Adobe Announces Creative Suite 5 including Photoshop CS5 and Flash Catalyst CS5

[Star-fire]

You could replace Adobe with Apple there

Sorry, too easy.

Hardware and software are different things. I'd rather see Adobe come out with CS4.1 with some updates, then CS4.2, etc. They know they can get away with it because they have a monopoly on the market. Don't get me wrong I love the CS suite (well for the most part) and upgrade often but not every version it's too costly, and jezz I wonder why so many people pirate their software.

 

[iriejedi]

So Angry

Well - ok, angry may be overstating the reality of the issue. I have waited literally for years to get true 64bit support and ready to upgrade but it seems CS1 is off the radar for upgrade pricing on Photoshop. If anyone knows differently, please let me know - OK to PM me.

On the bright side CS1 does support my needs, but CS5 does appeal to the Y Chromosome as really sexy for my much much newer than CS1 Power Mac.

 

[Reach]

You have to understand that the vast majority of professionals don't visit these forums (like us nerds) and have spent years really learning these Adobe programs and don't have any interest in learning something new.

Then why am I now using InDesign instead of Quark, that I used to love?

Because Quark got complacent and gave **** innovation for outrageous prices.

Designers aren't as stuck in their ways as you think, at least not all of us. When things go far enough, we'll react.

Not saying Photoshop has any replacement atm though, far from it. But should it come, Adobe could soon found that it's current policies are very dangerous for them. Right now, all is well in the land of Adobe as far as designers go. We use Photoshop and InDesign, and we eventually upgrade and give them our money even if there really isn't much reason to. Just because there are no alternatives, and because they cut support/updates to older and very well-functioning sofware like CS3. With competition comes the need to be good though.

 

[Takeo]

Yep and real publishing houses still use monks to hand write each book. Come on there is a lot of both going on, some times you have to code but often visual layout is far better. If Apple were to produce something in their Pro Apps line of products that had built in effects like Motion does for video and it wrote excellent HTML5 anyone hand coding from scratch would be nuts. I agree the ability to dive into any such auto produced code can be useful at times but imagine writing the code Motion produces creating a fire work rocket moving across a video, arcing and decaying. You want to write that? I for one hope Apple are planning on providing designer tools for iPad type web sites and soon. Mind you I am not talking about intricate games but you specifically stated web sites.

No program will ever be able to write "excellent HTML5". Real web designers do both the design and the code. Simple as that.

 

[John.B]

Is that Adobe or Apple though?

My Windows computer works just fine with Flash.

You realize that's the source of all the contempt, right? That Flash performs like total crap on OSX (and has for years)???

 

[mretman]

Where was my whining?

I use all apps in the site on a daily basis (design premium), and would like some reason (other than Adobe withdrawing support from the old apps) to upgrade. I'm not whining, I'm stating that I probably won't upgrade.

What you're saying though, as that you consider it kinda like a subscription that keeps running no matter if they really update the suite (other than in name).

That's fine for you, I'm glad you're glad. I'm happy too, with my CS3, as it saves me money. As I said, Illustrator crashing in Snow Leopard is annoying, but it's not a dealbreaker yet.

The guy you quoted was whining and you said you agreed so you were whining by proxy.

Look all I'm saying is that Adobe like all software companies has to continue upgrading their software. And while I don't entirely agree that the upgrades are insignificant I do agree that they're by no means essential. I know hard core After Effects guys who still use version 5 and you could work in Photoshop CS2 and a creative director isn't going to know the difference.

Now I'm going to get off my wife's iPad and go use PS on my Mac and hope that this world becomes a little more sane in the meantime.

 

[Takeo]

You could replace Adobe with Apple there

Sorry, too easy.

Yah... $30 for Snow Leopard was completely outrageous. As were the decades worth of free OS updates up until System 8.

 

[q dude]

Pretty much agree.

I'm on CS3, very happy I did not get CS4, and quite honestly don't see why on earth I'd want to pay the price to get CS5, apart from getting an Illustrator that doesn't crash..

Nicely said. Illustrator crashes routinely. -Big waste of my time and certainly annoying. I wish a strong competitor would surface to all of Adobe products. They are not what they used to be. Now they are the bloated app guys with the "screw you" attitude.

 

[Komiksulo]

So...does Illustrator finally have layer comps like Photoshop does?

 

[seedster2]

I'm excited for Photoshop CS5; probably will just buy that; everything else, I'm fine with using CS4.

