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Adobe CEO Responds to Steve Jobs' 'Thoughts on Flash'
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The trouble with that approach is: who's going to pay for all the iPhone and iPad returns from owners peeved at horrid battery life and boggy performance?
Flash makes my battery life fromto
And i'm using Adobe's newest 10.1 RC.
However, running Flash on Windows doesn't make my battery life drop at all.
Explain that Adobe. And no, I don't want to buy a new computer.
Apple's API blows.
The Windows API is far more friendly to development and gives developers access to core OS functions. Apple limits access to all but themselves, ensuring that they always can get a leg up on anyone if they choose to create their own program on the Mac to take over the market.
Flash on the Mac is a hog because Apple doesn't give Adobe the proper tools to make it more efficient with the CPU.
This is all part of Apple's Big Brother, closed box approach. Though they themselves aren't very good at programming with a more open API or even porting. iTunes on Windows is a massive hog and Safari is a problem child. They have set it up in their own OS for their own programs to be successful, but they hinder others.
And Steve Jobs needs to stop attacking Adobe for an apparently closed system. He should talk. Where else can you get apps for the iPhone or the iPad other than the App Store? And how easy is it to use the iPod with something other than iTunes? How easy is it to attach a different media player not made by Apple to iTunes?
I don't have a problem with Apple creating closed environments, but Steve Jobs dumping on other people for doing something his company does is just crazy.
Apple has limited the options of their customers across the board. If the customers choose that, then fine. But don't criticize others for something that is closed.
You think Flash is a hog? Why don't you give Adobe better access to the core of your system and help them improve it on the Mac instead of bitching?
But Lil' Stevie only wants to use this as an excuse to force everyone to do what he wants so that Apple can have control instead of Adobe. My bet is he was just hoping that Adobe would pull Creative Suite so he could sell Apple made products that did the same thing to Apple cultists who are so addicted to Apple that they need some kind of an Apple methadone to get off it.
that sounds similar to what goes on in our presidential election debate all the time. none of the 2 candidates respond/give a rebuttal to the issues raised by the other side
An Application, written with code for any platform, is NOT the web. It's not vague and it's not "cunning tautology". Anyone can choose to buy any physical device they want that has rules and regs for how to develop for it. What Steve Jobs believes is that all of the CONTENT on the internet should be open standard for all, regardless of what device you use, regardless of his motive.
If you don't agree with his motives or beliefs, that's your opinion, and we all have one but he's not being coy. It's pretty straight up. I think it would be pretty stupid for any corporation, that is in it to win it, to have a complete open standard in regards to how software is written for their PLATFORM (i.e. OS). You see how well Linux is doing. (Linux users would disagree, but of course they would.)
You might also want a pink toaster oven, but that doesn't mean "company A" should be forced to make them that way. Although, "company B" might make pink toaster ovens of which you have every right to buy one. What don't you people get about this concept. If a product doesn't have something you want, why the hell are you buying it?
So you can go write your own flash player and sell it? Go for it, I am sure Adobe will not mind at all.. As others have pointed out several competing products like Silverlight were able to play the same video with much better performance than flash. I am sure this is where the uninformed will mention gnash. Perhaps you are suggesting Apple (a huge corporation with very deep pockets) should attempt to dance around this legal loophole like the gnash developers:
Adobe ignores Gnash because it is harmless. They would certainly be looking for Apple to pay royalties if they decided to create their own iPhone/iPad Flash player. You should go read Adobe licensing agreements before you come crowing about the openness of Flash.
I think this whole debate is just plain idiotic.
Even though I've never had an issue with flash player both on a mac and a e71, I certainly can't disprove the claims that problems exist, so let me just say this.
Undoubtedly, for common web tasks like video, navigation, etc.. flash is probably on its way out, that just seems inevitable due to the popularity of the iphone and ipad.
However, for a truly interactive, immersive and amazing experience on the web, flash is really hard to beat.
Until open standards can make something like
www.gettheglass.com
or
www.fff000.com
or
http://www.whitevoid.com/portfolio/
I don't think flash is going anywhere anytime soon.
Even though I've never had an issue with flash player both on a mac and a e71, I certainly can't disprove the claims that problems exist, so let me just say this.
Undoubtedly, for common web tasks like video, navigation, etc.. flash is probably on its way out, that just seems inevitable due to the popularity of the iphone and ipad.
However, for a truly interactive, immersive and amazing experience on the web, flash is really hard to beat.
