I don't know if anyone else on the bottom of their screen has an ad saying "Create Free FLASH Websites"... but it was on mine and I thought it was quite ironic.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Adobe Debuts Preview Version of 'Adobe Edge' for Creating HTML5 Web Animations
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I don't care what previous UI the tool is based on.
That has nothing to do with it.
What I like is that Adobe is apparently attempting (don't know if they will be successful) to create an authoring tool that will make creating sophisticated HTML5 content as easy as the Flash authoring tool makes creating sophisticated flash player content. It's impossible to tell at this point if this effort will amount to anything worthwhile. Obviously, in releasing a pre-beta in this way, Adobe is open to changing *anything* and *everything* about the current version. Seems silly to focus on the UI except to let Adobe know (in specific terms) whether you think it is effective or not.
My general point is: I'm happy they are making the attempt.
No, that's expected. What is surprising is that for all the "down with Flash/HTML5 or bust" hubub Apple generated, Apple wasn't the first to provide some HTML5 authoring application with a decent GUI as an alternative.
Nice work of Adobe, whether reactionary or not, to get on with it.
Meanwhile, Apple has... iWeb... ...oh wait...
Missed opportunity.
No, Flash has done it's job really well (for the most part... AS3 is an exception -- a hugh step forward in certain relatively unimportant ways but a big step back on whole).
The problem is that in certain respects there has been no alternative. Hoping this is the start of a real alternative.
Maybe they would if HTML5 would be capable of doing interactive vector animations, something Flash is doing since 1996. Well, maybe HTML5 will catch up till 2036, who knows.
ever worked with paper.js? You can do interactive vector animations in HTML5 now. It's a great library.
unfortunately the main reason that visual tools like Edge can't implement this level of animation is due to the iphone and ipad. Canvas and vector performance is so poor on these devices that we are limited to javascript animation for the time being.
I think that's just what this is about, this is the direction Adobe is going. Heck, they've been going this way for 10 years, producing HTML/CSS creation tools for the available standards. HTML5 just isn't quite an "available" standard yet.
What more do you guys want exactly ? What were you expecting ?
Museum of dead phones / pads
Just look at all those defunct smartphones and other non-iPhone and non-iPad devices behind Heidi. Kind of like a museum of mobile technology.
Heidi should call Samsung and ask them for a Galaxy S, Galaxy S II, Galaxy Tab, and Galaxy Tab 10.1. She could put them in the "sued to death by Apple for copying" section.
Just look at all those defunct smartphones and other non-iPhone and non-iPad devices behind Heidi. Kind of like a museum of mobile technology.
Heidi should call Samsung and ask them for a Galaxy S, Galaxy S II, Galaxy Tab, and Galaxy Tab 10.1. She could put them in the "sued to death by Apple for copying" section.
Actually, there was a time where Apple was in such in bad shape that if Adobe had dropped support for all of their apps on the platform it could have meant the start of the end for Apple. The design industry was almost ALL apple, so if that industry had to move over to Windows it would have hurt Apple even more. And who knows when a company is on very shaky ground.
Fact is, Apple is completely ungrateful for the past contributions of other software companies. And now they're powerful enough that nobody else matters to them or can hurt them financially. Which is why their arrogance has skyrocketed to new heights. All starts at the top.
Tumult Hype - Beat you to it Adobe
I was shocked to see no one had mentioned Tumult Hype. It generates animated HTML 5 with a very similar interface. Adobe should have released something before anyone else did...fail.
Check it out in the app store and buy it: $29.99 And worth far more than that.
I was shocked to see no one had mentioned Tumult Hype. It generates animated HTML 5 with a very similar interface. Adobe should have released something before anyone else did...fail.
Check it out in the app store and buy it: $29.99 And worth far more than that.
They should have made Adobe Edge a Flash web application to create HTML5 web animations haha
Last edited:
How ? It's not like HTML5 is a long-lived standard here...
It's not a standard yet, but it's been in the works for quite awhile (2005?), and browsers began incorporating the working drafts in '07-'08.
It's been around long enough that adobe could have been proactive about it. Either way, it's nice to see them finally offer something like this.
Photoshop wasn't 64-bit because Apple played fast and loose with its developers, pulling previously announced and supported features at the last minute, arguably for political reasons. Seeing as Apple just introduced a 64-bit version of iTunes is pretty telling—if you're going to yank developers around, at least lead by example.
Good news
Slowly but surely Adobe are realizing what they need to do to keep their products current. I look forward to the day when Adobe Captivate will output HTML 5 videos rather than flash.
Makes me a bit more positive towards Adobe than I have been in the last year.
I'm not in the market for any Adobe/design product for the foreseeable future but should I go back to it, Edge is a product I'm glad to see.
