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Adobe Announces Creative Suite 5 including Photoshop CS5 and Flash Catalyst CS5

nextdimension said:
Lameass feature. Photoshop sux. Apple could do so much better. The sooner Apple can kill off Adobe the better. Cmon Apple release your Photoshop killer already.
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Honestly do you really know anything about Photoshop or are you just another Adobe hater? 99% of professional graphic artists in the world happily use Photoshop. And a high percentage of them happily do it on Macs. I make my living using these programs and love them. I work with many other designers and have never heard anyone say they hate these programs.

Apple already has enough of a stranglehold on the industry. Do we really want them controlling and making everything we use?
 
It is war

emotion said:
Give it a year - then Apple will buy Adobe.
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If Adobe is bought, then probably by a company that needs patents in a patent war with Apple. Google maybe, or Microsoft. Or Apple, to prevent that from happening. A bit like the rumours going around now that HTC woul dbe interested in buying Palm. I can totally understand that because of Palm's patent portfolio that HTC can use to broker a deal with Apple.
 
pmz said:
Or, more realistically, most people have gotten as far as CS3 (like myself) and refuse to upgrade beyond that, as the software does not improve and the extortion (or prices, if you want to call it that) has not gone down.

The amount of money they demand for how dated and pathetic their software package is is insulting to designers and IT everywhere. Just because you once had the most relevant tools for a certain type of graphic work, doesn't mean you have anything today. Re-releasing the same crap proves that even further.
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Agreed. The photographer who just shot my daughter's pictures is using CS3 and has no plans to move beyond that. If the new autofill is a big enough improvement over the older healing tool, that might be enough to cause some people to upgrade, though.

Animalk said:
What this MR post fails to mention is that Flash CS5 will export animations to HTML5 code which you can paste into your website.

Flash problem solved. Can we all move on folks?
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If true, that's good news. It should put to rest all those people who whine about how much work it would be for Flash developers to change to html 5. It would also silence those who keep saying that Flash does things that html 5 can't do (although none of them have ever come up with an example).

Piggie said:
Without going down the Adobe hate Apple and deliberately design Flash to run bad on their products (common sense tells me they'd like their Flash program to run the best it can on any platform as its in their interests for it to be so)

Why exactly does a Mac running OSX of equal or better spec handle Flash so badly against a PC running Windows 7?

Simple question.

Do we have a genuine, honest, simple, correct answer?
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Yes. The Mac OS X code is apparently very, very badly optimized or has some bad loops. I don't think anyone ever said that Adobe deliberately designed Flash to run badly on Macs - that would be insane. It IS clear, however, that they're not spending anywhere near as much time optimizing the Mac code. They're also apparently not using all the APIs available to them to run the code. An example would be hardware acceleration. Apple has APIs which allow hardware acceleration, but Adobe won't use them. They want Apple to give them direct access to the hardware (which Apple won't do for security reasons), so they're ignoring some of the biggest areas for improvement.
 
gctwnl said:
If Adobe is bought, then probably by a company that needs patents in a patent war with Apple. Google maybe, or Microsoft. Or Apple, to prevent that from happening. A bit like the rumours going around now that HTC woul dbe interested in buying Palm. I can totally understand that because of Palm's patent portfolio that HTC can use to broker a deal with Apple.
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Yeah. I agree which is why I'm thinking Apple might be interested in Adobe.

It's a wild speculation though ;)

As for Adobe hating. I know a lot of designers. Not a single one uses anything else. There's no way Apple could compete.
 
drummerlondonw3 said:
absolutely not what is going to happen. Adobe are so well supported must be near to 100% market penetration and it is THE industry standard
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It's photoshop, all they would need is a good alternative and they could switch, it's not like it's a program that creates a proprietary file and that you need photoshop to view the file. The only reason it's the industry standard is because it has no competition. Magazines won't go, "Oh we can't use this picture because it wasn't made in Photoshop and we can only use Photoshop created pictures in our Magazines."
 
I think if this thread proves anything, that there's a big consumer base of Apple buyers who genuinely have little interest in anything other than a shiny case to pose in at Starbucks or wherever, and are just using the Apple logo to 1up other consumers.

Really sad to see that some posters are so far out of the game they can't realise that Adobe are the industry standard. It's in everything they touch and do online and out in the print world. Adobe by and large makes the modern creative industry turn.

You walk into a printers and you see the back of Mac screens. You work on the other side of it and you're looking at InDesign.
 
Reach said:
Pretty much agree.

I'm on CS3, very happy I did not get CS4, and quite honestly don't see why on earth I'd want to pay the price to get CS5, apart from getting an Illustrator that doesn't crash..
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Then don't upgrade and stop whining about it. It's not unreasonable for Adobe to continue upgrading their software. Some upgrades are better then others but that's no different from Apple or any other software company. If they didn't upgrade they'd run the risk of other companies filling the void and having the large number of users who do demand regular upgrades from jumping ship.

I make my living with these programs and don't think paying $800 or $900 every couple of years for an upgrade of their entire suite of programs is unreasonable.
 
CFreymarc said:
This looks like something where the graphic artists and marketing types were paid more than the software engineers to get this product out.

That is the sad but, IMO, current state of corporate Adobe since the last original Photoshop engineers left a few years ago.
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Mark Hamburg returned to Adobe last year.
 
