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Adobe Claims iPad Pro Has 4GB of RAM [Updated]
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Call me when it can natively run a terminal and let me being a root user
This thing is likely quad core as well. If everyone here can get over the fact that it was never going to run OSX, you'd realize this is the best device they announced Wednesday because, Apple pulled no punches with this one.
There is a flaw to using the AstroPad app for iPad Pro, should you attempt to try it. It would only work when you use it to pair with the desktop at home or the office utilizing the actual app's UI. In other words, should you be working on the full version of Adobe Photoshop or, say, Manga Studio EX 4, you're stuck with that environment using the AstroPad.
But when you decide to leave to continue to do your work at a cafe or private area. Guess what?
You can't work on the native files independently on the iPad Pro far away from the desktop environment when you can't access it. For true accuracy, you'll need to use the Apple Pencil exclusively for this. I don't own AstroPad but I'm leery about it's accuracy and latency. I'm used to my Intuos 4 which is a great work horse and fully programmable. Now if you had a laptop, that would be a very different situation and you can take the laptop and the iPad Pro, although it would not be any different than taking a small Wacom digitizer tablet and laptop to a cafe as I've done so many times ten years ago, using my old school Titanium G4 Powerbook ( remember those? ) and 4 x 5 tablet which was cumbersome.
I knew Apple could do better than that and the iPad was supposed to be the ultimate answer to it but isn't.
That, IMO, is the iPad Pro's biggest flaw right there. The inability to work on actual native files from professional applications. Apple's idea of Continuity between iOS and OS X was nice so users can move files back and forth, but there is a lack of ' continuity ' between iPad Pro apps and the professional applications. It would be quite bizarre to use a laptop and iPad Pro both at a cafe or public which is an anathema. iPad Pro with Procreate or Sketchbook Pro ( crippled iOS version, not desktop ) may be great for conceptualization phases or brainstorming. Nothing wrong with that. I do it all the time using my moleskine sketchbook by hand. I used to do it on the original iPad but it got tiring because of the lack of 'palm rejection' and the constant crashing when I work on a larger canvas. Quite annoying, I must say.
Especially if the iPad Pro's RAM is supposedly 2 GB. If it's 4GB as claimed, then that's pretty standard just like the Surface Pro has, starting out. I still question the pressure sensitivity levels of Apple Pencil and it's durability of the nib. I'm concerned that Apple might require users to buy an entirely new Pencil if the nib breaks down.
Being "best device they announced" is not the same as "worth spending money on".
Exactly.
I know I wasn't popular with a couple users yesterday, but I still think this is something Apple should do. Yep, my opinion, blast away.
Windows 10 does this with the SP3 (and other tablet pc's). When the keyboard is out it runs in normal desktop mode and when the keyboard is detached/flipped back it goes into "Tablet Mode". So you get a start menu and desktop or the "modern" start screen in tablet mode. (the feature is disabled by default and you can toggle between modes via button press). Windows "Modern" apps will run in a window when in desktop mode, and full screen in tablet mode.
iOS apps already run on OSX, via the simulator in the sdk. Apple can integrate this into OSX and provider native support for iOS apps and even work in tighter integration and interoperability between the two different systems. They'd have a tablet pc that instantly has more tablet apps then any windows one.
Sure, Windows on a tablet has its issues. HiDPI isn't quite there yet and many interface elements are small, not everything is very touch friendly, etc... however, both MS and Adobe have shown what can be done by offering "touch" versions of their interfaces for some of their native apps, and it works quite well.
The iPad is still a great touch interface, much better then the competition. There are many apps not available for Windows that would be useful (try to find a good vnc app for touch in windows.. if you know of one other then MochaVNC let me know). Air Parrot also doesn't do virtual desktops so the only way to push the screen via AirPlay is to change the resolution to 1920x1080 and then mirror it. Bleh. I would much rather have a device with real AirPlay support, iMessages, etc...
Mac developers also seem a lot better then Windows devs at getting on the latest bandwagon in terms using the latest SDK features. If Apple put OSX on a tablet and offered iOS style UI elements and integration for OSX apps, I'm sure that where applicable many would take advantage of that (I could be wrong, maybe I'm just hopeful).
