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Adobe Has 'Moved On' in Dispute With Apple Over Flash on iOS Devices
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I've moved on, too. Hello Android 
I got fed up with Steve Jobs' BS, too. I just dumped my iPhone 3Gs and got a nice Super AMOLED Galaxy S.
I also notice that a few of my friends have either done the same, or are contemplating it when the time to upgrade comes.
iOS had a nice head start, but Jobs' control issues sowed the seeds of its demise.
When Android OS 3.0 comes out in a few months, with its revamped UI, this will all be over: iOS is going to begin the slip into oblivion. In a year or two, nobody will care that a few die-hard iGeeks are lumbering along without Flash..., the rest of the world will have moved on, enjoying their full web experience on Android, with Flash and all.
Cheers!
I got fed up with Steve Jobs' BS, too. I just dumped my iPhone 3Gs and got a nice Super AMOLED Galaxy S.
I also notice that a few of my friends have either done the same, or are contemplating it when the time to upgrade comes.
iOS had a nice head start, but Jobs' control issues sowed the seeds of its demise.
When Android OS 3.0 comes out in a few months, with its revamped UI, this will all be over: iOS is going to begin the slip into oblivion. In a year or two, nobody will care that a few die-hard iGeeks are lumbering along without Flash..., the rest of the world will have moved on, enjoying their full web experience on Android, with Flash and all.
Cheers!
The spec is out there. You can write an open source implementation :
http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
So now both your feet and planted firmly in your mouth.
After Apple rejecting them, banning them, and ignoring them, can you really blame Adobe for doing that ? Seriously, Adobe tried their best, shipped tools to bring Flash devs over to iOS. I think anyone realises that its time to cut their losses.
Again, since you missed the point, Adobe is not turning their back on Apple for no reason, it's because Apple did first. There is no reason for Adobe to continue on especially seeing how Google is embracing them with open arms.
Even PDF ?
Your metaphor fell apart. When it comes to design, Adobe is the only reliable game in town. In your case, you have no need for Adobe products, so you get pleasure in bashing what you know nothing about. You think that Adobe makes bad products, so you think Adobe is a bad company. That's just stupid.
Duh! Adobe is a software company. Of COURSE they want it on as many systems as possible.
Apple is a hardware company. Of COURSE they don't want their software on any old machine.
In both cases the companies in question are making rational choices that suit their own circumstances. What's stupid is demanding one follow the corporate needs of the other.
I am sympathetic to anyone who makes their living with Adobe products. Of course they make the standard graphical suites. My needs are not that vital, so for me it was easy for me to ignore them. I did it not out of ideology but because I got tired of their bloatware.
But seriously, if you are making a living with Flash, it's time to start learning new tech. Flash will die, or at least be a backwater, and soon enough regardless of what Apple does or does not do.
Apple is a hardware company. Of COURSE they don't want their software on any old machine.
In both cases the companies in question are making rational choices that suit their own circumstances. What's stupid is demanding one follow the corporate needs of the other.
I am sympathetic to anyone who makes their living with Adobe products. Of course they make the standard graphical suites. My needs are not that vital, so for me it was easy for me to ignore them. I did it not out of ideology but because I got tired of their bloatware.
But seriously, if you are making a living with Flash, it's time to start learning new tech. Flash will die, or at least be a backwater, and soon enough regardless of what Apple does or does not do.
Apple could love Flash
Flash is a fantastic development environment, if it would just create html 5 content as well as Flash content everybody would be thrilled! The Tool is awesome, you just don't like the product of the tool. With HTML 5 exports,It would be like a hot girlfriend with turrets syndrome, you don't like some of the junk she says unless your at an old 80's club full of sailors, but the other stuff is awesome!.
Flash is a fantastic development environment, if it would just create html 5 content as well as Flash content everybody would be thrilled! The Tool is awesome, you just don't like the product of the tool. With HTML 5 exports,It would be like a hot girlfriend with turrets syndrome, you don't like some of the junk she says unless your at an old 80's club full of sailors, but the other stuff is awesome!.
Not with Adobe software, that's for sure.
Framed for future humor.
No, I used to use Adobe products and grew tired of their skankiness.
In case you don't know, it doesn't matter who's software you use for PDF. PDF is an Adobe technology.
You got your history backwards. Adobe screwed Apple first. This latest stuff is more recent developments, but the story goes back years.
It's a format, not a technology.
Semantics don't change facts. It's still an Adobe format.
You keep saying that. Please explain how. And don't mention the CS4 64 bit debacle, you have to remember this was all because of Apple announcing Carbon64 and then dropping it months later.
Phew! Too many posts. I'm giving it a rest. Call me names behind my back now.
Last one: Not semantics. I don't use Adobe code to view PDFs. That's the key, avoiding any Adobe code.
Last one: Not semantics. I don't use Adobe code to view PDFs. That's the key, avoiding any Adobe code.
That is true if you are only developing to run on Apple platforms. Hate to break it to you but there is a big world out there that doesn't rely on Apple. The iPhone is NOT the only phone. Android is alive and doing extremely well going up against the iPhone. And guess what? It runs Flash.
You've been caught and now you're just trying to not be wrong even though you are completely.
LOL. You must have really basic needs -- like never looking at PDF, or ignoring most entertainment, sports, arts, or fashion sites, or ignoring much of the video on the web, or never editing photos.... Come to think of it, most printed materials, like books and magazines, are created using Adobe products, as are good chunks of the web and TV.