So am I. Cant wait to get my hands on Photoshop CS5

The people you see here foaming about Abobe are consumers who hate the company because Steve Jobs hates it too. They run pirated copies of CS4 so they can edit their family holiday photos. Their ignorance is quite stunning, I tell you. They think Apple can whip up a Photoshop killer in 2 months, and some of them are even suggesting moving to "alternatives" called Pixelmator and The Gimp! Like I said, they're consumers. And since Apple moved away from professionals to focus on consumers a few years ago, there are a LOT of them around these days.

So true. Some of these guys are living outside of reality. Apple can't even get Aperture working out the door in a timely fashion, imagine what would happen with a PS alternative.

Oh I'm also a Mac fan, all hardware we use is Mac based BUT from experience Apple software needs much improvement. Final Cut is amazing, Logic is good, Shake had potential till they killed it, Aperture is so, so

I really dont consider Mac more than a consumer level software maker. Yes some of their products are awesome but with their secrecy unpredictable update cycles and penchant for canning unsuccessful endeavors quickly I wouldnt run a business with their apps.

Thank you - finally the voice of reason. Everyone listen: In one year, Apple came up with an idea to make a smart phone, designed, built, tested, developed, marketed and sold units such that they took over the lead in the business. In one year!

So clearly they could take over Photoshop in that same period of time.

I mean heck - look what they did with iWork - it is already the industry standard. Numbers alone has become the number 1 spreadsheet program in the world!

What's the sarcasm emoticon look like again?

haha so true. Adobe is the industry standard and for very good reason. I havent been to a single design studio/professional printer using anything else. Again Apple cant get a LR competitor to customers, doutbful they'd do better against PS

Honestly do you really know anything about Photoshop or are you just another Adobe hater? 99% of professional graphic artists in the world happily use Photoshop. And a high percentage of them happily do it on Macs. I make my living using these programs and love them. I work with many other designers and have never heard anyone say they hate these programs.

Someone must be channeling steve's thoughts and spouting them on MR again.

I make my living with these programs and don't think paying $800 or $900 every couple of years for an upgrade of their entire suite of programs is unreasonable.

Precisely. No one says you have to upgrade every version and frankly i dont want to, but it's ridiculous to be on an apple forum and hear overpriced talk when besides software all mac hardware carries a hefty premium. Different business models call for different price structuring. CS5 upgrade is considered expensive but a 900 iPad is justified

 

[John.B]

the internet didn't come built into my itouch

So what competing product has Flash? Wait, what? None of them do? Maybe there is a reason for that?

 

[John.B]

Why would Apple buy Adobe? Why are so many people convincing themselves of this? At least 70% of their sales are for Windows machines. (Maybe closer to 80%). Why would Apple buy a product that would require massive support for Windows? And do you honestly think Apple would pay billions for Adobe and then just cease production on 70-80% of the company's sales?

Did you make that up just now?

John Nack has said it's a 50%/50% revenue split between Mac and Windows for the CS product line.

I'm sure your 80% is accurate for corporate Acrobat licenses (in part because PDF support is built in to OSX but not Windows).

 

[reevans]

Boycott

Didn't a certain Adobe evangelist just make a very public statement that Apple should have private sex with itself?

I think it is time for Adobe to get fscked by it's Apple former customers and boycott this piece of software.

 

[q dude]

Then why am I now using InDesign instead of Quark, that I used to love?

Because Quark got complacent and gave **** innovation for outrageous prices.

Designers aren't as stuck in their ways as you think, at least not all of us. When things go far enough, we'll react.

For many years I have thought about moving my creative team to inDesign from XPress but never felt inDesign was really ready. Too many problems. And now seeing that their other products are becoming plagued with performance issues I am glad that I did not.

 

[jaw04005]

$799 to upgrade from CS3 Design Premium to CS5 Design Premium? I think I’ll pass.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Didn't a certain Adobe evangelist just make a very public statement that Apple should have private sex with itself?

I think it is time for Adobe to get fscked by it's Apple former customers and boycott this piece of software.

People just can't boycott a piece of essential software.

People like my sister for example have two choices, Cinema 4D or Maya. But there is NOTHIN in the league of Photoshop. Yes there's Pixelmaker, but its not suitible for some of the hardcore stuff I see.

 

[mretman]

Then why am I now using InDesign instead of Quark, that I used to love?

