Adobe Announces New Creative Cloud Apps, Abandons Creative Suite

[scottsjack]

So you'd rather pay $3500 for a suit of software that will be considered "too old" in 3 years?

Their cloud structure allows me to buy software that is CONSTANTLY upgraded. AND if I have a big project that I need 3 extra seats for 2 months, I don't have to fork over over $10,000 to do so. It's only $300.

I love ADOBE's cloud system. It's great for people who don't steal software.

Not well said. It's already obvious that some people using CS for production don't mind renting their software from Adobe. That point was made very early.

The users most affected are the millions of casual, semi-pro or enthusiast users who did not need a complete suite but who liked to do professional quality work using only one of the suite's applications.

So, big-time pros back off. The rest of us do not care whether you buy or rent your software. We like owning perpetual licenses.

 

[x86isslow]

No longer a user will be allowed to use these applications offline.
Everybody should be, in any case, in any place, always connected to internet, according to Adobe. Otherwise, they should not use their products.

You have limited vision

I know you're not referring to a comment I made, but I want to know why you think that.

As answered dozens of times in this thread, license check is 1 time a month. Beside that check (<1 minute & a few kb) you don't need to be online at all to use Adobe CC.

 

[RMo]

Well, yes, Adobe do have a per-application monthly fee, but consider this. [snip]

These monstrous costs might be fine for people who are working, particularly if you can tax deduct the cost - but this monthly fee is for the rest of your life.

That's actually exactly what I was arguing--I'd want to buy a license for use indefinitely (although since we use Macs, I suspect it won't last much beyond one or two major OS revisions anyway, but I digress). I don't like the idea of "subscribing" for the rest of my life if I want to access my data in their format.

I don't use Photoshop; I mostly use Acrobat, and so I simply hope individual apps remain with the current (pay-once) licensing model available. In fact, I hope CS does too even though I don't use it. Software-as-a-subscription might make sense for something Web-based where it's continually changing, always accessible, and dependent on the vendor's resources, but it doesn't make any sense for desktop software. I hope people realize this and force Adobe to, as well.

 

[sound]

Its Time

Time for Apple or some other BigPlayer to enter the CS (PSD/AI/INDD) market.

 

[m00min]

As answered dozens of times in this thread, license check is 1 time a month. Beside that check (<1 minute & a few kb) you don't need to be online at all to use Adobe CC.

Doesn't matter how little data needs to be passed to Adobe's validating servers. Some people run their machines offline for security purposes. I know of a company local to me that runs two networks; one is internet-facing, the other is not. It is a stackable offence to cross-connect them. What do you suggest people in that situation do?

 

[x86isslow]

That's a valid concern, but different the earlier post which lumped CC with Sim City as needing an always-on connection.

Doesn't matter how little data needs to be passed to Adobe's validating servers. Some people run their machines offline for security purposes. I know of a company local to me that runs two networks; one is internet-facing, the other is not. It is a stackable offence to cross-connect them. What do you suggest people in that situation do?

 

[m00min]

That's a valid concern, but different the earlier post which lumped CC with Sim City as needing an always-on connection.

Tapatalk doesn't allow me to quote nested quotes but I was replying to your comment replying to someone who said they won't be able to use CC offline. Well, they won't, it's got nothing to do with Sim City.

 

[x86isslow]

I was replying to this:

Everybody should be, in any case, in any place, always connected to internet, according to Adobe. Otherwise, they should not use their products.

Tapatalk doesn't allow me to quote nested quotes but I was replying to your comment replying to someone who said they won't be able to use CC offline. Well, they won't, it's got nothing to do with Sim City.

 

[Badagri]

As answered dozens of times in this thread, license check is 1 time a month. Beside that check (<1 minute & a few kb) you don't need to be online at all to use Adobe CC.

For now, what makes you think it wont change to something more strict in the future...

Doesn't matter how little data needs to be passed to Adobe's validating servers. Some people run their machines offline for security purposes. I know of a company local to me that runs two networks; one is internet-facing, the other is not. It is a stackable offence to cross-connect them. What do you suggest people in that situation do?

Some game companies do this that work heavily with Adobe software. Some computers are offline all the time.

 

[Charcoalwerks]

Little Snitch is a software outgoing firewall for Mac OS X. It can be used to monitor applications, preventing or permitting them to connect to the Internet through advanced rules.

 

[Badagri]

http://blogs.office.com/b/office-ne...e-subscriptions-progressive-or-premature.aspx

 

[calaverasgrande]

A friend who works for a big design firm told me that this may either be a huge annoyance or major problem for them because their workstations for video and design work are purposely offline. They just bought a copies of CS 6 and will be keeping those for a long long time.

Same here. I work in a large broadcast facility. We consider our Mac graphics dpet to be part of the "on air" equipment along with our Avid Newscutter, Chyron and Dalet systems.
As such none of these systems is allowed to use USB drives (we have USB locks on the ports) and all are prohibited from web access.
Makes it kind of tedious to update software.
Also negates ANY subscription based auth mechanism.