I am one of those people and I'll be buying it on day one. this product is NOT for everybody. neither is Mac Pro or Macbook Pro. it doesn't mean Apple shouldn't make it. why is that so hard to understand? But there is a pretty big group of people (artists, education, enterprise) who'll want it and it will sell a few million a year. that's all it's meant to do.32GB is the new 16GB. For "professionals" that will definitely not be enough storage.
I wonder if this will sell well. A few people in these forums claimed to have been waiting for such a device, but outside of those few enthusiasts I can't see the general public rushing out to buy it. Apple can feel free to prove me wrong, though.
I think apple is targeting companies that already use a thin client as there and not true desktops. I know of a lot of places now that have giant VM farm where users just login remote and work. This is so they can use any terminal at any time and even work remote with the same desktop. This is perfect for an iPad pro if it has the ability to support a small mouse with the cover screen keyboard.
When did Apple claim the iPad mini 4 had 2GB of ram? Don't make stuff up because they never talk about ram in the iOS devices.
I think too many people are getting hung up on the branding and what that implies the product should be. Yes, it's branded as a Pro device and that implies some level of parity with devices like the Surface Pro or Macbook Pro. Ultimately though, those devices exist if you want them. What is the iPad Pro? It's simply a larger iPad - that's it. Apple listened to a large-ish subset of their customers and also released a stylus to use with it if they want, which is a good fit for the large display.
I personally think it's an interesting product, and I'm very interested in it. I like iOS and the simplicity of it as a mobile OS. It's fast and easy to use and the hardware feels much more "right" than full OS devices like the Surface Pro, which is burdened with Intel, fans, heat throttling, boot up and shut down times, etc. I like to be able to quickly launch apps designed for the device I'm using, and with the new multitasking features in OS9 this thing is really close to realizing the vision of the Courier demoed years ago. I think this type of product has broader appeal than many skeptics think.
Ultimately, whether I buy in gen 1 depends on things like RAM. I was an early adopter of the original iPad and the pitiful specs on that device rendered it useless way too quickly. I still managed to get four years out of it before I bought the original Air, but it was frustrating. I would hesitate to buy a gen 1 product again without knowing the actual specs and whether my $1k device will be useful in three years time. Even my Air is already missing out on key iOS 9 features due to lack of RAM. That's unacceptable to me and one of the reasons I have distanced myself from Apple a bit.
On the other hand, the stylus looks great, and if it performs as well as it looks, I want to support it and show Apple there is a market for that product. Unfortunately my experience tells me the device itself won't be as robust as it should be.
So I'm very torn. Want to see if the Surface Pro 4 has a fanless design, better software, and a better stylus (the SP3 stylus has wavy lines at slow speed - total deal breaker).
I personally think it's an interesting product, and I'm very interested in it. I like iOS and the simplicity of it as a mobile OS. It's fast and easy to use and the hardware feels much more "right" than full OS devices like the Surface Pro, which is burdened with Intel, fans, heat throttling, boot up and shut down times, etc. I like to be able to quickly launch apps designed for the device I'm using, and with the new multitasking features in OS9 this thing is really close to realizing the vision of the Courier demoed years ago. I think this type of product has broader appeal than many skeptics think.
Ultimately, whether I buy in gen 1 depends on things like RAM. I was an early adopter of the original iPad and the pitiful specs on that device rendered it useless way too quickly. I still managed to get four years out of it before I bought the original Air, but it was frustrating. I would hesitate to buy a gen 1 product again without knowing the actual specs and whether my $1k device will be useful in three years time. Even my Air is already missing out on key iOS 9 features due to lack of RAM. That's unacceptable to me and one of the reasons I have distanced myself from Apple a bit.
On the other hand, the stylus looks great, and if it performs as well as it looks, I want to support it and show Apple there is a market for that product. Unfortunately my experience tells me the device itself won't be as robust as it should be.
