You are right, it is not Adobes fault! It is S.J. fault, because he developed Linux under the false name "Linus Torvalds". At least that is what Adobe says.
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Adobe CEO Responds to Steve Jobs' 'Thoughts on Flash'
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Adobe's CEO just created an army of anti-adobe fanboys by saying it's OSX that is the problem. Why is it then that the only time something crashes on OSX it's flash. I swear it's the most unstable POS software used today. Windows is better then flash!
Flash is garbage and I'm not rolling!
Has anyone been on Nike's site recently?
All that flash makes for a horrible user experience. Either on my Mac or the pc that flash is like trying to walk in thigh high mud.
Has anyone been on Nike's site recently?
All that flash makes for a horrible user experience. Either on my Mac or the pc that flash is like trying to walk in thigh high mud.
I think these two boys should be locked in a room together and serenaded with country music until they either work out their differences or go Brokeback Mountain with each other.
What I love about this pissing match is that Adobe and Apple are all for "open" as long as it's their version of open. Or, to put it as someone did on Slashdot, Open + Proprietary ≠ Open.
What I love about this pissing match is that Adobe and Apple are all for "open" as long as it's their version of open. Or, to put it as someone did on Slashdot, Open + Proprietary ≠ Open.
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It's exactly what I said in the other thread.
Apple wants the iPhone to be unique. Adobe wants all cell phones to look and act the same.
And that's great for Adobe, if it happens.
But I, for one, will keep buying iPhones if that's what he plans on doing to all the Android and RIM phones. I'm amused to see he thinks most consumers will agree with him over me. I'm not sure that they will.
Will Win Out, my rosy red a**
"...he believes that multi-platform solutions like Adobe's will win out."
Not with me it won't. And everyone I know who has an opinion on this issue thinks Flash is a pile of crap. When I've told people about Click-To-Flash (those who didn't already know), their eyes bug out and they say "Really?!?!", and jump at the first chance they get to install it.
So Mr. Adobe, you haven't created a fine piece of software if people jump at the chance to work around it.
"...he believes that multi-platform solutions like Adobe's will win out."
Not with me it won't. And everyone I know who has an opinion on this issue thinks Flash is a pile of crap. When I've told people about Click-To-Flash (those who didn't already know), their eyes bug out and they say "Really?!?!", and jump at the first chance they get to install it.
So Mr. Adobe, you haven't created a fine piece of software if people jump at the chance to work around it.
The solution to this mess?
Apple buys Adobe. Kills Flash. Makes The CS6 Suite Mac only and free with all new Mac computers by being part of iLife 2012.
DONE.
Apple buys Adobe. Kills Flash. Makes The CS6 Suite Mac only and free with all new Mac computers by being part of iLife 2012.
DONE.
Quote of the day. Finally something that sucks more than Windows.
Ballmer and Gates must be loving this. They finally aren't the biggest tools on the block.
There are 2 issues with flash...
1. playing flash content over the web
2. using flash as a development platform and exporting as apps
#1 could be fixed by adobe working their tails off to make a stable plugin for OSX and Iphone os... which has yet to happen
#2 shouldn't be changed...
developers need to understand the code that they are writing for, and how the platform operates. Anytime that you use a program to export code it ends up being filled with junk.... which makes the program perform at a lower level than what it could if you use clean code. End users don't make the connection that a developer made mistakes they just think that stuff runs slow. Apple has every right to dictate what apps go into their store and how those apps are created. Especially when it affects their end user experience.
1. playing flash content over the web
2. using flash as a development platform and exporting as apps
#1 could be fixed by adobe working their tails off to make a stable plugin for OSX and Iphone os... which has yet to happen
#2 shouldn't be changed...
developers need to understand the code that they are writing for, and how the platform operates. Anytime that you use a program to export code it ends up being filled with junk.... which makes the program perform at a lower level than what it could if you use clean code. End users don't make the connection that a developer made mistakes they just think that stuff runs slow. Apple has every right to dictate what apps go into their store and how those apps are created. Especially when it affects their end user experience.
Not a developer?
Plugins run native code....any time you link in a native library (DLL or .SO file on UNIX/Linux) you run the risk of that native code bringing down the entire process..... One bad use of a pointer and kaboom!
Nothing you can do about unless you run the plugin in a separate process and use inter-process communication. I can't imagine how bad performance would be on that -- but maybe I am wrong since I have not developed a Web browser plugin.