 

[nburwell]

Photoshop is really the only app that I use on a regular basis. I'm not a pro photographer by any means, but it appears, for now, that CS6 will be my last upgrade. From what I'm reading, I don't want to pay $20/month to rent Photoshop CC. The new features that have been introducted thus far do seem pretty interesting. But once again, I'm a hobbyist, so I would really have to justify the fact that I'm purely "renting" this application from Adobe rather than owning it like I have with previous Photoshop updates.

 

[MacGuru100]

adobe has LOST ITS MIND,

there is an alternative for all their programs EXCEPT Acrobat.

Ive spent a fortune with them, but they will NOT have me paying a monthly RENTAL charge

they can kiss my arse, sad sad sad SAD pathetic scum they are.


As for the endless 10,000s of people who do creative work in 3rd world countries with NO www connection and their license "times out", this is going to destroy Adobe as a go to platform for photo editing.


As someone who has bought a TON of Adobe software (not stolen it off torrents),...i can say that Adobe has LOST ITS MIND, period.

This is a fear reaction against its CS6 and other wares being pirated online.

Great, fixes THAT problem, but a TON of people are not going to "rent wares off the cloud".

Pure unquestionable insanity on their part.

 

[Baklava]

I use a laptop on location to photograph and edit home interiors. How will this work without an internet connection? Am I missing something? Will photoshop still work without internet during the day?
Will I need to pay for mobile tethering? And then how much data will I be using up on my cell phone data plan? I get really bad signal in many houses. Just surfing the internet on my phone can be monotonous!

I am really dreading this! I seriously need to figure out a new profession. Life is getting more difficult.

The way CC works was described so often in this thread alone. To repeat it: no internet connection is required to use these applications. Just once in a month for checking the licence. I am a CC member and very, very satisfied.

 

[MacGuru100]

As answered dozens of times in this thread, license check is 1 time a month. Beside that check (<1 minute & a few kb) you don't need to be online at all to use Adobe CC.

Sorry, you DONT GET IT. There are endless 1000s of people using Adobe in the field or live in 3rd world countries with NO www access

Tell them to "check in" every month,.

 

[cheesymogul]

I'm a 54 year old self employed graphic designer.
Assuming I'll make it to 80, just to keep my private creative work accessible and being able to tinker around once in awhile when I'm retired will cost me 21'840 Swiss Francs. Inflation adjustment or price increases not included.

With hard copy options still available, I would probably have to buy only three more Design Premium or Standard Suites for the rest of my life.

These bastards know exactly this will be a life-long commitment for most of us!!! Which genuinely creative person will stop being creative after retiring?
If you are in your twenties or thirties now, just do your math how much it will cost you to use you creative tools till you drop dead. And then let me know if you still think this CC scam is such a good deal!

Unfortunately (or hopefully for some) traditional print media is becoming more and more irrelevant and then Adobe will suffer a painful death. Because this is the only field where Adobe still is outstanding and without genuine competition and thus has taken the whole printing industry hostage. Acrobat is Adobe's true backbone technology.

For web design, video/multimedia production there are already several viable options on the market and as soon as the complicated CMYK baggage of Photoshop no longer will be needed, future more sophisticated versions of Pixelmator et al will probably do our photo editing jobs just fine.
Illustrator I always found rather tedious and lame. Any ambitious and committed vector program developer could probably beat that.

 

[jasonvp]

For what little it may be worth, one recommendation is to contact Adobe through their "Feature Request" page. Let them know your thoughts on software rental vs perpetual licensing.

The form is here.

jas

 

[Chupa Chupa]

But once again, I'm a hobbyist, so I would really have to justify the fact that I'm purely "renting" this application from Adobe rather than owning it like I have with previous Photoshop updates.

Yes, I'm in the same position. I upgraded from CS3 Web Extended to CS6 Design Extended last year, and there is the rub -- I don't need to have the very latest version. I buy the upgrade version for say $800 and use it for 4 years. The amortized cost is $16 per month. That's doable for me. $49/mo changes the story line though.

But there are not too many of us "hobbyists" out there to catch Adobe's attention. Plus there are viable prosumer alternatives. This is clearly a move at the true pro market where there is less competition and fewer eager people to learn new software. So Adobe has 'em. I imagine the squeeze will really be on the small house shops as the big ones can negotiate the price down and probably like the concept of smaller monthly outlays vs giant ones every 2 years.

As a trend though I think its terrible and guessing its going to cause more pirating, not less.

 

[Cavepainter]

It is much more reasonable to pay a small amount per month than it is to fork over $2,599 at this very second. Think about that will you? Why are car leases popular?

Bad comparison. For one, when you lease a car, you have the option of purchasing it outright for a fair market value when your lease ends. Because you have been slowly paying money towards the principal. With Adobe, however, there is absolutely NO purchase option for leased CC software. EVER. No matter how much or how many years you have been paying. 20 years later, after leasing for 50 bucks a month (or more), you will have paid a small fortune for this software, and yet you STILL don't own anything. You will have far far exceeded that $2599.

This is the equivalent of renting a car or a home. You get to be in a nicer car or in a nicer home than you can afford short term, but you are not building equity towards a purchase and the day you stop paying, you have NOTHING.

