Let us be a bit careful and make a distinction between trashing Flash and trashing Adobe. There are a lot of Adobe loyalists who are also Apple loyalists. And we need not personalize this to the two CEOs. As SJ said, the two companies go a long way back in terms of growing up together.
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Adobe CEO Responds to Steve Jobs' 'Thoughts on Flash'
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perhaps, we should consider joining this:
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So, let me get this straight. Job's picks a fight with Adobe because of Adobe's poorly written proprietary software which ruins the web browsing experience for many computer users and people compare Job's to Microsoft because of that?
If the outcome of this debacle is that Flash is improved and facing increasing competition, everyone who uses the web will benefit from these events.
Despite that, some people have the audacity to compare Apple to Microsoft? That doesn't make any sense.
Microsoft would happily ruing the computing experience of other people in order to promote Microsoft. Apple is not doing that in this case.
The hyperbolic nature of the reaction to Apple standing up for it's customer base seems to underscore just how guilty Adobe is of under-serving its customer base.
Let me know when Apple stops innovating and focuses purely on market share, letting others do the hard work and then simply copying new features into their next OS. At that point, you can start making the Microsoft comparisons.
If the outcome of this debacle is that Flash is improved and facing increasing competition, everyone who uses the web will benefit from these events.
Despite that, some people have the audacity to compare Apple to Microsoft? That doesn't make any sense.
Microsoft would happily ruing the computing experience of other people in order to promote Microsoft. Apple is not doing that in this case.
The hyperbolic nature of the reaction to Apple standing up for it's customer base seems to underscore just how guilty Adobe is of under-serving its customer base.
Let me know when Apple stops innovating and focuses purely on market share, letting others do the hard work and then simply copying new features into their next OS. At that point, you can start making the Microsoft comparisons.
Its totally Apple's fault for closed APIs, the moment something is released, Adobe jumped right on it, but they can only do so much given the walled garden of Apple. Why Windows Flash is so much better is because Microsoft is pretty much an open book with plenty of ways for developers to hook into the OS.
http://blog.kaourantin.net/?p=89
Took them 2 weeks to produce a working beta after the API was released by Apple, if they had this before, Flash would be working a lot better on OSX.
Apple needs to break down its walls, if it wants to be anything more than a small niche of the pie vs. the MS dominated world.
A separate process can use shared memory. But a typical plugin doesn't need to transfer much data to/from the browser proper anyway, so it's a moot point. Most browsers are just poorly written from a stability PoV (one of many reasons Apple don't use the browser as an app delivery platform).
Multi-platform is not "OPEN" -- it just means you run everywhere. They want their platform to run everywhere so everybody can run on their closed platform. Do "Flash" apps run in anything but Flash? What's the difference here?
"OPEN" would mean donating "Flash" to the community so anybody could make their own implementation. And Adobe would differentiate by trying to make the best one. And yes, Flash is piss-poor and some of those platforms (including Linux).
Donating Flash is Adobe's only chance of saving it in my opinion, but I'm not even sure if that will help since its usually the first sign of defeat.
I too have experienced problems with Flash driving my cpu - and for that reason I wouldn't mind if a better alternative would emerge. But what bothers me about all of this is that it's not my decision as to whether I have it on my mobile device or not .. and that's not good!
Basically, If I want to give an iPad to my mother, I shouldn't have to worry about her not being able to properly display certain (many) sites.
Basically, If I want to give an iPad to my mother, I shouldn't have to worry about her not being able to properly display certain (many) sites.
The real test is when Android has it up and running. Then we can all see how it performs on a top mobile OS. If it performs very well, Apple's in trouble. If it fails, then Adobe's in trouble.
screw Adobe!! dont support them! you are not a human being if you like adobe. That means you do not deserve to live on this planet!!
This winds me right up and shows he has such a little grasp of the issues. He doesn't understand his company's products.
There's a big difference between Flash writing out a .ipa file and the iPhone's CPU having to churn through a flash binary.
He should have read the comments and thought for a second. Adobe doesn't get to define open to suit their purposes.
Where do they try to claim that the App store and App development for the iPhone and iPad is open?
You're probably trying to point to this:
They claim that they promote open web standards like HTML5, CSS and Javascript. I'm preeeeetty sure that in the first line they admit that the iPhone OS is proprietary.
so, let me get this straight. to apple, open standards means that the standards are arrived at by a non-corporate collective that allows anyone to write to them regardless of the application, platform or OS. to adobe, open standards means that the standards may be arrived at and controlled by a corporation, for profit, so long as they allow customers to develop products that can be used on all platforms or operating systems.
is that really what adobe is arguing here? if so, they're delusional.
is that really what adobe is arguing here? if so, they're delusional.
This guy is clueless. He is correct in that consumers will be the ultimate decision makers. He's the ultimate moron if he doesn't realize consumers have already decided. Apple dominates every category of mobile computing. It's not even close. That game is over. They have already lost. Consumers have already decided.
if you own Adobe stock, time to sell with clowns like this at the helm.
if you own Adobe stock, time to sell with clowns like this at the helm.
Ha!!! LOVE it! LOL. No creative person worth their salt (whatever that means) uses a PC anyway. And Apple has the cash.
A device is not the same thing as the web (which is what everyone is talking about).
No one anywhere, ever, claimed that Apple devices were open. Stop arguing against something no one ever said.
Jobs is talking about web standards. Completely different thing. He has every right to complain.
Unless your mother heavily traffics adult entertainment sites, I think you're ok.
Flash is a open system?
What in the hell is this guy talking about? Flash an open system, no one says that not even Adobe supporters, this guy is just lying now to save face. Even Steve Jobs said that the iphone OS was a closed system and so is flash. This guy is an idiot and he is driving Adobe into the ground.
What in the hell is this guy talking about? Flash an open system, no one says that not even Adobe supporters, this guy is just lying now to save face. Even Steve Jobs said that the iphone OS was a closed system and so is flash. This guy is an idiot and he is driving Adobe into the ground.
See:
Steve Jobs said:
Jobs is deliberately using the vague phrase "pertaining to" to create a tautology: everything that Jobs implements using HTML/CSS/Javascript is "pertaining to" the web, whereas everything he decides not to is not "pertaining to" the web. In fact, there's a whole load on the iPhone (Apple and 3rd party) which could be implemented using W3C standards and involves Internet connectivity, i.e. "pertains to" the web, but is provided via proprietary client software written in Cocoa.
remember the iphones that exploded in people pockets.... they actually were jail broken phones that pulled up flash sites and put them in their pockets running in the background.
lol jk
Let's have a Celebrity Deathmatch between Steve Jobs and Shantanu Narayen!
Let's get it on!
Too many vowels!
Care to back that up with real statistics? Last time I checked, Apple was still 2 places behind from being market leader.