Plugins run native code....any time you link in a native library (DLL or .SO file on UNIX/Linux) you run the risk of that native code bringing down the entire process..... One bad use of a pointer and kaboom!
Nothing you can do about unless you run the plugin in a separate process and use inter-process communication. I can't imagine how bad performance would be on that -- but maybe I am wrong since I have not developed a Web browser plugin.
SVG is gonna replace Flash, right as soon as someone decides to make a creation tool comparable to Flash.
EDIT: NVM, found one... http://www.ikivo.com/animator/index.html or http://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/MadSwatter
and Demos...
http://webkit.org/blog-files/animation-demo.svg
http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/dock/index.svg
http://archive.dojotoolkit.org/nightly/dojotoolkit/dojox/charting/tests/test_pie2d.html
http://www.treebuilder.de/default.asp?file=863659.xml
EDIT: NVM, found one... http://www.ikivo.com/animator/index.html or http://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/MadSwatter
and Demos...
http://webkit.org/blog-files/animation-demo.svg
http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/dock/index.svg
http://archive.dojotoolkit.org/nightly/dojotoolkit/dojox/charting/tests/test_pie2d.html
http://www.treebuilder.de/default.asp?file=863659.xml
Flashblock. You should check out Firefox's plugin and extension mechanism - much more open than Safari's, whence all the hacks which break between upgrades.
I am sick of all these people assuming hulu wants their product on mobile devices.
Clue: They Don't
Mobile devices will be part of their "premium" offering.
I would have thought this was quite clear for some time now.
The same goes for media extenders (ala the boxee debacle) and pretty much any other type of platform that is not a laptop/desktop.
Karl P
How can he say that Flash is an open standard? I'm thinking the CEO of Adobe doesn't know the meaning of the term "open standard".
I hate Flash and have from day one. Nothing new for me. I've been railing against it for a decade. But Apple needs Adobe. Walk into any ad agency anywhere on the planet and there's probably a 99.9% chance they're running Adobe Creative Suite on Apple computers.
I hate Flash and have from day one. Nothing new for me. I've been railing against it for a decade. But Apple needs Adobe. Walk into any ad agency anywhere on the planet and there's probably a 99.9% chance they're running Adobe Creative Suite on Apple computers.
I also think this guy will have a LOT more room to talk once all the other cell phones actually have full Flash on them like Adobe keeps promising.
Why don't you come back AFTER that happens so you actually have something to talk about?
Why don't you come back AFTER that happens so you actually have something to talk about?
Your birthday is in June too?! Sweet. All I want is a iPhone 4. I can get CS5 from... yea, it's implied.
Highly doubt Adobe can deliver a re written Flash by June. Unless you mean June 2020...
hrmmmm.....
I have access to machines running 3 different linux versions, BSD, 4 windows versions and 3 OS X versions. They have at least 9 different browsers between them (but I would have to think too hard to get an exact count) and flash destroys the performance on every single one of them.
Who knew Apple had so much power that they single handedly make flash such a dog on some many platforms!
I have access to machines running 3 different linux versions, BSD, 4 windows versions and 3 OS X versions. They have at least 9 different browsers between them (but I would have to think too hard to get an exact count) and flash destroys the performance on every single one of them.
Who knew Apple had so much power that they single handedly make flash such a dog on some many platforms!
I heard this is similar but not quite as good. Flashblock.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.1-update1; en-gb; Nexus One Build/ERE27) AppleWebKit/530.17 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/530.17)
Why not forget all this iPhone/iPod touch/iPad flash bollocks and release it on the platforms that allow it?
If it turns out to be fantastic, great. If it turns out utter crap, Steve was right.
Less speak, more action Adobe. Show Android, Symbian, Blackberry OS and WebOS running flash flawlessly and prove Steve wrong if you can.
Why not forget all this iPhone/iPod touch/iPad flash bollocks and release it on the platforms that allow it?
If it turns out to be fantastic, great. If it turns out utter crap, Steve was right.
Less speak, more action Adobe. Show Android, Symbian, Blackberry OS and WebOS running flash flawlessly and prove Steve wrong if you can.
I love how he dismissed most of Steve's criticisms without offering any insight as to how Steve was wrong.
I totally agree. Jobs doesn't have the right to talk about "open standards" as long as he's selling the world's most closed devices.