Adobe Announces Creative Suite 5 including Photoshop CS5 and Flash Catalyst CS5

[JackAxe]

I'm sorry but you're telling somebody to get a cooling unit to play flash. Do you know how rediculous that sounds?

Once agin no... Try reading the other part of my post now! I'm starting to think that you're rediculous.

Oh Macromedia, people miss you so.

They do? Really? Well, I say hi, since in your crazy world they are still a company, they know me, I know them, and you're still talking to them about me.

Like I said, I only use dreamweaver so I don't need to keep on going back and reminding myself of some workaround.

Wait, can you do HTML by hand?


HTML5 does have some sections which are 'frozen'. IE, that spec has been finalized.

If it's important enough, Adobe will make sure it's included or added to DCS5. But this is HTML we're talking about.


I own the Web Design premium CS4 and ponied up the $1k NZD for an educational licence.

Cool deal. It's worth the expense IMO. I've been giving them money every other year since the mid-nineties and it has always paid off.


You asked where I got them from.

Yep, and what I replied was in response to what you had stated prior about the agreeing part.

Anyways, it's 4:30 am where I live. I should be in bed.

 

[Truffy]

What's the betting that they're even more atrocious outside US/Canada?

Design Standard upgrade (without tax): $500 in USA; £357 ($550) in UK; CHF966 ($911) in Switzerland!

 

[iEdd]

So, let me get this straight. Is it Flash's and HTML5's fault?????
It is weird because my W7 computer "just works".

If something works is due to Apple's great quality. If something doesn't work, it is the crappy Flash, HTML5....etc. I am happy I finally got it

Good, you are happy with W7. I'm sure you'd have no need to come over to a Mac forum and let us know how much cheaper and better Windows is. FYI, flash "just works" on mac too. It just doesn't work well. (On ANY platform. Like trying to argue that Python is more efficient than Objective-C.)

I'll summarise the post of mine you quoted, hopefully you will understand it:
• Flash is a resource hog. It uses a lot more CPU and hence battery life than the alternatives.
• Youtube HTML5 is one such alternative, but in Beta.
• I have had problems with the beta of HTML5 in youtube. When it's fixed it will be good because HTML5 is a lot more efficient than flash.

 

[mBox]

As a heavy After Effects user, this (64 bit cocoa) is the most significant release in a long, long time!

finally all that ram im "not" using will be utilized

 

[Reach]

Price for getting the DVD's:

358$!!! (In norway, upgrade to CS5 Design Premium)

What the hell..

Ship the box to me: "1.800$"
Download: "1.442$"

 

[AdeFowler]

Looking forward to getting Design Premium, but it looks like Acrobat Pro is unchanged, which is a shame as it's probably the app in most need of an overhaul.

 

[jbkalla]

PS CS5 Availability?

So do you think they'll release the standalone version of Photoshop CS5 today also? Or is it just the suites? I can't seem to find this info anywhere. My estimated availability date says April 29th, but that can't be right, can it? That would be really annoying...

 

[MorphingDragon]

Once agin no... Try reading the other part of my post now! I'm starting to think that you're rediculous.

I have, but the original poster's quote had everything as a single entitiy.

Oh Macromedia, people miss you so.

They do? Really? Well, I say hi, since in your crazy world they are still a company, they know me, I know them, and you're still talking to them about me.

Thats relevant how? Or are you just trying to pull off that Im crazy so you don't have to put a valid response?

Like I said, I only use dreamweaver so I don't need to keep on going back and reminding myself of some workaround.

Wait, can you do HTML by hand?

I can do a lot of things by hand. I'm not some random design student, I'm a real geek, that did computer technology at highschool. I know real 'manly' stuff like Objective-C and C#.

HTML5 does have some sections which are 'frozen'. IE, that spec has been finalized.

If it's important enough, Adobe will make sure it's included or added to DCS5. But this is HTML we're talking about.

Yes, and parts of the HTML5 spec are 'frozen'. Its safe for people to impliment them.