You must be in a really deep cave to really avoid all of Adobe's products.
I feel stupid! I just realized that I've been arguing with a troll. It's the only thing I can think of that would make you say that Adobe products are bad. Especially when you wouldn't know... because you haven't been using them. You must be pretty special. There are literally thousands of designers and studios who would be laughing at your statement. But I wonder... if you think Adobe is bad, I'm curious to what you think is good? MSWord and Coreldraw I suppose? ROFLMAO!!!
Cool story bro. The username is a really nice touch too as it makes you seem more authentic. If you dumped your iPhone for a Samsung, I assume that apps and games were not of interest to you so have to ask you, why bother with a smart phone at all? It seems like you would be much happier with just a feature phone with some social networking instead. You also don't seem to care about music or easy syncing of your calendars and contacts with a mac assuming you even have one.
Apple is choosing to go with a closed system?! That's rich. Sure Apple makes a lot of choices that are closed... but when it comes to the web... Adobe is the one with the closed system!!!
Even if Flash were open source is would still be a total piece of trash. Flash is good for games and movies but it should never ever be used for full websites. Why would anyone take all of their content off the web and lock it into a giant movie which is completely inaccessible by anyone or anything without eyes and a mouse?! Trash. It was trash 10 years ago and it's trash now.
Even if Flash were open source is would still be a total piece of trash. Flash is good for games and movies but it should never ever be used for full websites. Why would anyone take all of their content off the web and lock it into a giant movie which is completely inaccessible by anyone or anything without eyes and a mouse?! Trash. It was trash 10 years ago and it's trash now.
Flash has been around since 1996. That's when I started using it, when it was originally called FutureSplash Animator and before Macromedia even acquired it.
Flash had lost a lot of its relevance before Adobe even bought it from Macromedia. The only real driving factor more recently has been as a band-aid to make up for the fact that browser vendors have not agreed universal video support, which Flash conveniently could be used for. Video is not even the raison d'etre of Flash in the first place.
Anyway, I agree with Apple in this dispute but I feel that people kind of have a distorted perspective of what Flash is for and where it came from. It wasn't invented for YouTube
The original concept was being able to use vector graphics on the Web.Wow! Have you even seen an Android phone, or have you looked at the Android Market.
Virtually every application I was using on my iPhone is available for purchase on Android. The only exception I can think of is Star Walk, but then Google provides the same functionality for free, so I don't miss it, really.
But everything else is so much better integrated:
Calendar and contacts sync automatically over the air with my Mac Address Book and iCal, by using Google Calendar and GMail Address Book.
Google Voice is so well integrated, I make most my calls through it, totally transparently. Same for texting. Same for visual voicemail, which also includes transcripts, so when in a meeting I can just glance at it and see what the voicemail is about.
Google's navigation is actually better than the Navigon app I used on the iPhone.
I can do everything by voice, with much better results and better integration than what Dragon Dictation provided on the iPhone.
For documents, I got ThinkFree Office (for free), as well as Google Docs.
I sync music and videos through doubleTwist, or just mount the Android on my desktop and drag and drop. Try THIS on the iPhone...!
I don't play a lot of games, but the Galaxy has a GPU which is multiple times faster than the iPhone.
So, yeah. it is a cool story, bro....
History repeats itself with Andriod and Apple Iphone OS.
Don't forget porn, but even that is showing up as Flash more and more lately. (Often the porn is an H.264 file played with Flash...)
Saying that Flash is open just because it is used in a lot of places is like saying that Windows is open. Apple has chosen to use open technology, namely HTML5. Glad they are moving on. Sad though to see they still hold to their same rant about Flash being open.
I recently ready that 75% if all sites rely on some use of Flash. Funny, I seem to not miss 75% of the internet on my iPod.
I recently ready that 75% if all sites rely on some use of Flash. Funny, I seem to not miss 75% of the internet on my iPod.
What's sad is that after all the threads about this and even posts in this very thread, people can still post comments like these. Why do you even believe for a second that Adobe claims Flash is open because it's popular ? I think when they claim Flash is open, they do so based on the fact that they have released a nearly complete specification for it :
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/
And that said specification can be used and has been used to implement 3rd party runtimes that can playback Flash content without using Adobe's Flash player :
http://www.gnashdev.org/
It's funny how a lot of people try to comment on something without ever trying to see if what they are typing is even remotely true. On the Internet of all places, where proving them wrong is a Google search away.
Open
These companies throw that word around so much I don't even know what it is supposed to mean anymore.
Open like in Adobe's software activation that just screws legitimate customers, because anyone who wants to steal their software can do it with a simple download?
Or Apple's your app will act like we want it or it's out (photo+)?
I love both companies products but people need to remember there is no good guy in this fight, it just two hungry dogs fighting over your wallet and they get pissed if one or the other rips off a bigger piece.
These companies throw that word around so much I don't even know what it is supposed to mean anymore.
Open like in Adobe's software activation that just screws legitimate customers, because anyone who wants to steal their software can do it with a simple download?
Or Apple's your app will act like we want it or it's out (photo+)?
I love both companies products but people need to remember there is no good guy in this fight, it just two hungry dogs fighting over your wallet and they get pissed if one or the other rips off a bigger piece.