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Adobe Debuts Preview Version of 'Adobe Edge' for Creating HTML5 Web Animations
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Agreed..I'm so sick of the sheer amount of crap on a website and how is bogs down the machine, etc and the readability of the page.
Which others would this be ? Can you please provide a list of other HTML5 Canvas content producing tools and their date of release so far ahead of Adobe's ?
Again, implementing a moving target is a good way to waste money and only someone that never wrote a line of code would claim it isn't.
You know I had to register just so that I can shed some light. There are so many inform people in this post in the same way there are some that know what they are talking about. I have to put in my 2 cents and point out a few quick things.
HTML5 vs FLASH
HTML5 is NOT a direct competitor to FLASH. Again NOT a direct competitor to Flash. They are two different tools. HTML5 is a "Mark Up" language Flash is a "plug in" like quick time back in the days, real player, windows media, etc. HTML5 by itself does not do anything per say except a small things here and there. HTML5 uses other languages like javascript, jquery, etc. to get things done. It cannot do them on it's own and even then as of now it still falls back to flash in case things do work well (video/audio).
It's individuals who drink the "Apple" juice that believe all the crap that comes out of Apple's mouth. No I am not a hater of MACs I work in the ad industry
and work with it everyday but I am not blinded by Apple. Just because it's "Apple" does not make it right. I'm tired if them burning their consumers.
Flash Haters
I do understand why some may hate flash but it is not flash's fault it is the programmer that does a terrible job at implementing the technology that makes it bad. What do you think will happen when the HTML5 standards are finalized in another 5 years or more? The same thing. The fact is that programmers can make or break a product (bad iPhone apps anyone?).
How many of the really cool and effective flash websites out there
do many of you use and past on to your friends (JibJab anyone?) Without
flash the web would not be what it is today.
Flash solved (until recently) the biggest issue that the web had. Cross platform compatibility. You were able to build something and it would work across any platform, which is how video took off. You had so many browser compatibility issues nothing worked correctly. Now with this HTML5 "savior" we are going backwards. One now has to have multiple versions of a video because the damn browser idiots can't play nice and agree on a standard. Why the hell do I need so many versions to then only go back to flash if the browser or user can't support HTML5.
I know I am rambling but just pisses me off when people speak out of their @ss without know the facts. The fact is that HTML5 has a looooooong way to go and will not solve the issues we face today with badly programmed websites. Flash willnot go anywhere for a very long time if, ever. Mark this day. It will always be used in some sort of way. HTML5 and Flash will work and in hand.
Thanks!
HTML5 vs FLASH
HTML5 is NOT a direct competitor to FLASH. Again NOT a direct competitor to Flash. They are two different tools. HTML5 is a "Mark Up" language Flash is a "plug in" like quick time back in the days, real player, windows media, etc. HTML5 by itself does not do anything per say except a small things here and there. HTML5 uses other languages like javascript, jquery, etc. to get things done. It cannot do them on it's own and even then as of now it still falls back to flash in case things do work well (video/audio).
It's individuals who drink the "Apple" juice that believe all the crap that comes out of Apple's mouth. No I am not a hater of MACs I work in the ad industry
and work with it everyday but I am not blinded by Apple. Just because it's "Apple" does not make it right. I'm tired if them burning their consumers.
Flash Haters
I do understand why some may hate flash but it is not flash's fault it is the programmer that does a terrible job at implementing the technology that makes it bad. What do you think will happen when the HTML5 standards are finalized in another 5 years or more? The same thing. The fact is that programmers can make or break a product (bad iPhone apps anyone?).
How many of the really cool and effective flash websites out there
do many of you use and past on to your friends (JibJab anyone?) Without
flash the web would not be what it is today.
Flash solved (until recently) the biggest issue that the web had. Cross platform compatibility. You were able to build something and it would work across any platform, which is how video took off. You had so many browser compatibility issues nothing worked correctly. Now with this HTML5 "savior" we are going backwards. One now has to have multiple versions of a video because the damn browser idiots can't play nice and agree on a standard. Why the hell do I need so many versions to then only go back to flash if the browser or user can't support HTML5.
I know I am rambling but just pisses me off when people speak out of their @ss without know the facts. The fact is that HTML5 has a looooooong way to go and will not solve the issues we face today with badly programmed websites. Flash willnot go anywhere for a very long time if, ever. Mark this day. It will always be used in some sort of way. HTML5 and Flash will work and in hand.
Thanks!
Where did you read that?
Later than what ? Later than HTML5 not even being a finalized standard yet ?
Some of you guys really need a reality check here.
Right on. Most of us aren't fully informed.
He didn't mention Dreamweaver. To stay within the context of his post, i would say he meant that since apple was the one who decided flash wasn't up to par for use in iOS, and it "appeared" that apple had a mission to annihilate flash, that they'd be the ones to create an HTML5 development tool. Also, apple is very pro HTML5 and adobe didn't seem so that much. At least thats what i got from his post.
