Adobe Flash Player Initiative for Smartphones Launched, But iPhone Not Included

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

I just LOL at all this Flash haters

Flash is here to stay for very long time indeed and sooner Apple starts working on getting it on mobile devices better it will be...

 

[kbrittle]

But there were 54 negatives. Which means that there was a least some dissension. Thus, disproving Nicolasdec's claims that "all" were complaining that you couldn't get flash on the iphone.


At least 54 according to that one article.

Well then, here we go...a resounding majority according to votes and comments were all about flash until apple c0ckbl0cked.

Now, magically, flash sucks, proving in this forum it's only cool when you have it..

Curious though, does google voice suck on MR too?

Now excuse me while I go play on my Palm Pre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpI6gA9cuME&feature=player_embedded

- and yes, I have two ipods and two macbooks so not so much caring about itunes sync

 

[iMaggot]

I'm no big fan of Flash, but man this place is full of Apple fanboys.

 

[ChazUK]

Flash worked on my N95, my old Nokia 5800 and it works fine on my HTC Hero.

Why all the hating?

There is a reason that so many phone manufacturers have signed up to this. Smartphones are getting ever more powerful (Snapdragon, Tegra, Arm cortex) and will inevitably be able to handle flash content with ease. There is a lot of flash content out there and nothing is going to change that in the near future.

If you all honestly want the rest of the industry to sit by and not embrace flash thanks to Apple not wanting it on their platform then good luck.

EDIT:

LOL @

Adobe Demonstrating iPhone Applications Built Using Flash
Rating (67 Positives; 38 Negatives)
[ 57 comments ] [ Rate: Positive | Negative ]

 

[dejo]

Well then, here we go...a resounding majority according to votes and comments were all about flash until apple c0ckbl0cked.

Resounding majority != all. That was the only point I was making.

 

[kbrittle]

Resounding majority != all. That was the only point I was making.

we can argue semantics all you want, the proof is in the pudding. now go blindly hate on Microsoft or some other competitor

 

[dejo]

we can argue semantics all you want, the proof is in the pudding. now go hate on Microsoft or some other competitor

So, you're trying to argue that "resounding majority == all", via semantics? And you must be eating different pudding than me, cause I don't think you're even attempting to prove the same thing as I am. And thanks for the "directions" but I think I'll pass.

 

[kbrittle]

So, you're trying to argue that "resounding majority == all", via semantics? And you must be eating different pudding than me, cause I don't think you're even attempting to prove the same thing as I am. And thanks for the "directions" but I think I'll pass.

i never said all. i simply rephrased it (corrected it) for you.

 

[haruhiko]

I don't see much difficulties for the iPhone not having Flash support, but it IS a limitation, especially under Apple's marketing campaign about iPhone supporting full web experience just like a desktop browser. Anyone of you still keep saying that MMS sucks after Apple implemented it? But I did see many members of MR discussing how to correctly set MMS on the iPhone and got mad after they found that iTunes requires them to upgrade to 3.1 to support MMS.

 

[kate-willbury]

Flash is a zit on the ass of internet technology.

Begone proprietary garbage!

lol someone making a crack about proprietary garbage? umm..you do realize you're on a mac right?

 

[Heijtink]

Sorry but I see no logic in any of the flashfanboys. See I can label people too. I don't care how many people were positive about flash coming to the iPhone. I am my own person. It is not an argument for me to want to have flash on my iPhone. The reasoning that we should have flash because the rest of the world has flash also does not convince me that I want to have flash on the iPhone. The last time I have been on a website that was flash only was 7 years ago. So I have absolutely no feeling I'm missing out. The reasons for not wanting flash:
It uses a lot of CPU
Thus also reducing my battery
It is often used for advertising or commercial websites.
It is not multi touch
I rather support an open standard than Flash
Flash does not much more for the iPhone than the iPhone already can through HTML5 and css.

Okay now I'm awaiting all the pro's rather than the weird arguments that Imentioned at the beginning of my post.

 

[kbrittle]

Sorry but I see no logic in any of the flashfanboys. See I can label people too. I don't care how many people were positive about flash coming to the iPhone. I am my own person. It is not an argument for me to want to have flash on my iPhone. The reasoning that we should have flash because the rest of the world has flash also does not convince me that I want to have flash on the iPhone. The last time I have been on a website that was flash only was 7 years ago. So I have absolutely no feeling I'm missing out. The reasons for not wanting flash:
It uses a lot of CPU
Thus also reducing my battery
It is often used for advertising or commercial websites.
It is not multi touch
I rather support an open standard than Flash
Flash does not much more for the iPhone than the iPhone already can through HTML5 and css.

Okay now I'm awaiting all the pro's rather than the weird arguments that Imentioned at the beginning of my post.

I'll let you be your own person and all but..

You must be referring to old flash...

http://blog.everythingflex.com/2009/07/22/flash-player-mobile-news-multi-touch/

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/features.html

here's a cool mobile flash video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpI6gA9cuME&feature=player_embedded

 

[str1f3]

Like it or not, Flash is required, otherwise a lot of content is automatically missing.

