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So instead of paying a ton of money at once for software, we can continually pay tons of money per month? REALLY? SIGN ME UP!

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Seriously, I'm not exactly finding a ton of exciting new features between CS3, which I have at home, and CS5, which I use at work. So why in the name of Clark Kent would I want to do this? #revolt
 
Let's face it. . .Adobe software is some of the most (if not the most) pirated content creation software on the planet. This effectively puts an end to pirating future versions of their most popular content creation tools. There's no telling how many millions of dollars Adobe has lost in revenue over the past 15 or 20 years because of software piracy.

I don't it'll put an end to it. There are cracks floating around to 'unlock' the 30 day trials and even FCPX, which can only come from the App Store, was up on torrents w/in days of it's release. It will kill the casual "hey can I 'borrow' your copy of AE" and the selling of computers 'fully loaded' on craigslist type of piracy though.
 
Wow. A lot of anger on here. I personally appreciate the regular service updates of Creative Cloud. They're really nice. And integration with iOS devices is nice too. Pricey? Maybe. But if you're a professional user you'll have this monthly fee paid off in less than an hour.
 
Will work good. Believe me. :)

I use a laptop on location to photograph and edit home interiors. How will this work without an internet connection? Am I missing something? Will photoshop still work without internet during the day?
Will I need to pay for mobile tethering? And then how much data will I be using up on my cell phone data plan? I get really bad signal in many houses. Just surfing the internet on my phone can be monotonous!

I am really dreading this! :( I seriously need to figure out a new profession. Life is getting more difficult.
 
Wow. A lot of anger on here. I personally appreciate the regular service updates of Creative Cloud. They're really nice. And integration with iOS devices is nice too. Pricey? Maybe. But if you're a professional user you'll have this monthly fee paid off in less than an hour.

Sure, if you are a pro using it 8+ hours a day...

But what about the rest of us? I use PS 4-5 hours a month right now. So now we are all supposed to pay through the nose, or use some sub-standard Corel product?

Gimme a break.

Also, what happens when that $30/month price expires in a year, and it goes up to $60 or $70 per month?

Ouch.
 
Sure, if you are a pro using it 8+ hours a day...

But what about the rest of us? I use PS 4-5 hours a month right now. So now we are all supposed to pay through the nose, or use some sub-standard Corel product?

Ouch.

I hate this scheme too, but, if you really only use it 4-5 hours a month, I would submit that you should head over to the App Store and check out Pixelmator and Acorn, they both cover most of the core Photoshop features.

At work, we have about a 300 seat site license for the Creative Suite. I imagine we’re now looking at upwards of 100K per year in licensing. It’s actually only somewhat cheaper than that now, but at least we get to choose when to upgrade, et cetera.
 
And for those saying 600 bucks per year is too much. You're still upgrading your suite once every few years, and if you pay say $2000 every three years, that would be $666/year on average.

No one ever paid $2000 for upgrades.

As mentioned earlier, this subscription service is cost-effective for the short term. But you pay significantly more in the long term.
 
Just a question to all who champion this new subscription model for software: what happens IF--God forbid--Adobe (or any software company with this business model) ever went out of business?

(I don't think this will happen in the near future, but as with any company there are risks.)

IF a person purchases software with a perpetual license, the files can be accessed by the software purchased and possibly even converted for use with another program so long as the computer is able to run or emulate the program.

However, IF a person subscribes to a piece of software and that company closes the doors, what do you do when that software is no longer accessible even if it could be run on that computer?

Something to think about.
 
I use a laptop on location to photograph and edit home interiors. How will this work without an internet connection? Am I missing something? Will photoshop still work without internet during the day?
Will I need to pay for mobile tethering? And then how much data will I be using up on my cell phone data plan? I get really bad signal in many houses. Just surfing the internet on my phone can be monotonous!

I am really dreading this! :( I seriously need to figure out a new profession. Life is getting more difficult.

Step 1. Pay for and download the software.

Step 2. Install the software on you machine.

Step 3. Have your computer connected to the internet at least once a month so the software can phone home.

The software is running on your machine, not the cloud.
 
So now rather than buying an asset that you can use indefinitely, you rent a liability that you can use only as long as you pay - Great. I know plenty of people still using CS3 and I'm sure many more use earlier versions.

The only way this would be viable is if after a certain amount of subscription (your 24 months or whatever) the version you're 'renting' becomes a stand alone package that you own.

But Adobe aren't that smart, I hope this decision bites them in the arse.
 
Just curious if anyone else is a research scientist? How is this going to work for labs that need photoshop and adobe illustrator for making figures for publication?

Right now our lab uses CS4. I can get an educational discount on CS6 but I'm not sure how much longer that will be available (hopefully a while as I can't afford it right now). I can't see many graduate students and post-docs being able to afford $600/year without institutional help.

I've never had any trouble with CS4 on my mac but I'm kind of wondering if I should purchase CS6 just in case. Does Adobe generally make sure recent releases are compatible with new OSes?

