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Adobe CEO Responds to Steve Jobs' 'Thoughts on Flash'
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This may not be as far fetched as it seems at first blush...remember Apple now sells high-end digital audio workstation software packages (Logic Studio) and high-end digital video software packages (Final Cut Studio) which were both once owned by third parties. Apple essentially decided that it was important for them to be able to develop the software needed for two industries where they had a large market share of computer sales (music and video industries respectively). I have wondered why they had not done the same thing with graphics, photography (which they have begun with Aperture) and desktop publishing. Perhaps if Adobe's stock tanks over their "at all costs" battle to force Flash onto Apple products, Apple will make the move.
I was mid way through typing a reply to this, but flash in another safari window made my computer run at about 200 degrees and then crash.
What?
Steve Jobs said in his letter that the iphone OS is a close system, he is talking about open web standards which Apple actually does embrace and Adobe does not.
Steve Jobs said in his letter that the iphone OS is a close system, he is talking about open web standards which Apple actually does embrace and Adobe does not.
Mr. Adobe is milking the PR for all he can get.
He sees the death of a portion of his business (remember their annual shareholder warnings...) and is doing whatever he can to stay significant for a little longer while his shares vest.
Steve's next play is to let it sink in for a while. He's got a vision and remember, his vision made the company what it is today. You don't just roll over and cave in to everything you fought against this long.
Mr. Adobe's lame argument style is not actually refuting each point, but focusing on some twisted tangental logic, which explains a lot with how that product evolved.
He sees the death of a portion of his business (remember their annual shareholder warnings...) and is doing whatever he can to stay significant for a little longer while his shares vest.
Steve's next play is to let it sink in for a while. He's got a vision and remember, his vision made the company what it is today. You don't just roll over and cave in to everything you fought against this long.
Mr. Adobe's lame argument style is not actually refuting each point, but focusing on some twisted tangental logic, which explains a lot with how that product evolved.
I usually can't skip a message like this without acknowledging your humor, I'm laughing LTD, well done :]
He may have a vision, but Apple still has less than 10% of the computer market...
ADOBE IS DEAD, nobody cares about them anymore...Shantanu should be glad if Apple decides to use some spare change in order to buy them out and put that ****** company out of its misery.
They truly deserve it, and SJ definitely delivered a clear message today...without Apple, Adobe wouldn't even exist in the first place.
If people actually read the Steve Jobs letter they would have known that he is comparing web technologies. He never says that the App Store is an open platform.
You're right, but I'm not saying that either. I'm just saying that it's hypocritical to use open standards as an excuse when you don't care for openness at all. Jobs doesn't give a **** about open standards, except to use it as an excuse to defend his decision. A decision that is solely based on user lockin and making money!
Why would you think that? Please explain how Apple is working against open web standards.
You honestly can't tell the difference between something that is on the web and something that is not?
Flash content on web pages is on the web. The iPhone OS is not on the web.
That's very, very clearly what Jobs means. How is that vague?
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Stop all the Apple buying Adobe talk. Apple only buys viable businesses that they can bring into the fold and use. HP is the one who buys the epic failures.
Adobe is a software developer. Isn't it their job to write code?? Why are they complaining about having to code? That's their job. With every step Apple has taken over the last decade, Adobe has complained that they would have to rewrite too much code. As a software developer, that is your job, to write code!!
Apple announced the path forward on OS X almost a decade ago. OS X's future was Cocoa development (based on NeXT Objective-C). It was only when dinosaur developers like Adobe, Macromedia, Microsoft and a few others pissed and moaned about rewriting code that Apple developed Carbon to ease the transition. They basically wrote Carbon for a handful of developers albeit some of the largest.
Later Apple said developers would have to move off things like CodeWarrior and move to XCode for Intel compatibility. Again, bitching and whining because some hadn't switched.
So a decade later, the last remaining developer has to finally move to Cocoa. BFD! Had they followed Apple's lead, this would never have been an issue. There are a ton of OS X developers who have transitioned quite smoothly to each rev of the OS. But Adobe has fought it every time.
Adobe, give it up. You made the wrong decision a decade ago to NOT support the Mac natively, and never owned up to it.
Apple announced the path forward on OS X almost a decade ago. OS X's future was Cocoa development (based on NeXT Objective-C). It was only when dinosaur developers like Adobe, Macromedia, Microsoft and a few others pissed and moaned about rewriting code that Apple developed Carbon to ease the transition. They basically wrote Carbon for a handful of developers albeit some of the largest.
Later Apple said developers would have to move off things like CodeWarrior and move to XCode for Intel compatibility. Again, bitching and whining because some hadn't switched.
So a decade later, the last remaining developer has to finally move to Cocoa. BFD! Had they followed Apple's lead, this would never have been an issue. There are a ton of OS X developers who have transitioned quite smoothly to each rev of the OS. But Adobe has fought it every time.
Adobe, give it up. You made the wrong decision a decade ago to NOT support the Mac natively, and never owned up to it.
So the fact that Apple is one of the most aggressive proponents of open web standards doesn't matter. Interesting logic.
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Not much if their stock tanks because their will not face reality and develop new products that will be relevant going forward.
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Current market cap for ADBE is $18.5 billion, so apple could clear out about a quarter of it's cash reserves and pick up Adobe. While possible, its a bad idea, Adobe has nothing going for it.
Making Money? Of course this is captisalism
If you think Steve Jobs and Apple don't want to make money you are clueless, this is the United States companies are not there not to make money and Adobe is the same way, they lock users into their technology and make money off it.
If you think Steve Jobs and Apple don't want to make money you are clueless, this is the United States companies are not there not to make money and Adobe is the same way, they lock users into their technology and make money off it.