Because Quark got complacent and gave **** innovation for outrageous prices.

Designers aren't as stuck in their ways as you think, at least not all of us. When things go far enough, we'll react.

Yeah and it was like pulling teeth to get people to change even though InDesign was a far better program.

Do you think Photoshop is in the same place as Quark was in the end? Forgetting about CS5 for a second - What are your complaints with Photoshop? Come to think of it I haven't read one thing on this forum explaining what is wrong with PS.

Personally I love it and think it's become an amazing program. Maybe not because of any one upgrade but for me it's a great tool that I can't imagine replacing.

 

[Ed State]

I really really really wish they would take a little more time between updates, and actually fix all the lingering bugs

CS is a great suite of programs, and imho well worth the upgrade cost. But by releasing a wholesale update every 18 months, and NOT ever getting those versions working right through proper updates... they're still making a lot of loyal users, like myself, pretty exasperated.

 

[spazzcat]

I don't think people get that Apple is not at war with Adobe. They are at war with something Adobe bought. Flash either need to be majorly improved or it needs to die. Don't get me wrong, I have programmed in Flash and at one time it showed promise. But it has gotten worse every time Adobe comes out with a new and "improved" version.

 

[inlovewithi]

I would like to ask a simple, sensible, rational question, and hope for a serious no fan-boy adult type of answer as I genuinely don't know the REAL HONEST answer to this one.

Windows 7 handles Flash with ease without even breaking a sweat.
No fans speeding up on the graphics card. no crashes and/or lockups.

CPU loading for even full 1080p flash animations is still not enough to really think about.

And yet a Mac running OSX with similar graphics hardware (from reports here) either falls over and dies, or gets into a hot sweat over it.

Without going down the Adobe hate Apple and deliberately design Flash to run bad on their products (common sense tells me they'd like their Flash program to run the best it can on any platform as its in their interests for it to be so)

Why exactly does a Mac running OSX of equal or better spec handle Flash so badly against a PC running Windows 7?

Simple question.

Do we have a genuine, honest, simple, correct answer?

It has something to do with Apple not allowing access to certain things. Not sure of the name, but has to do with the GPU. But I'll give you the fanboy answer. It's because Steve said that Adobe is lazy. Now fanboys must repeat that every chance they get.

 

[John.B]

Honestly do you really know anything about Photoshop or are you just another Adobe hater? 99% of professional graphic artists in the world happily use Photoshop. And a high percentage of them happily do it on Macs. I make my living using these programs and love them. I work with many other designers and have never heard anyone say they hate these programs.

T,FTFY.

Apple already has enough of a stranglehold on the industry. Do we really want them controlling and making everything we use?

You don't see the paradox in those two paragraphs?

Adobe has 99% marketshare, W00t! vs. Apple has a stranglehold, booo!



John (Lightroom and Photoshop for Mac user)

 

[q dude]

Yeah and it was like pulling teeth to get people to change even though InDesign was a far better program.

InDesign was initially plagued with severe font problems--and can still be prone to such problems today--in studio and at prepress... I do not agree with you that it was a "far better" program.

 

[Reach]

Yeah and it was like pulling teeth to get people to change even though InDesign was a far better program.

Do you think Photoshop is in the same place as Quark was in the end? Forgetting about CS5 for a second - What are your complaints with Photoshop? Come to think of it I haven't read one thing on this forum explaining what is wrong with PS.

Personally I love it and think it's become an amazing program. Maybe not because of any one upgrade but for me it's a great tool that I can't imagine replacing.

I love PS too, it's stuff like stuffing Flash into InDesign etc. that really makes me wonder where Adobe lost their way. (What was the name of that thing Quark made when they too felt the urge to let people make webpages with the DTP-app again.. Long time ago.)

 

[MorphingDragon]

It has something to do with Apple not allowing access to certain things. Not sure of the name, but has to do with the GPU.

You do realize that release builds of Flash are still CPU accelerated?

Even then, Adobe still has access to the GPU using various API's.

 

[John.B]

Didn't a certain Adobe evangelist just make a very public statement that Apple should have private sex with itself?

I think it is time for Adobe to get fscked by it's Apple former customers and boycott this piece of software.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

Way too many people use Photoshop to get real work done to get sucked into some emotional argument over some Flash development team manager's public tantrum. You are completely misreading the scale of this.

People need to grow up...