I simply could never afford this subscription model and I need this for my work so yeah...kind of scratching my head as to what to do (besides bury my head in the sand and pray that CS4 keeps working in future OSX releases)
 
Let's face it. . .Adobe software is some of the most (if not the most) pirated content creation software on the planet. This effectively puts an end to pirating future versions of their most popular content creation tools. There's no telling how many millions of dollars Adobe has lost in revenue over the past 15 or 20 years because of software piracy.

It's not lost revenue until people are willing to spend the $$$. Software companies need to stop counting all pirated installs as potential revenue. Only a fraction of that illicit install base would ever materialize as sales.

I'm OK with the subscription model as long as the costs are reasonable. I am a hobbyist Photographer with no need for any products other than PS and Lightroom. I have zero income from my photography and purchased my first copy of PS last year when it was available for $329 a %50 discount. I dare Adobe to be creative and price PS at $49 a year. Lets see how many hobbyists that are on the fence are willing to pay that.
 
This is horrible. A big mistake.

If they keep this business model, a new company will come about and destroy Adobe.

I wouldn't say destroy, at least not within the next 5 years. They're just in so many industries. If people respond negatively, the issue would be limited growth in future markets where startups might have more leverage.

Guess my old copy of CS4 just got a lot more valuable!:)

It may not be legally transferable, and it's not like these things continue to work on the latest OS forever. It will work fine if you maintain hardware that can run that version. That might work for several more years.

I do hope there's an uproar over this.

There will be one, then they'll back off somewhat. Look at what happened with CS6. It's the same thing. They have backup statements already prepared or being prepared as they filter out some of the noise in the complaint comments.

I don't it'll put an end to it. There are cracks floating around to 'unlock' the 30 day trials and even FCPX, which can only come from the App Store, was up on torrents w/in days of it's release. It will kill the casual "hey can I 'borrow' your copy of AE" and the selling of computers 'fully loaded' on craigslist type of piracy though.

I really hate those stupid CL ads. If you're ever on the market for a used machine, they tend to push up the asking prices even though they are not genuine licenses, and you would have no recourse if the drive crashes. I hate anything that messes with the market in such a way.

I can't believe how freaked out everyone is about this. You don't run the apps online, you install them on your computer just like before. And you don't have to use the "cloud" for storage if you don't want to or don't have a fast enough internet connection.

Take a chill pill, this is obviously a good thing for those who don't have $3000+ to put on the suite in one go. Adobe will gain a ton of users with this and it's also a good way to fight piratism.

And for those saying 600 bucks per year is too much. You're still upgrading your suite once every few years, and if you pay say $2000 every three years, that would be $666/year on average.

They've been reducing the barriers to entry for years. Student versions can be upgraded to full upon graduation. I will say if you already have Creative Suite, it's reasonably cheap to buy upgrades. You wouldn't pay $2000 though. No one just waits for their license to be completely non-viable. They upgrade within the limit so a hardware or OS update doesn't break compatibility mid cycle.

This is the kind of thing the antitrust laws were written to address. Write your Congressperson. Call the state attorney general's office, etc.

We're Americans. Mostly. There are options.

What about the licensing changes conflicts with the Sherman Antitrust Act? Adobe is the standard in a lot of areas.

Hate it or love it, it's the future... just as with Microsoft, and others too are doing.

And with the popularity of ultra-books with SSD's, cloud makes the only choice going forward.

Yes, pros may not like it, but no one is forcing you to use it... But if they Have to for some reason business related, then that's a difficult choice.

Kinda reminds me of the article, of all the Pro's went to Adobe because Final Cut Pro had reduce features (probably to bring down the price)

None of that is strongly related. FCPX was likely changed to make it more approachable for a wider audience. You still download the application, so ultrabooks with ssds have nothing to do with this. The presenter mentions the use of cloud based computation, but that won't be the only method. It's still faster to run a lot of these things on your notebook. Leveraging computing power is more to increase what can be done on your iphone or iPad, although in a few years, those will have sufficient power to run many of these functions assuming they continue to outpace growth in demands. This is just an early announcement.

There will be a lot of hand waving, and eventually you will see offline options appear or be clarified. They won't require 100% internet uptime, as no one wants to have internet service hiccups interrupt their deadlines, and such problems are still a reality. It's not reasonable to demand that everyone be on the internet whenever they wish to use an application.
 
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For a non-pro user like me this is the end of the Photoshop road. I don't do professional photography work anymore but I like to use good equipment, Canon bodies, L lenses, Mac Pro and CS6.

No way I'm going to pay Adobe monthly for the rest of my hobby life! I thought purchasing a Photoshop upgrade every 18 months or so for my Mac and another one for my Windows installation was enough. Apparently it wasn't enough for Adobe.

Aperture or Elements is enough for what I do now but I would rather use Photoshop. Thanks Adobe. I hope CC gets the hell hacked out of it. The more people who use it without paying for it the happier I'll be.
 