 

[camsoft]

Adobe ruined the great Macromedia products, including flash and fireworks. Moreover, Adobe products were once great too, but now they are just trash, utter trash. Apple products have in general, gotten much better.

Don't agree. Fireworks has got better and better. But I don't think Adobe is putting much resource behind the development of Fireworks. It's not getting ground breaking features just minor updates. It's like Adobe don't really care about Fireworks and just maintain it to keep some folks happy (myself included).

 

[Shintocam]

It took Apple about a year to go from nothing to lead in the mobile phone business. So if Apple really wanted to, it wouldn't take them 10 years.

Thank you - finally the voice of reason. Everyone listen: In one year, Apple came up with an idea to make a smart phone, designed, built, tested, developed, marketed and sold units such that they took over the lead in the business. In one year!

So clearly they could take over Photoshop in that same period of time.

I mean heck - look what they did with iWork - it is already the industry standard. Numbers alone has become the number 1 spreadsheet program in the world!

What's the sarcasm emoticon look like again?

 

[Piggie]

I would like to ask a simple, sensible, rational question, and hope for a serious no fan-boy adult type of answer as I genuinely don't know the REAL HONEST answer to this one.

Windows 7 handles Flash with ease without even breaking a sweat.
No fans speeding up on the graphics card. no crashes and/or lockups.

CPU loading for even full 1080p flash animations is still not enough to really think about.

And yet a Mac running OSX with similar graphics hardware (from reports here) either falls over and dies, or gets into a hot sweat over it.

Without going down the Adobe hate Apple and deliberately design Flash to run bad on their products (common sense tells me they'd like their Flash program to run the best it can on any platform as its in their interests for it to be so)

Why exactly does a Mac running OSX of equal or better spec handle Flash so badly against a PC running Windows 7?

Simple question.

Do we have a genuine, honest, simple, correct answer?

 

[Reach]

Thank you - finally the voice of reason. Everyone listen: In one year, Apple came up with an idea to make a smart phone, designed, built, tested, developed, marketed and sold units such that they took over the lead in the business. In one year! Seshan says so!

So clearly they could take over Photoshop in that same period of time.

I mean heck - look what they did with iWork - it is already the industry standard. Numbers alone has become the number 1 spreadsheet program in the world!

What's the sarcasm emoticon look like again?

Keynote beats Powerpoint though.

And Apple has made killer pro-apps, but only through purchases of existing products? (Final Cut, Logic)

 

[mBox]

I don't know where all those stories come from. I've had about a dozen Macs in the last four years, and Flash never behaved like that on any of my machines. It performed slow on PowerPC Macs, but it certainly didn't turn a Mac "into a camp fire". And it certainly never made a Mac crash.

running different versions of MacPro and MBP at work plus iMacs (College). Ive yet to run into a problem with Youtube on OSX.
Ive had more probs with Windows and certain browsers

 

[mBox]

Dream on. Photoshop is THE professional standard, especially in the professional print and medical business. It would take Apple more than a decade to come up with something in that league.

maybe not close but what about free

 

[ranReloaded]

I think all this Adobe vs. Apple thing is just a smoke screen to cover up the Apple vs. Google thing

 

[spazzcat]

No way I am paying $800 to upgrade from CS3. I may buy PS & DW as standalone upgrades, but that is a big maybe...

 

[Animalk]

What this MR post fails to mention is that Flash CS5 will export animations to HTML5 code which you can paste into your website.

Flash problem solved. Can we all move on folks?

 

[pmz]

Hmm, might be time to upgrade my Photoshop CS. (PPC version running painfully slowly under Rosetta.)



Unfortunately, any mac user who's tried this will eventually run into a problem where the file plays a sound at max SYSTEM volume. Usually the mac will trip something and disable the speakers until you restart or plug/unplug something into the headphone port.

I LOVED HTML5 YouTube when it worked, but the damage it does to your ears and speakers is unforgiveable, forcing me back to flash.

Maybe your machine is defective, as this is does not happen. HTML5 works brilliantly, youtube and everywhere else.

 

[mBox]

You know exactly why many Apple users hate Adobe.