Slowly but surely Adobe are realizing what they need to do to keep their products current. I look forward to the day when Adobe Captivate will output HTML 5 videos rather than flash.
Makes me a bit more positive towards Adobe than I have been in the last year.
I'm not in the market for any Adobe/design product for the foreseeable future but should I go back to it, Edge is a product I'm glad to see.
Flash with a better timeline, UI, etc is STILL FLASH if it susing Flash elements and coding, etc. The point here was over the last 10 years or so (up to about a year ago when Apple said they were going with HTML5)...many Adobe users have told Adobe that their interface and UI and overall experience with Flash sucked because of the way it was coded and how the UI was so different then other Adobe products. Flash was just taken from a 3rd party and brought into the Adobe fold and never adapted. They could have re-written it years ago and it would still be Flash.
Building a new tool now for HTML 5..of course they arent going to use Flash for the back end of it because HTML5 is the next big thing.
The point again is that before NOW ( up to the release of Edge ), Adobe had 10+ years of the ability to make Flash better and easier to use and they didnt.
At least they saw the light and realized that with HTML5, they needed to get a new 'Tool' out there to take the place of web coding and banner making...which is Edge. I'm glad it is following the UI/Timeline of their other products and not the CF that Flash was. Flash was the worst written program ever.
Yeah, because as a big software vendor, you want to be implementing a moving target.
That's seriously naive and a good way to throw money away.
ZZZZZZZZZ HTML5 Animation what a load of crap!!
Why do I feel we are going backward! Every example of html animation I've seen has been possible in flash for decades! Why replace flash!? Adobe should be improving FLASH.
HTML5 has such limited functionality with regards to animation. Websites should be HTML. Animations should be flash. Interactive animations should also be flash!
Adobe! sort something out before Flash dies a death. I've recently converted tiny flash files to oversize video so it plays on mobile and tablet devices. what a ridiculous scenario!
Why do I feel we are going backward! Every example of html animation I've seen has been possible in flash for decades! Why replace flash!? Adobe should be improving FLASH.
HTML5 has such limited functionality with regards to animation. Websites should be HTML. Animations should be flash. Interactive animations should also be flash!
Adobe! sort something out before Flash dies a death. I've recently converted tiny flash files to oversize video so it plays on mobile and tablet devices. what a ridiculous scenario!
We're going forward. By standardizing animation of vector and pixel based images using a Canvas specification that is open and documented, any vendor is free to implement a runtime execution layer for said standard animations and thus there is no vendor lock-in where you are dependant on a vendor to provide an implementation for your particular platform.
Any vendor is also free to provide tools for the creation of such content in a portable and multi-platform way, creating a market of competition where the tools will evolve quite faster once the specification goes from draft to standard eventually.
You might not care, but thousands of us do.
The UI of FLASH was god awful and the timeline did not function like other Adobe products..not did the library and other things.
It isn't silly at all considering user interactivity and usability is a key component of how well a product does (i.e. why Apple products for example blow away everyone else).
And yet they are coming out with Edge...obviously many feel the same way I do.
I don't mind seeing ads. I understand their purpose, even if I never click on them. I just wish they were static rather than dynamic. I don't need to accidentally hover over something only for it to START FLASHING AND TAKE OVER THE WHOLE SCREEN!
uh, so yeah, thats usually why people "mind" ads.
Advertisers annoy rather than entice. They've lost focus of what works. Or they've lost their "talent" and are left with "creatives" who stoop to obnoxious attention grabbing techniques like a teenager rather than the alluring skills of a sophisticated seductress. The last thing I want are animated ads unless i initiate the animation. And I don't mean by a roll over.
HTML5 ads are going to be harder to block.
And honestly, i don't want animation on the web unless its something that I'm expecting. The bouncing menu or other BS is trash and wastes my time. I think less of the company that uses it. Now if its an entertainment website for a Movie for instance, then thats different. But i don't need to see bouncing, fading, spinning, or jumping "Tide" bottles.
Yeah, because as a big software vendor, you want to be implementing a moving target.
That's seriously naive and a good way to throw money away.
Naive & rolleyes eh.
They're not throwing away money when there's demand, and they have paying customers. They sell the bulk of their apps in bundles anyway, and charge for dot releases.
If others can do it, adobe can do it. At the time, they didn't want HTML5, CSS3, & JavaScript to compete with flash and ActionScript. Now they have no choice. These standards have taken off, and smaller devs are filling the gaping hole adobe tried to pretend didn't exist.
You think a big dev would be throwing away money by staying ahead of the curve in an emerging market, and I'm naive?
Yeah, right. Maybe Adobe paid from their own pockets to save Apple? Apple have nothing to be grateful about. 1998, 2003 and if you count the Flash debacle from Apple's point of view, that is 3 times that Adobe turns their back to the Mac platform.