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Adobe Executive Kevin Lynch Discusses Flash on Mac, iPhone, and iPad
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Who is taking a hard look at HTML5? Google is taking a curious look.
But HTML5 still has a LONG way to go.
Probably about 4% of those "top" sites use Flash for something other than ads. 
And what percentage of those couldn't do what they do without Flash, if they had to? Scrolling images? Yeah, you don't need Flash for that.
And what percentage of those couldn't do what they do without Flash, if they had to? Scrolling images? Yeah, you don't need Flash for that.Erik,
I would not bet against you because you are right that they will never support Flash. However, I think your point about them only doing it because of the fact that they will lose money is wrong. Not entirely wrong, but wrong in part. What makes matters worse for your argument is that it's a moot point. All companies are out to make money, and they use advertising and their products to try and beat out other companies. Apple and Adobe are on equal ground here so let's stop beating that dead horse.
Furthermore, Steve Jobs is Kinda maniacal, most of us can agree. If he thinks they suck, he really does mean that they suck, at least in his opinion. I believe a lot of what goes on with Apple is truly personal with Steve Jobs. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with him on all parts, but it's a valid point to be made.
On a personal note for me, I'm fine without flash. Most of it is advertising and I don't play flash games. There's a Youtube app if I need youtube and anything else I might need(that's in flash) I can wait until I get home.
Sometimes industry needs to be challenged and I do think that Adobe needs to be challenged, although I am not sure they are going to go in the right direction. The only reason they haven't completely lost out is because Flash works ok on windows.
What's the big deal
Flash works perfectly on macs. I own a MacBook and an iMac and Flash works fine
Flash works perfectly on macs. I own a MacBook and an iMac and Flash works fine
Don't get me started on Adobe reader. I have to use Windows at the office, and every time the Adobe reader plugin starts up in Safari it crashes Safari. Which is every time you click on a PDF while browsing. Brilliant work Adobe!
May be you should try it on windows then. It uses double the CPU cycles on a Mac machine for the exact same video.
My issue with Adobe is their QC. No matter what OS I am using, no matter what browser, their flash player always bogs my system down. Adobe PDF reader in Windows is a resource hog. Thank God we don't need to deal with it in OSX. I am just not crazy about Adobe.
But advertisement are required to experience the web. What do you think pays for the severs and content that you are consuming at most of these sites?
If everyone blocked every ad then "for pay" sites would be much more the norm around the internet than the "free" ones.
The iPhone/iPad seem to be on a worse track than the web with flash as a plug-in. The ads model without a plug-in seems to be to build the ads (and consumer data collection mechanisms) directly into the applications themselves. By co-mingling it will extremely difficult to optionally turn off or control.
Damn it, this is exactly what we DON'T want Lynch. Make the AIR install optional. Stop bundling stuff together.
This is because you (and most people) don't know that it could be any better. It also runs "fine" on my MBP, but in reality Flash has tons of security holes in it and it eats CPU processes like fat kids eat cake. It also (as far as I know, although I could be wrong on the bit) it doesn't make use of the GPU often.
Move to HTML5 - on second thought - keep FLASH
If I had to take sides, I used to be on that of getting rid of flash and moving to HTML5.
But then it hit me.
Before ClicktoFlash, my browsing experience was overrun with ads
Since installing ClicktoFlash I have all that useless flash advertising blocked
BUT if everyone moves to HTML5...
all the ads will be in HTML5...
my browser won't know the difference between content and ads...
my browsing experience will become overrun with ads again.
So keep all the ads in FLASH so I can block them easily.
If I had to take sides, I used to be on that of getting rid of flash and moving to HTML5.
But then it hit me.
Before ClicktoFlash, my browsing experience was overrun with ads
Since installing ClicktoFlash I have all that useless flash advertising blocked
BUT if everyone moves to HTML5...
all the ads will be in HTML5...
my browser won't know the difference between content and ads...
my browsing experience will become overrun with ads again.
So keep all the ads in FLASH so I can block them easily.
The "Flash Ads" comments are ridiculous. Do you think that websites will stop displaying ads if flash is killed? They'll just do it in HTML5...then what?
Don't get me started on Adobe reader. I have to use Windows at the office, and every time the Adobe reader plugin starts up in Safari it crashes Safari. Which is every time you click on a PDF while browsing. Brilliant work Adobe!
You use safari on your windows office workhorse? may goog be with you... I use FF3.6 and the newest flashplayerupdate and FF never crashed due to flash..
besides I have never had a problem while viewing pdf's IN safari..
I use Safari on Windows because my bookmarks are automatically synced through mobile me to my family's 4 macs. As soon as another browser allows that I'll switch.
pdf viewing IN Safari for Windows has a 100% crash rate because (I'm guessing) my PC has Adobe acrobat (pdf creator) installed which means the Safari plugin is not the standard pdf reader plugin. It has never worked no matter how many Safari or acrobat updates come through.
Not true. Apple has provided 2 API's that will allow them to take advantage of hardware acceleration. They are OpenCL and Grand Central Dispatch. OpenCL allows developers to tap into the GPU and use it to execute code usually held in reserve for just the CPU. Grand Central Dispatch allows developers to code for multicore processors, but instead of them having to create separate threads for their application, the operating system handles it and splits it up into multiple threads depending on how many are available. So Adobe cannot say that they are unable to create a good Flash plug-in due to lack of proper API's, it's all there waiting for them they, just need to get going.
And that statement, my friend, is why you and yours are never going to be allowed on Apple Mobile products. You have a business model of not only creating crap, but accepting that same crap as an excepted standard of generating income. A living, breathing industry that has emphysema from breathing the same stench that you create.
My momma warned me about Flashers...
Flash works perfectly fine on my PC.
I hate how just because Apple doesn't like Flash, we should just assume it's garbage and get rid of it entirely. I imagine if Apple wanted it to work on their Macs, it would have a long time ago.
I hate how just because Apple doesn't like Flash, we should just assume it's garbage and get rid of it entirely. I imagine if Apple wanted it to work on their Macs, it would have a long time ago.
Kevin (Adobe CTO) you dumbass, what Steve Jobs said about Flash is not merely "rumor" as you would have us believe. Get your head our of your [where the sun don't shine] and start paying attention when the CEO of a multi-billion dollar company provides critical feedback. Fix it vice pretending maybe he never said it.