Apple are being anal. Its all Apple or nothing, as far as they are concerned.

HTML 5 features will not become mainstream until the browser with the largest market share supports it, and that is IE. Microsoft drag their heels when it comes to W3C.

Those people who don't want Flash on their iPhone / Touch, that's fine - you just don't install it, if and when it becomes available.

I don't know if you read about the plugin that Google developed for IE that essentially makes it a Chrome browser. Google did this because Google Wace uses those HTML5 features. HTML5 may not even require that Microsoft be involved. Google can just force any browser with a Google account to download the plugin.

As for those who say that HTML5 isn't a standard yet, neither is 802.11n and it's been out for a few years.

My understanding is that Apple is afraid all the free flash games (and apps) will take away revenue from the app store. Because if you can rush flash on the phone then you can pretty much accomplish 70% of what most iPhone apps are capable of.

I don't know how you understood that. The truth is that Apple doesn't like the App Store that much. If they had it their way there wouldn't be one and you would live on Apple made apps. They have a stand-offish relationship with developers because they don't care if you develop for the platform or not. The only reason the App Store exists is because so many people were jailbreaking their phones and Apple believed that it caused instability (which it does) and therefore hurts the iPhone brand.

BTW you should watch the video of the GPU powered Webkit tech that was posted on MacRumors a month ago. Theoretically you could provide gaming without a plugin like Flash. Apple is actively promoting these standards. The main reason they hate Flash is because it is a lousy performing proprietary plugin. They can already see that Flash is garbage on the Mac. They don't want to be beholden to Adobe for a plugin as well. This is their best chance to kill Flash and I back them on this.

For eveybody that wants Flash so much I have a question:

If Flash runs like crap on the Mac, how do you think it will be on the iPhone which is built on OSX with far less processing power?

 

[kbrittle]

I don't know if you read about the plugin that Google developed for IE that essentially makes it a Chrome browser. Google did this because Google Wace uses those HTML5 features. HTML5 may not even require that Microsoft be involved. Google can just force any browser with a Google account to download the plugin.

As for those who say that HTML5 isn't a standard yet, neither is 802.11n and it's been out for a few years.



I don't know how you understood that. The truth is that Apple doesn't like the App Store that much. If they had it their way there wouldn't be one and you would live on Apple made apps. They have a stand-offish relationship with developers because they don't care if you develop for the platform or not. The only reason the App Store exists is because so many people were jailbreaking their phones and Apple believed that it caused instability (which it does) and therefore hurts the iPhone brand.

BTW you should watch the video of the GPU powered Webkit tech that was posted on MacRumors a month ago. Theoretically you could provide gaming without a plugin like Flash. Apple is actively promoting these standards. The main reason they hate Flash is because it is a lousy performing proprietary plugin. They can already see that Flash is garbage on the Mac. They don't want to be beholden to Adobe for a plugin as well. This is their best chance to kill Flash and I back them on this.

For eveybody that wants Flash so much I have a question:

If Flash runs like crap on the Mac, how do you think it will be on the iPhone which is built on OSX with far less processing power?

Flash runs wonderfully on my mac, speak for yourself

 

[str1f3]

Flash runs wonderfully on my mac, speak for yourself

I am speaking for myself ,and I'm not alone, but you are only one of two in this thread who feels that way and you are in the minority. Either you have a very special Mac that has been blessed by John Nack, you're lying and don't have Mac (by reading your posts), or you don't know the difference is between good and bad performance.

http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2008/10/benchmarking-flash-player-10.ars

 

[kbrittle]

I am speaking for myself ,and I'm not alone, but you are only one of two in this thread who feels that way and you are in the minority. Either you have a very special Mac that has been blessed by John Nack or you don't know the difference is between good and bad performance.

http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2008/10/benchmarking-flash-player-10.ars

I run (hours at a time) hulu, cnn videos, cnet videos, etc. without any problem on my machine.

funny, though, in previous posts where a very very large percentage of people were super excited about flash on iphones, they all wanted it so badly.

but...now that apple wont be joining in, i guess flash started sucking on macs all of a sudden. weird huh

oh and that link you sent me, I don't know about you, but I don't read reviews to find out how I'm supposed to feel about a product, it works fine for me, as it did for those participating in this thread, where, you sir, were in the minority:

https://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/11/adobe-flash-support-for-iphone-coming-alongside-sdk/

 

[str1f3]

I run (hours at a time) hulu, cnn videos, cnet videos, etc. without any problem on my machine.

funny, though, in previous posts where a very very large percentage of people were super excited about flash on iphones, they all wanted it so badly.


but...now that apple wont be joining in, i guess flash started sucking on macs all of a sudden. weird huh

I really don't give a damn how others feel about it. I care about the facts and reality. You should actually read the link. Even on a Quad Mac Pro it was using 50% CPU watching a Hulu vid. On the same machine running Windows, it was 8%.

You can BS and rip Apple like you've been doing since you joined the forums a few days ago, but the facts don't lie unless it's with your statistics defying so-called Mac.