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HTML5 is an umbrella term. It actually covers quite a few specifications, including the one for HTML 5.0. It also covers new specifications for CSS, DOM and other technologies like SVG, Canvas, WebGL.
Here, for the horse's mouth itself if you don't believe me :
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/introduction.html#is-this-html5?
So there's nothing wrong per say in saying "HTML5" competes with Flash. The "Web Application 1.0" specification of the WhatWG aims to standardize and document a lot of Flash's functionality actually.
It's nice that you registered today to tell us this, but failed to actually understand the inner workings and lingo of this industry while doing so.
So yea... I have some issues with that lime green statement I have highlighted. HTML5 does nothing by itself? So have you ever used HTML5 standards before? Just wondering. You obviously are misusing the term "HTML5" which tells me you haven't had much experience with it. It does not just include the markup language HTML 5.... it's a blanket term for much more, including CSS
EDIT: There is also different ways of using flash.. the proper way (in my eyes) where you add to the effects of a website... or the improper way (in my eyes) where you make entire flash websites..... if you use the later (which a lot of people do for some reason) then HTML5 (as a part, or the entirety) is a DIRECT competition to Flash.
EDIT2: It also won't be 5+ years until it's standardized.... more like 3.... which they have stated. Granted that's not tomorrow, but it's a start. I do work in HTML5 daily now... I REALLY enjoy it... CSS3 is a blast, so is the new HTML markup. Also WHATWG has stated that they are just going to be calling it HTML from now on.... HTML5 refers to the blanket for all the parts, while HTML refers to what most people misuse HTML5 for... the markup language.
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I understand you can't accept the possibility of being wrong, so I'm not going to argue with you.
Look at all the time and money they wasted over the last 4 years trying to optimize flash for desktops and mobile devices, only to relent and ultimately build edge.
http://www.tumultco.com/hype/
Haha, i hate the modern day corporation. Actually, maybe i should just say I hate most corporations.
Adobe sucks, i've used them for nearly twenty years and the intuitiveness, and bloatware has just been insane. After Effects based UI for Edge? Um, that UI model sucks. Still I'm glad they made the effort to develop a tool for HTML5.
Im just bummed that slick, responsive, fast products were replaced with fat, overly complicated, bloatware. Applications within applications? The pallet system sucks.
The only thing wrong with Flash is that anyone can learn to use it relatively quickly. Most implementations of Flash are so terribly coded. Also, HTML5 isn't even a standard yet. Flash is on its way out (because technology is advancing) not because its a failure.
IE: You can't provide any data to backup the claims you made. Good of you to admit it.
HTML5 is still very much a moving target and is just getting to a point where it's starting to make sense to develop tools as the standard more and more gets stabilized. 5 years ago, there was no sense in building content creation tools, most CSS properties were still webkit- and moz- prefixed as far as browser support went.
Where did they "relent" ? Why do you think Edge and Flash are opposites and one has to lose for the other to win ?
What waste was done with Flash ?
That guy just lies through his teeth. His argument is that apples decision not to use flash is solely based on a business model decision. And that its not a technical issue. BUT THEN HE CANT EXPLAIN WHY FLASH SUCKS ON ANDROID. Then he trys to save face saying it runs on playbook which isn't android. This guy is a liar. I hope Adobe replaces him.
Apple lets flash run when filtered through Air. So how is it solely a business model issue. Flash sucks on my iMac i7 with 16 Gigs of ram. The hell if i want that crap on an iOS device.
But then again, i don't want HTML5 ads either. Those are going to be tough to block.
Oh man. I'm not much of a Flash and Adobe hater as some in the forum, but I'm not looking forward to seeing the markup and scripts produced by this thing!
They can't remember because Adobe was never that company. Adobe purchased Macromedia because they were tired of losing to them on the web side. Shockwave was huge, and flash followed. Adobe couldn't compete. They have never been the "small fish" so to them, this is how you run a business, "If you can't beat them fairly, buy them".
Most large companies, Excluding Apple to some extent, operate behind the technoligical curve. They wait and see what is hot, and make an app or add to an app that thing that people are screaming for.
Think Evolutionary, not revolutionary.
IE: You can't provide any data to backup the claims you made. Good of you to admit it.
I included the link you asked for.
**edit: We'll have to wait a couple years to see what's what. I'm confident flash will be dead. You may think otherwise, and that's fine. I have no emotional attachment to adobe's apps.
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The first genuinely interesting offering from Adobe since the Flash bandwagon hit the buffers. Shows that they're taken the criticism/challenge seriously. Unfortunately, it looks like it's still burdened with the Adobe GUI (rather than deferring to OS/platform standards). And I bet they'll still shaft non-US/Canada customers, but you can't have everything, right?