So I'm very torn. Want to see if the Surface Pro 4 has a fanless design, better software, and a better stylus (the SP3 stylus has wavy lines at slow speed - total deal breaker).
I don't think the iPad Pro's fate is held in IBM's hands. You're giving the SP3 too much credit. Nothing wrong with the SP3 (for the people that want one) but it's not going to outsell the iPad Pro. Watch the iPad Pro easily kill the SP3 in sales and marketshare. When you say, "For the rest of us we'll choose the SP3". Rest of whom? It's sales have been "meh" at best and Microsoft is still struggling to get more people interested in it.
Can't wait to get one to use as my main work device. I already use the office suite on my iPad 3. This larger screen, pencil and keyboard is exactly what I need. Kudos to Apple. Our CIO uses an iPad for all meetings and I am sure will jump on this.
If you don't like it, go post some where else. Hell will freeze over before I buy a Microsoft device.
If you don't like it, go post some where else. Hell will freeze over before I buy a Microsoft device.
Well let me quote from Phil Schiller on stage yesterday telling " We simply taken the power and performance from iPad Air 2 and built it in even smaller mini enclosure " ... iPad Air 2 has 3-core A8X and 2GB of RAM.... and iPad mini 4 has Dual core A8 from iPhone 6 which has only 1 GB of Ram... So That makes apples statement totally wrong..
The pricing is not for you. It's for those in the business world where the company is most likely buying it. You do realize Apple is heavily used in enterprise now. Almost all our execs and sales use ipads.
A teardown will reveal the truth. Maybe Apple slightly modified the specs.
ios and osx are practically the same at the core OS. There may be extra things like Touch in the iOS stack and a different GUI, but fundamentally the same OS.
You don't want OS X to be on a touch device since OS X wasn't designed for touch. However, this may change in the future with iPad Pro and iPhone x Plus
And the pro is even more niche. Larger, which is less portable, and it is double the price. It is probably the most niche device they have ever released.
But it is also very expensive. It is definitely not a device for a middle-class consumer. I could see the executive in my office who travels with a Surface Pro and an iPad thinking about this. He uses the Surface Pro for work because it is super light. Then he uses the iPad for the ease of iOS and Apple ecosystem.
But really I also see this as something of a niche product. Its sales numbers (which we will never directly know) should be compared on a percentage basis to the sales of other Apple top of the line Macs. Maybe not as niche as the Mac Pro. But something comparable in percentage to the folks who buy the maxed out Macbook Pros. Maybe artisists and designers will buy it for the pencil feature. But it will be folks who can justify it in their workflow. Or the very well to do who can justify it as something to leave by the couch for a bit of home web surfing.
This * 100. They said it was an iPad air made mini when its not at all. Apple without Jobs is a little more shady because Cooks background is all about margins.
I totally agree that it's about $200 more than anyone expected. But, it also has every feature you could have asked for (except OSX). Look at all the other iPads, Apple clearly has a problem delivering the best hardware at current prices. Makes sense considering that it costs much more to make an iPad than an iPhone, yet it's sold for so much less.
For example, I would gladly pay $200 more for an iPad mini with A9X chip with pencil/new keyboard support, and 4gb of ram.
Fragmentation time. Now you're going to get apps that need 4 gb of ram and won't run on ios devices with 2 or 1 gb of ram.
Apple doesn't want people to know how much ram the ipad pro has or else customers will feel they are buying obsolete devices with the iPhone 6 s.
Apple doesn't want people to know how much ram the ipad pro has or else customers will feel they are buying obsolete devices with the iPhone 6 s.
Apple obviously prefers their devices only have software that was designed specifically for them. This causes any software developers that want a piece of the pie to build their software from the ground up, rather than tweaking just a few things on their desktop application and calling it good enough. You can't make complex interfaces that work well with a mouse AND with your fingers. Apple realizes this and its the reason they were able to start this whole touch screen revolution. They surely weren't the first to attempt a touch screen device, but they were the ones that made it stick.
No No No. You're saying what sounds right in your head. That statement does not say the iPad mini has 2GB of ram. Period. Apple never talks about ram, that's a major assumption on your part and whomever else thought so.
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