Apart from the Content Aware feature on Photoshop, the only other feature I'd be buying this for is 64-bit support. CS4 has enough features as it is, and even CS3 is ideal for beginners who won't pay the prices.
 
Catalyst sounds like a nightmare. I can only imagine the crap (inaccessible flash-based crap) that so-called designers will churn out with that. Real web designers write code. Always have. Always will.
 
jragosta said:
. It IS clear, however, that they're not spending anywhere near as much time optimizing the Mac code.
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Like maybe they are spending 10% of their time on it - for the 10% marketshare? (No I am not suggesting I know exactly how much of their efforts go to OSX dev).

Of course they are not spending as much time. That being said - with the iPad and iPhone issues now, they have been burned by that decision.

To be honest, this whole thing is two groups being spoiled brats and not willing to work with each other. As you said, there are APIs that Adobe could use to accelerate things. That being said - in Adobe's defense, they came up with a solution that would work on ANY system by using calls to the hardware. That way their development resources can go toward any platform. But Apple will not allow those calls. Right or wrong. So Adobe is left having to develop a completely different solution for a platform that consumes only a fraction of their total install base.
 
emotion said:
Yeah. I agree which is why I'm thinking Apple might be interested in Adobe.

It's a wild speculation though ;)

As for Adobe hating. I know a lot of designers. Not a single one uses anything else. There's no way Apple could compete.
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That would be an interesting scenario for sure. Mergers and acquisitions are not something I know anything about but I would have thought if a they were for sale there are other players that would have tried by now though. Unless Apple could do a hostile bid or something. Apple owning PS would be sweet for us Mac users lol. There simply isn't an alternative to Photoshop out there for pro work although I have managed to live without much else from Adobe these last few years.
 
mretman said:
Then don't upgrade and stop whining about it. It's not unreasonable for Adobe to continue upgrading their software. Some upgrades are better then others but that's no different from Apple or any other software company. If they didn't upgrade they'd run the risk of other companies filling the void and having the large number of users who do demand regular upgrades from jumping ship.

I make my living with these programs and don't think paying $800 or $900 every couple of years for an upgrade of their entire suite of programs is unreasonable.
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Where was my whining?

I use all apps in the site on a daily basis (design premium), and would like some reason (other than Adobe withdrawing support from the old apps) to upgrade. I'm not whining, I'm stating that I probably won't upgrade.

What you're saying though, as that you consider it kinda like a subscription that keeps running no matter if they really update the suite (other than in name).

That's fine for you, I'm glad you're glad. I'm happy too, with my CS3, as it saves me money. As I said, Illustrator crashing in Snow Leopard is annoying, but it's not a dealbreaker yet.
 
I am a graphic designer and use photoshop almost everyday but I'm getting a little tired of Adobe pumping out lack luster updates every year and a half and charging obscene amounts for the upgrades.
 
Seshan said:
It's photoshop, all they would need is a good alternative and they could switch, it's not like it's a program that creates a proprietary file and that you need photoshop to view the file. The only reason it's the industry standard is because it has no competition. Magazines won't go, "Oh we can't use this picture because it wasn't made in Photoshop and we can only use Photoshop created pictures in our Magazines."
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I don't know what world you live in but here on planet earth (specifically in New York) in the advertising world which I work in, Photoshop is going no where and there's not a damn thing Apple could do about it. I see all these posts from clueless people who clearly have never stepped a foot in any design studio in their life asking about 'what about pixelator' or whatever it's called. Good luck getting a job with Pixelator on your resume.

-"No I don't know Photoshop or Illustrator but I'm a helluva hand at Pixelator"

Next!

You have to understand that the vast majority of professionals don't visit these forums (like us nerds) and have spent years really learning these Adobe programs and don't have any interest in learning something new.
 
Piggie said:
You know exactly why many Apple users hate Adobe.

It's because Steve Jobs has personal issues and hates them.

If Steve Jobs loved them and worked with them, then Apple users would also love them.
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So true. Steve Jobs, please tell us who we should hate. LOL
 
Takeo said:
Catalyst sounds like a nightmare. I can only imagine the crap (inaccessible flash-based crap) that so-called designers will churn out with that. Real web designers write code. Always have. Always will.
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Yep and real publishing houses still use monks to hand write each book. Come on there is a lot of both going on, some times you have to code but often visual layout is far better. If Apple were to produce something in their Pro Apps line of products that had built in effects like Motion does for video and it wrote excellent HTML5 anyone hand coding from scratch would be nuts. I agree the ability to dive into any such auto produced code can be useful at times but imagine writing the code Motion produces creating a fire work rocket moving across a video, arcing and decaying. You want to write that? I for one hope Apple are planning on providing designer tools for iPad type web sites and soon. Mind you I am not talking about intricate games but you specifically stated web sites.
 
spazzcat said:
No way I am paying $800 to upgrade from CS3. I may buy PS & DW as standalone upgrades
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Unless you have standalone licences I don't think you can. The last time I looked (ca. 2007) suites had to be upgraded as such, you couldn't upgrade the component applications individually. Adobe may have changed their licensing structure, but that doesn't sound like Adobe.
 
100% of the design and ad industry uses Adobe and always has. Photoshop isn't going anywhere. Then again... there was a time when everyone used Quark. And Freehand was quite popular once upon a time too. But right now there is no alternative to Photoshop and I can't imagine there ever would be. I mean come on... it's been around for 20 years.

Me? Love Photoshop. Hate Flash.
 
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