After Apple's recent regard for professionals, I'm thankful it's Adobe doing this. Adobe is a company dedicated to making professional software. Apple, as good as they are at it, are not dedicated to making professional software. Just when it suits them.
I never said otherwise. In fact, I explained why HTML5 is a good thing vs Flash in this very thread. Also, you'll note that I just said that Adobe isn't late to developing HTML5, not that they were wrong to do it. I actually defended this as Adobe adopting HTML5 at the right time when the standard is just now starting to stabilize into something that implementors can run with.
Where did you get I had an emotional attachment to Flash ?
I reported the insult btw, it's against forum rules. Might want to just remove it from your post.
I hope Edge evolves into a replacement for Flash. Anyone else feel that Flash is a dreadnought in the web?
It used to be awesome before the merger, but it feels like Adobe packs it with so much junk that its more bloatware and less functional.
It used to be awesome before the merger, but it feels like Adobe packs it with so much junk that its more bloatware and less functional.
That's a bit simplistic. Certainly you don't want to make static text pages in Flash if you can help it. But there's nothing wrong with making all-Flash sites if it fits the purpose: high-end multimedia experiences. Look at http://audiotool.com for example. Front page is HTML, but the main guts of the site, or "app", are entirely Flash. You could not do that site in HTML5. Javascript doesn't have the horsepower or the APIs necessary to manipulate byte arrays at a low level in that way.
The blind hatred for Flash around here is a bit confusing. When HTML5 starts being used for heavy animations everywhere, people will curse it just as much. (I've been forced to make such things in HTML5 before -- it's not pretty. Things start to buckle when you've got complex, fullscreen animations going on.) As others have said, 90% of the time it is the people making the content, NOT the tool. Or people choosing the wrong tool for the job. There are places where HTML5 makes sense, and places where Flash makes sense. It's not a binary choice of existence. Both can co-exist. Adobe certainly thinks so. A lot of these anti-Flash cats sound like the guys who internet-rage in a Playstation vs. Xbox war. People who actually create content (and I am occasionally one of those) use whatever tool we think is best for the job. Sometimes we're forced to use what the client wants.
I'm not dissing "HTML5"; it's about time HTML started catching up with Flash. But Flash is so far ahead from a programming language & API point-of-view, HTML/Javascript always be playing catch-up. Especially since Adobe is not bound to a standards compliance body that is constantly in-fighting (go read up on the history of Javascript and realize it hasn't had a real update to the language in 10 YEARS because of corporate bickering). So I guess yes, I am dissing Javascript. It's stuck in the 90s. Terrible language. But I'm not dissing the concept around HTML5; that of adding APIs to allow for multimedia integration into web pages. It's just the execution of that concept that is a bit wonky right now. Unfortunately, the Javascript standards body is still as incapable as it ever was, so I don't see much improvement there. Web browsers can only strap so many rockets and nitrous packs on an '83 Honda before they run out of room.
Adobe is currently beta-testing a version of Flash with full OpenGL 2D and 3D hardware acceleration. Playstation 2+ level graphics in a web browser at 60fps. You can't do that kind of thing with Javascript and HTML. And you shouldn't!! It's also receiving full multi-threading. Flash is sadly leaving Javascript in the dust. But as I said, there's room for both technologies. So chill out guys. Please.
And as a final thought, I think most of this internet rage I see is coming from the fact that most sites are laden with ads. Ads all competing with each other for your CPU cycles. Page loading slowed down by AJAX calls that load in the ads from third-party servers and wait to load the page content until the ads are received. I know, this sucks!! But replacing Flash with HTML5 ads won't change that situation at all! But this is a basic problem of the web. The fight between putting sites behind paywalls and "free" content was decided many years ago (aside from NYT). Free content won out, as "free" everything usually does. But "free" in a marketplace is usually a devil's deal. You're going to pay for that content one way or another. So instead of subscribing to sites, the sites are afflicted with ads. But sites have to make money. If users want to change this, then perhaps people should band together and figure out a different business model. Blocking ads isn't the answer; that's equivalent to pirating music and movies because you think the price is too high. I would welcome a microtransaction kind of deal where a pageview is one cent or something, deducted from your account, but no ads on the site. That's effectively what we're going to with music and movies...a global subscription model, but I prefer something more granular for the web. But unless customers band together to enact this kind of sweeping change, the status quo will stay.
Talk about uninformed.... In the early days there was PostScript, Photoshop, Illustrator, Type Manager and many other technologies that Adobe developed which helped grow a huge, enthusiastic design industry in love with apple computers. They used to be called "Apple Computer"...
No.....
HAHHAA, I love it! You install it and click on the getting stared and it takes you to a flash animation help menu! Why not HTML5 hey!>???
HAHHAA, I love it! You install it and click on the getting stared and it takes you to a flash animation help menu! Why not HTML5 hey!>???