Ask yourself this- if leasing is so great, why isn't EVERYONE leasing? I mean c'mon, you get to drive a brand new car for a "small amount per month" as you put it. Well, at some point, the cost of your lease will overtake the cost of buying. From that point forward, you begin to dig yourself a deep hole.

Have you ever sat down with a calculator and added it all up long term?

Amazing car companies even sell one new car a year, right? Why is everyone so stupid, right?

DO THE MATH.

 

[emersive]

This is my biggest complaint as well. I was doing the math yesterday and it makes me furious that I will likely spend over $40,000 in my life time on CC and I will never end up owning anything. It seems like a complete rip-off. To spend $40,000 dollars and not own anything is seriously crazy.

Bad comparison. For one, when you lease a car, you have the option of purchasing it outright for a fair market value when your lease ends. Because you have been slowly paying money towards the principal. With Adobe, however, there is absolutely NO purchase option for leased CC software. EVER. No matter how much or how many years you have been paying. 20 years later, after leasing for 50 bucks a month (or more), you will have paid a small fortune for this software, and yet you STILL don't own anything. You will have far far exceeded that $2599.

This is the equivalent of renting a car or a home. You get to be in a nicer car or in a nicer home than you can afford short term, but you are not building equity towards a purchase and the day you stop paying, you have NOTHING.

Ask yourself this- if leasing is so great, why isn't EVERYONE leasing? I mean c'mon, you get to drive a brand new car for a "small amount per month" as you put it. Well, at some point, the cost of your lease will overtake the cost of buying. From that point forward, you begin to dig yourself a deep hole.

Have you ever sat down with a calculator and added it all up long term?

Amazing car companies even sell one new car a year, right? Why is everyone so stupid, right?

DO THE MATH.

 

[jtrauscht]

Apps are good - The policy is awful.

... wow

I guess I will be clinging to my copy of cs6.

I have two questions

1) (having never used the online apps) how do they work? do you have too download anything or is it all simply login and use on any computer?

2) Didn't they just announce a beta for a new lightroom? I guess that will be there last one?

They are not web-based apps – the apps will still physically reside on your Mac – so don't worry about that. BUT they periodically ping the Adobe servers to make sure you are legit. If you stop paying them the subscription fee, you lose the ability to open any of your files! That is the part that infuriates me.

It's like they're becoming a software mafia ... "You want to have access to all that work you did? You gotta keep paying the piper, then, or else!"

 

[wildmac]

So you'd rather pay $3500 for a suit of software that will be considered "too old" in 3 years?

Their cloud structure allows me to buy software that is CONSTANTLY upgraded. AND if I have a big project that I need 3 extra seats for 2 months, I don't have to fork over over $10,000 to do so. It's only $300.

I love ADOBE's cloud system. It's great for people who don't steal software.

LOL, good thing you're in design, and not accounting.

First, you say software will be constantly upgraded.. umm.. sure it will. When was the last time Dreamweaver was really updated? And what happens when you don't want the updates they made? Oops! Of course, in your eyes, Adobe software is perfect.

Second, it's not $10,000k for 2 seats, It's more like $6,000 if you are taking the full master edition, or did you get your math wrong again?

Third, it's $360 for the first year, then $600 a year after that PER SEAT, so your 2nd year price for 2 seats is $1200, not your $300. (Or are you stealing that second seat? hmm...)

You are bad at math, aren't you?

Yes, the new program is great for those that use the full Master's Suite collection, but most users don't. For those that primarily use Photoshop, the deal sucks.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Like I said before, I would have no problem with CC if it weren't for 2 major problems with the Adobe's model: price and post-access

PRICE
To use a famous quote, "The rent is too damn high!"
In various calculations, we will be paying 1.5 to 2X more in given time-frames than what our upgrade costs were. With "leasing" a car, your monthly payment is significantly less that purchase loan payments for a reason, because you don't own anything at the end. Adobe needs to adjust their model pricing to reflect the fact that you don't own a license at the end of a term. If I'm not going to own a seat, then it better not cost me the same if not more.

POST-ACCESS
Because this is a "Pay-To-Play" scheme, once you stop paying, you loose access to those applications, which in turn locks you out of most formats throughout their programs. Adobe needs to provide READERS for their applications so people in post-subscription can open, view, print and save-as any files generated in CC apps.

My other concern is file compatibility, as we have multiple clients spread out from CS3 to CS6. This is further muddying the already confusing "version soup" in the creative services market. In a perfect world, everyone would be on the same version, but reality proves to be far from that. I've used Soxy to combat version confusion, but ran into issues. Honestly, I would like to see Adobe address this issue so when I double-click on a document, it opens in the right version.

As of now, we'll put off CC for as long as we can. But once a client goes, so shall we. Anyway, thats my 2¢.

 

[Sarmiento]

Not Like the Boxed Versions

I currently have CS5 and it allows you install and use on two computers without restrictions. With the new CC method you can install it on two computers but you can't use the same application at the same time.

My wife and I use the same applications regularly on both computers so this will be a big issue. The only solution is to pay more for a team account.

The other option of having one computer not connected to the Internet isn't going to work since we need to be "connected" to access our files on a NAS.