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Adobe Claims iPad Pro Has 4GB of RAM [Updated]

Edgar Spayce said:
Adding the expensive price of a whole (and more accurate) Wacom tablet just for a stylus, on an also expensive tablet that has a 8 years old mobile OS...

Missed opportunity. Too much greed is okay when you have the vision of Steve Jobs, regular and actually useful innovations, great specs AND at least nice design. But the last Apple products are becoming way too abusive for even the most gullible, lobotomised customers to follow.

This keynote was disappointing, and I'm not sure last years surprising iPhone 6 and Apple Watch (which sold more than it should have for a weak and ugly product) results will be repeated in 2016.
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I love the way you state personal opinions as if they were undisputed facts. :rolleyes:

While you may have been disappointed, there are many out there, including myself, who are excited by Apple's continued innovation and most of us are neither gullible nor lobotomised.

I have a Wacom tablet and it is almost never used because it's just not the same thing to draw one place and have that "ink" appear somewhere else. Drawing on the screen itself with low-latency input is much better.

Why do you deride an "8 years old" operating system? Do you have any idea the investment in time and money it requires to create an OS? (I'm a developer so I at least have some idea) You definitely don't want to throw it away every few years and start again let me tell you that! 8 years is nothing, especially with the incremental way that Apple develop their OS and their willingness to drop legacy support when the time is right and keep renewing the codebase.

"Too much greed"? Huh? Apple are a company, and growing revenue and making profit is what they are "required" to do. The amount of business innovation and business-model innovation which they have conducted to get to where they are now is in many ways more impressive than their products. Listen to the Critical Path podcast with Horace Dediu if you want to learn about this aspect. Steve Jobs was a great CEO there is no doubt but many would argue (myself included) that Tim Cook is even better as a CEO and with the backing of most of the senior execs who cut their teeth under Steve's tenure, the company is still in great shape. Steve's vision lives on in those execs and everyone else at Apple.

By the way, 97% of customers (including me and my wife) are loving their "ugly" Apple Watches, and 2016 will see new records for revenue and profit I have no doubt.

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MRU said:
They should have also given you the moon on a stick too I take it ....


If you are objective and look at alternative devices in its category / and its target market then the price is very competitive.

It clearly isn't designed for you (and the others here critics of it) but surprisingly not everything they release has to be...

Likewise just because you may not be in the target market for it, doesn't make it a bad product.
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$99 for a plastic stylus and $149 for a rubber keyboard are hardly competitive, and where exactly did I say it was a bad product?
 
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4GB sounds good, considering all the extra screen real estate, it'll need more than the 2GB we have on the other iOS devices.
 
Gasu E. said:
I have to laugh at the 'ios is too limited" crowd. There's no limit to how powerful iOS can be. The problem is with you old fogies :p who are fixated on file systems. This is a 20th century computing paradigm. In 20 years your idea of computing will be relegated to niche use cases. The revolution has been underway for a while now.
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If this new 'paradigm' you're applauding is less useful, less flexible, walled off computers like the ipad, then I pray you're wrong. If you're right, then I blame people like you for accepting this crap.

Besides, you're defending the ipad compared to a computer based on what you think the ipad will be capable of in god knows how many years? We're talking about today, and compared to the the power and flexibilty of a computer today, the ipad is weak.
 
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Serban said:
Not anymore,ios9 you can do more it has multitasking/split view etc and i thing in the next 2 years iOS will be really complex and still private and not open source
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What a joke. I can't believe people actually like this comment.
Name one full features productivity app on the iPad.
You can't even safe files and move them around.
Using this productively, you just be kidding.
Spilt screen... Very funny.
 
MRU said:
And yet as an illustrator who has bought and used these 'superior' alternatives - the reality is that they often are flawed and not as great at the task as one would imagine. Until windows third party apps step up to hi DPI mode often apps are broken or flawed when used with windows DPI UI scaling. You then adjust this to 100-125% and the ui becomes so small that using the apps becomes an exercise in frustration navigating their toolbars and UI. Sketchbook Pro, Corel Painter and others are not optimised for windows and neither is windows at standard DPI scaling optimised for touch input. The reality is for many of us, iOS provides a far more optimised and workable solution than the supposed superior' alternative that you are touting.
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The argument isn't that Apple should run Windows on an iPad, it's that they should run OS X. OS X already deals with HiDPI better then Windows does. Look at the rMBP and the new iMac's. Many applications are already optimized for these displays. This basically means that OS X would be even better in tablet form then Windows is.
 
dannyyankou said:
What do you mean they "lied"? They said it has the A8 chip when they introduced it, and it does split view so it definitely has 2GB of ram.