 

[telecomm]

I run (hours at a time) hulu, cnn videos, cnet videos, etc. without any problem on my machine.

but...now that apple wont be joining in, i guess flash started sucking on macs all of a sudden. weird huh

I don't think anyone claimed Flash was broken on the Mac, just that it didn't run well.

oh and that link you sent me, I don't know about you, but I don't read reviews to find out how I'm supposed to feel about a product, it works fine for me, as it did for those participating in this thread, where, you sir, were in the minority:

Wow. Several have claimed that Flash doesn't run well, and the link provides actual tests that back up that claim. This surely resolves the subjective and pointless "I think it runs poorly" vs. "I think it runs well" debate, doesn't it?

I mean, look at the Mac Pro Vista vs. OS X Flash performance results for Hulu: 7% CPU vs 56% CPU! That's a factor of 8 performance difference!

 

[kbrittle]

I really don't give a damn how others feel about it. I care about the facts and reality. You should actually read the link. Even on a Quad Mac Pro it was using 50% CPU watching a Hulu vid. On the same machine running Windows, it was 8%.

You can BS and rip Apple like you've been doing since you joined the forums a few days ago, but the facts don't lie unless it's with your statistics defying so-called Mac.

You sure did care about how others felt when you lumped youself into the "you all vs. me category"

Why would I rip Apple, I've been exclusively buying their products for 7 years now, god forbid I think independently and just so happen to think most of the people on this forum are BSing because they loved flash and all wanted it until Apple said no, and now everyone hates it, and never wanted it in the first place.

Its cute, really, that you all share the same mentality.

But for the majority of people on here, don't be mad because you're not invited to play. Blame Apple, not Adobe.

 

[kbrittle]

I don't think anyone claimed Flash was broken on the Mac, just that it didn't run well.



Wow. Several have claimed that Flash doesn't run well, and the link provides actual tests that back up that claim. This surely resolves the subjective and pointless "I think it runs poorly" vs. "I think it runs well" debate, doesn't it?

I mean, look at the Mac Pro Vista vs. OS X Flash performance results for Hulu: 7% CPU vs 56% CPU! That's a factor of 8 performance difference!

If it runs so poorly, why was everyone so excited to get it at first?

My original point wasn't whether it works well or not.

It was just funny to me seeing people coming up with excuses to not like Flash as soon as they found out they weren't getting it.

 

[telecomm]

If it runs so poorly, why was everyone so excited to get it at first?

Everyone?

Here's a theory. There are two groups of people, those who want Flash, and those who don't.

...Wait a minute, that explains everything!

 

[kbrittle]

Everyone?

Here's a theory. There are two groups of people, those who want Flash, and those who don't.

...Wait a minute, that explains everything!

ah, resort to arguing semantics when you have no argument. okay lol sorry, its late.

let me rephrase...

a very large majority of people here on the forums were excited/happy about the possibility of flash coming.

Fast Forward...Apple is not going for it.

Present Day: a very large majority of people now have problems with flash/hate it/don't need it whatever.

but its only me, nevermind

 

[telecomm]

ah, resort to arguing semantics when you have no argument. okay lol sorry, its late.

let me rephrase...

a very large majority of people here on the forums were excited/happy about the possibility of flash coming.

Fast Forward...Apple is not going for it.

a very large majority of people now have problems with flash/hate it/don't need it whatever.

but its only me, nevermind

Not semantics, logic.

A large group of people post about wanting Flash. Another large group of people post about not wanting Flash. Are people in the two groups being inconsistent? Only if you assume there are people who belong to both groups, i.e., some people who said they wanted Flash are now saying they don't.

 

[kbrittle]

Not semantics, logic.

A large group of people post about wanting Flash. Another large group of people post about not wanting Flash. Are people in the two groups being inconsistent? Only if you assume there are people who belong to both groups, i.e., some people who said they wanted Flash are now saying they don't.

A large group of people post about wanting Flash- when it was announced that it was coming, and it seemed like it was going to

Another large group of people post about not wanting Flash- before Apple announced they weren't going to do it? if so, where? Because based on the thread i showed you, you're wrong. of course you wont counter with an actual post (because it doesn't exist?)

do you have anything to back your claims? I want to stand corrected, believe me...

 

[str1f3]

ah, resort to arguing semantics when you have no argument. okay lol sorry, its late.

let me rephrase...

a very large majority of people here on the forums were excited/happy about the possibility of flash coming.

Fast Forward...Apple is not going for it.

Present Day: a very large majority of people now have problems with flash/hate it/don't need it whatever.

but its only me, nevermind

No. You are the one not getting the point. Your trying to make your point that Flash is fine because others want it and that makes no sense. What does "what some users want" have to do with whether Flash runs poorly? You want to spend your time bashing other Mac users who don't know any better? Fine but your arguments hold no basis in reality or logic. Even when provided with a link which showed evidence that Flash runs poorly on the Mac, you didn't bother to read it and still continued to make an illogical argument.