Step 1. Pay for and download the software.

Step 2. Install the software on you machine.

Step 3. Have your computer connected to the internet at least once a month so the software can phone home.

The software is running on your machine, not the cloud.

Thank you for clarifying that. I feel better. Still don't like the subscription model, but if you are right then at least I will not be hobbled.
 
Sort of makes creative professionals think about how invested in time, money, and knowledge they are in one company's products... I can't say that I won't use past CS6 because I'm in my early 20s, and I don't see that as sustainable for the rest of my career, but I definitely don't like the idea of not being able to use your apps if money is right one month or something.
 
You must be kidding

It's the only reason really. People just find ways to pirate it, so moving it to a base cloud will end the bleeding.

I'm sure it won't take long to figure out the crypto to all of this and then redirect host calls to an app running locally to provide activation. Most likely activation etc prolly not changed since previous releases knowing what adobe are like.

Just my 2¢
 
For a non-pro user like me this is the end of the Photoshop road. I don't do professional photography work anymore but I like to use good equipment, Canon bodies, L lenses, Mac Pro and CS6.

No way I'm going to pay Adobe monthly for the rest of my hobby life! I thought purchasing a Photoshop upgrade every 18 months or so for my Mac and another one for my Windows installation was enough. Apparently it wasn't enough for Adobe.

Aperture or Elements is enough for what I do now but I would rather use Photoshop. Thanks Adobe. I hope CC gets the hell hacked out of it. The more people who use it without paying for it the happier I'll be.

Having used both photoshop and GIMP I can say GIMP isn't that bad if you get used to it. Some things are a little faster. It doesn't have the smooth OpenGL zooming which is kind of buggy anyway, but it also lacks some of photoshop's random hangups. The vector drawing is nicer than photoshop. If you were illustrating at extreme resolutions, photoshop handles large brushes and document sizes better. What most people think of large is nothing. 30MP dslr images + a dozen layers is really nothing. Consider that people still used a hundred layers + various composite images to create layouts on PowerPC era hardware. The same is true today. If you try to approach that level on GIMP, the brushes and things hit a wall much faster than they would on photoshop. Most people will never encounter that, including working professionals.
 
I for one rate the subscription model.

Cancel anytime, and with the low cost and nothing upfront it's like I'm paying virtually nothing for it. As someone mentioned, it's a fraction of my hourly rate.

Does seem a bit of a waste to have access to the whole suite when I'm only using one or two programs, though.
 
I GUESS I can do $240 a year with the student discount, but I will have to find a way to keep that forever, even once I'm not a student anymore, cause $600 is ridiculous.

Also am willing to bet it won't be long before the pirates go hard at work deciphering it, and probably succeed.
 
People who are willing to pirate software are going to pirate software as long as it's physically possible.

It's a noble try by Adobe, but I don't see this solving many of their problems.
 
$600/$840 a year to rent Creative Suite sounds pretty awesome, Nothing better than paying the price to own software only to not actually own the software. Awesome way to pay for the 30 day trial.
 
Also, what happens when that $30/month price expires in a year, and it goes up to $60 or $70 per month?

Ouch.

And it will. Enough is never enough for any of them. They keep pushing it. So when do the people squeal?

No one ever paid $2000 for upgrades.

As mentioned earlier, this subscription service is cost-effective for the short term. But you pay significantly more in the long term.

It seems everything in this generation is short termism.

Mar 5, 2013 – Short-termism has become an "entrenched feature" of British business and is damaging economic growth, a report for Labour says.

I for one rate the subscription model.

Cancel anytime, and with the low cost and nothing upfront it's like I'm paying virtually nothing for it. As someone mentioned, it's a fraction of my hourly rate.

Does seem a bit of a waste to have access to the whole suite when I'm only using one or two programs, though.


And how do you get skill in the program? for new comers. Or even professionals keeping their skills refined. I'll just cancel my subscriptions for a few months until work picks up... 4 months passes... 8 months...
 
There will be a lot of hand waving, and eventually you will see offline options appear or be clarified. They won't require 100% internet uptime, as no one wants to have internet service hiccups interrupt their deadlines, and such problems are still a reality. It's not reasonable to demand that everyone be on the internet whenever they wish to use an application.

This was my one major concern about the CC, and it turns out it won't be a problem. All the applications need to check in once every 30 days for a month to month sub, and every 120 days for a yearly sub. It doesn't require anywhere near 100% internet uptime.

People who are willing to pirate software are going to pirate software as long as it's physically possible.

It's a noble try by Adobe, but I don't see this solving many of their problems.

Whatever reason they're doing this for, it isn't a lame attempt at curtailing piracy. The only difference between a creative cloud version of PS and any of the previous versions is that you have to sign into it every once in awhile so it can connect home for verification. It's kinda like Steam in a way.

And pretty much like every other attempt at call home DRM, it'll be cracked about a week after release.
 
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