It's because Steve Jobs has personal issues and hates them.

If Steve Jobs loved them and worked with them, then Apple users would also love them.

thus why their is so much passion in creativity My MacPro in turmoil with After Effects LOL!
All kidding aside, someone here said this is our bread and butter.
Well it is. Ive been using Apple and Adobe products hand in hand since 1994.
Even when others stepped in e.g. Painter (I know not really a replacement) and...uggh Im not even going to mention CorelSlaw .
For years Apple, Adobe and Macromedia ruled in the Multi-media world.
Us designers(Motion, Graphics, Web..etc.) can just hope that Apple and Adobe work well together for as long as their both in business

 

[ptsube]

Why do all Apple nerds hate Adobe? They're no worse than Apple and them creating their locked-up platform and trying to control everything.

Because they're just Sheeple. Jobs hates it that Flash pushed Quicktime out of the market. He's bitter, and showing it. Then all the fanboys jump on the wagon. They just don't understand how far Macromedia/Adobe have pushed graphics and web creation along. They don't understand that the options were: Flash, Quicktime, RealPlayer, or Windows Media. All of them, equally buggy, and resource hogs. HTML5 isn't even out of its infancy yet. But they don't actually want to look at the facts. They just repeat the party line. It's easier when Jobs does the thinking for them.

 

[pmz]

I own the Web Design premium CS4 and ponied up the $1k NZD for an educational licence.

Cool deal. It's worth the expense IMO. I've been giving them money every other year since the mid-nineties and it has always paid off.

Or, more realistically, most people have gotten as far as CS3 (like myself) and refuse to upgrade beyond that, as the software does not improve and the extortion (or prices, if you want to call it that) has not gone down.

The amount of money they demand for how dated and pathetic their software package is is insulting to designers and IT everywhere. Just because you once had the most relevant tools for a certain type of graphic work, doesn't mean you have anything today. Re-releasing the same crap proves that even further.

 

[Reach]

Or, more realistically, most people have gotten as far as CS3 (like myself) and refuse to upgrade beyond that, as the software does not improve and the extortion (or prices, if you want to call it that) has not gone down.

The amount of money they demand for how dated and pathetic their software package is is insulting to designers and IT everywhere. Just because you once had the most relevant tools for a certain type of graphic work, doesn't mean you have anything today. Re-releasing the same crap proves that even further.

Pretty much agree.

I'm on CS3, very happy I did not get CS4, and quite honestly don't see why on earth I'd want to pay the price to get CS5, apart from getting an Illustrator that doesn't crash..

 

[Shintocam]

Keynote beats Powerpoint though.

And Apple has made killer pro-apps, but only through purchases of existing products? (Final Cut, Logic)

I do not disagree at all. But to suggest that just because they wanted to that Apple could come up with a product that would replace Photoshop in a year's time is nuts.

Your example of Keynote is a very valid one - but it hardly took only a year - AND it only is on the MAC platform so it has hardly replaced PowerPoint as much as I am a complete Keynote convert.

 

[nubero]

This looks like something where the graphic artists and marketing types were paid more than the software engineers to get this product out.

my thoughts exactly

 

[kazmac]

Or, more realistically, most people have gotten as far as CS3 (like myself) and refuse to upgrade beyond that, as the software does not improve and the extortion (or prices, if you want to call it that) has not gone down.

The amount of money they demand for how dated and pathetic their software package is is insulting to designers and IT everywhere. Just because you once had the most relevant tools for a certain type of graphic work, doesn't mean you have anything today. Re-releasing the same crap proves that even further.

Agreed. I was very disappointed when CS4 moved to more Flash-centric programming across the suite and while this Flash Catalyst thing does sound cool for someone who got sick of trying to wrangle CSS, it's Flash which I've never found easy to work with/or deal with as far as web site production or visitation.

I'm using Pixelmator now and love it. If there's a like-minded & priced Mac-native Dreamweaver substitute, I need to track that down.

I never understood why Adobe charged so much, and now that Flash is integrated into just about every application - I'm gone.