Until open standards can make something like
www.gettheglass.com
or
www.fff000.com
or
http://www.whitevoid.com/portfolio/
I don't think flash is going anywhere anytime soon.
Thats awfully subjective of you. I happen to think that Cocoa is a fine set of API's and are a wonder to make apps in compared to .Net.
Any app can be optimized for a CPU without any libraries or tools whatsoever. Yes, the Linux kernel is so fast because they use super fast optimizing libraries at the hardware level.
Arguments like yours fall apart at the seams because of projects like VLC and Silverlight. If there is such an apparent lack of access to the OS for video playing why can these projects easily out do Flash.
Oh and...
Two points. It will happen and how would flash allow you to play gettheglass on a device without a mouse. The game would need significant rewriting anyway (If you have actually played any of the mini-games in it, you would understand).
Adobe Will Be Fine...
Doubt it. Given the amount of pricey Photoshop licenses I'm forced to order for my office of designers/developers every other second, I'm certain Adobe could thrive off our business alone.
Doubt it. Given the amount of pricey Photoshop licenses I'm forced to order for my office of designers/developers every other second, I'm certain Adobe could thrive off our business alone.
Great Idea
That would definitely be a programmatic possibility and brilliant - you should tip Adobe off. The major con is that Apple would likely try to thwart it eventually in a software update.
That would definitely be a programmatic possibility and brilliant - you should tip Adobe off. The major con is that Apple would likely try to thwart it eventually in a software update.
Any examples?
Link? Evidence?
Has anyone that calls Apple "Big Brother" actually read "1984"?
The web.
Very easy.
http://www.getsongbird.com/
Very easy.
http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/media/mediasync.jsp
If dumping is the same as choosing not to support.
Where did he criticize Adobe for being closed. He simply listed it as a reason that they do not choose to support the Flash Player.
They did.
https://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/2...coding-of-h-264-in-flash-and-other-platforms/
But Adobe's complaint about lack of support for hardware acceleration only applies to video. What's the excuse for the rest of Flash being a hog?
Open standards are not controlled by Apple. The only thing Apple is controlling is the product that they offer for sale.
Flash is also a dog on Linux too. Can't blame that on lack of documentation.
Apple tries to keep developers from using undocumented and deeply internal API calls because they don't want Cocoa to be hamstrug like Win32 was/is. Continually supporting really lousy code because programmers are too lazy to code something properly sucks.
(Chrome with out spellchecking is really irritating me. I don't care how bad the memory leaks in Firefox are; I might go back.)
A whole 100 apps were created in Flash? That's sooo many. He's right, Adobe/Flash are so important to the App Store.
Give it up, man. Apple doesn't want Flash, Apple's customers don't want Flash, no one wants Flash. Just kill it off and give it up already. HTML5 FTW.
Give it up, man. Apple doesn't want Flash, Apple's customers don't want Flash, no one wants Flash. Just kill it off and give it up already. HTML5 FTW.
After 3.6 Firefox's memory leaks aren't as bad, not even noticeable. I saw a benchmark recently that put Chrome's memory usage in the Gigabytes territory.
A whole 100 apps were created in Flash? That's sooo many. He's right, Adobe/Flash are so important to the App Store.
Give it up, man. Apple doesn't want Flash, Apple's customers don't want Flash, no one wants Flash. Just kill it off and give it up already. HTML5 FTW.
I like flash. Flash games are fun
Please don't speak for other people.
Apple's software team has a lot more to look after than a select few design Apps where most of the enhancements were just previous plugins.
Thin about it, it takes a Linux dev team 6 months to put together a new distro, yet all they're essential doing is repackaging existing software.
Adobe is loosing already!
ADBE down 0.51 already and let's see if that's a ongoing trend~
ADBE down 0.51 already and let's see if that's a ongoing trend~
ADBE down 0.51 already and let's see if that's a ongoing trend~
Fanboys can be nasty, brainless little pricks. I suppose they are also much of the dumb money chasing Apple's stock, now that the insiders cashed in.
How quickly they forget that Apple lived another day in the 90s mostly because of Adobe's grace. If Adobe had even hinted that they would abandon the platform, Apple would have been sold for scrap, and Jobs would have been sitting on a pile of worthless Next assets.
But hey, things change. I have become deeply disillusioned with Apple, and with Steve Jobs. Evidently it is true that ultimate power corrupts ultimately.
Umm, who are you kidding. Apple completely IGNORED Apple in the 90s.
http://thesmallwave.com/adobe-slaps-intelligent-humans-in-the-face