Oh, and another important detail: The only purpose of the A8x chip is to power the larger screen, and the iPad mini 4 has a much smaller screen.
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The resolution is pretty much the same, why would they need a faster chip for larger pixels?
 
128GB LTE iPad Pro will cost $1,129 (£735) and you dont get a keyboard or stylus with it? What...the.....feck!?
Daylight robbery and an absolute joke. Theres much better for less for business use. Is that keyboard even backlit? It better be for that price.
 
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tkatz said:
The argument isn't that Apple should run Windows on an iPad, it's that they should run OS X. OS X already deals with HiDPI better then Windows does. Look at the rMBP and the new iMac's. Many applications are already optimized for these displays. This basically means that OS X would be even better in tablet form then Windows is.
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OSX is not optimised for touch. Until it is - pointless putting on a tablet and end up with another half arsed implementation like Windows currently has.
 
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Mac Fly (film) said:
OMG shut up about the SP3 already. I hear Windows 10 isn't great for touch input. But that's the point of touch. It's for touch. Apple's solution to touch screen devices is start from the ground up with fingers as the input and slowly but surely add more powerful features. Apple's solution and philosophy is a far better one. If you want a SP3 go buy one and stop telling us about it. By not allowing desktop apps on your tablet it forces innovation for touch, for fingers, and devs often surprise you.
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As a person who owns a SP3 and runs Windows 10 on it I can tell you that you've heard wrong. Touch input is just fine and works as expected.
 
jayducharme said:
32GB is the new 16GB. For "professionals" that will definitely not be enough storage.

I wonder if this will sell well. A few people in these forums claimed to have been waiting for such a device, but outside of those few enthusiasts I can't see the general public rushing out to buy it. Apple can feel free to prove me wrong, though. :)
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Many people buy iPads for a specific function. In that case, 32GB is a lot! Specially if you're going to run a single app most of the time. Besides, if you use it professionally, you may not need to use the space with media like personal photos, videos and music.
 
Gasu E. said:
I have to laugh at the 'ios is too limited" crowd. There's no limit to how powerful iOS can be. The problem is with you old fogies :p who are fixated on file systems. This is a 20th century computing paradigm. In 20 years your idea of computing will be relegated to niche use cases. The revolution has been underway for a while now.
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Gasu E. said:
I have to laugh at the 'ios is too limited" crowd. There's no limit to how powerful iOS can be. The problem is with you old fogies :p who are fixated on file systems. This is a 20th century computing paradigm. In 20 years your idea of computing will be relegated to niche use cases. The revolution has been underway for a while now.
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Compared to a i5/i7 2 in 1 at the same price it's limited. You still don't have full access to the file system and you have to use the App store for everything. That's not power; that's restriction. This should have been no more than $599 with the pencil included.
There should have been a stylus holder built into the body of this thing that automatically recharges the pencil when docked.
 
teslo said:
"The iPad Prosumer" is more like it.
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Semantics.
teslo said:
for those of us who work with desktop class software every minute of every day of our lives ,and use said software in our workflow, why would anyone question our desires for OS X on a tablet - when there are other brands that DO offer such luxuries?
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One wonders whom exactly you are addressing, but I'll answer. I don't see anybody questioning your workflow, I actually see people questioning what is the use of the iPad Pro. Very different.
Btw, I am one of those with the desktop software, so I'll ask you - what do you expect? Remember the price of the Modbook and its size? There is clearly a tradeoff (even today) between size and power. Apple don't want to make a huge heavy machine; and while I am as frustrated as you (as a user), I completely understand that this is not a viable market - look what happened with Axiotron.
 
craig1410 said:
I love the way you state personal opinions as if they were undisputed facts. :rolleyes:

While you may have been disappointed, there are many out there, including myself, who are excited by Apple's continued innovation and most of us are neither gullible nor lobotomised.

I have a Wacom tablet and it is almost never used because it's just not the same thing to draw one place and have that "ink" appear somewhere else. Drawing on the screen itself with low-latency input is much better.

Why do you deride an "8 years old" operating system? Do you have any idea the investment in time and money it requires to create an OS? (I'm a developer so I at least have some idea) You definitely don't want to throw it away every few years and start again let me tell you that! 8 years is nothing, especially with the incremental way that Apple develop their OS and their willingness to drop legacy support when the time is right and keep renewing the codebase.

"Too much greed"? Huh? Apple are a company, and growing revenue and making profit is what they are "required" to do. The amount of business innovation and business-model innovation which they have conducted to get to where they are now is in many ways more impressive than their products. Listen to the Critical Path podcast with Horace Dediu if you want to learn about this aspect. Steve Jobs was a great CEO there is no doubt but many would argue (myself included) that Tim Cook is even better as a CEO and with the backing of most of the senior execs who cut their teeth under Steve's tenure, the company is still in great shape. Steve's vision lives on in those execs and everyone else at Apple.

By the way, 97% of customers (including me and my wife) are loving their "ugly" Apple Watches, and 2016 will see new records for revenue and profit I have no doubt.

:apple:
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Sounds good. I'm sure your signifcant holdings of Apple stock will work out for you.
 
Somehow the idea of making bigger, more powerful devices with a lightweight OS, while making lighter, less powerful devices with a heavyweight OS, seems to be a ridiculous strategy. MS must be excited.
 
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ghost187 said:
I totally agree that it's about $200 more than anyone expected. But, it also has every feature you could have asked for (except OSX). Look at all the other iPads, Apple clearly has a problem delivering the best hardware at current prices. Makes sense considering that it costs much more to make an iPad than an iPhone, yet it's sold for so much less.

For example, I would gladly pay $200 more for an iPad mini with A9X chip with pencil/new keyboard support, and 4gb of ram.
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That would be a monster device. It probably wouldn't get great battery life. But iPad battery life is already good enough that it really only runs out when one forgets about the issue. So the trade off is going to be worth it to many people.

This brings us to a new issue. As iOS becomes the dominant computing OS replacing Windows, we are going to feel constrained by Apple's hardware choices. Apple probably knows this, but doesn't know when it should expand its lineup to address this issue. Right now the lineup is super logical. Each step in screen size from watch to iPad Pro gets you slightly more power. On the battery front the lineup is split between two groups: the daily charger devices and the "makes it through the weekend" devices. But it is logical that folks might want more power in the Mini format in exchange for making it a daily charger. And some of us would rather have less power in our cellphone and have it become something that makes it through the weekend. With iOS heading toward being a billion person consumer market, Apple should be able to address all these needs. These "niche" use cases are going to be 20 million devices per year markets in fairly short order.
 
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MRU said:
OSX is not optimised for touch. Until it is - pointless putting on a tablet and end up with another half arsed implementation like Windows currently has.
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Why? I often access my nMP via parallels on my iPad. While its not perfect, there are times it works pretty decently. Plus, last I checked Apple has full control over OS X, so they can add touch capabilities to it, then release an OS X tablet. Why do people seem to think this argument simply means drop the currently implementation of OS X on a tablet and call it a day? Plus if you can run both iOS and OS X stuff, then just use whichever is more convenient at the time. Pull out the keyboard with touch pad for a more laptop experience, as needed, same device.

The intel version of OSX was built in parallel with the PPC one for quite a while and while there were rumors about it, for the most part it went unknown. How do we not know Apple doesn't have a version of OS X with touch support built in and refining it for the day they ultimately do release an OS X tablet?
 
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cdm283813 said:
Compared to a i5/i7 2 in 1 at the same price it's limited. You still don't have full access to the file system and you have to use the App store for everything. That's not power; that's restriction.
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And that's a bad comparison.

cdm283813 said:
This should have been no more than $599 with the pencil included.
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Something else?

cdm283813 said:
There should have been a stylus holder built into the body of this thing that automatically recharges the pencil when docked.
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That would be a great solution for those who don't need (and consequently don't buy) the stylus.
 
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