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Adobe Illustrator and InDesign Not Working Properly with macOS High Sierra
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I’ve not used Illustrator since upgrading to HS, however I have been using InDesign on my late-2016 touch bar MacBook Pro without any problems, and certainly not seen this pixelated cursor that’s mentioned. Lucky me I guess.
I'm not liking Sketch, but Affinity is very similar to Illustrator and it's working a lot faster than Illustrator. I opened up a big Illustrator project with Affinity without any issues and was able to edit it the same way. Thanks for the suggestion.
So, looking at point 2), what excuse does Apple have for releasing software that seems for many people to be buggy and not ready for general release? I’m talking about the OS and native apps, not third-party. If you are a large company releasing an OS you know that 100% of the install base is relying on your product working first time.
It's really beyond my comprehension why people that supposedly make a living with their computers choose to install the first release of a new OS and then be surprised it doesn't work with all the software. There is always some bug in the first releases and with third party apps compatibility. Do the sensible thing and wait some week (maybe a whole month if you can manage it without going crazy) then update to .1 or .2 and everything will go smoothly and you won't risk any productivity problem.
As several people have said, we put up with Adobe's subscription model on the understanding that it will keep their applications up-to-date and working. I gave up Illustrator for Affinity Designer and Photoshop for Affinity Photo. The latter still needs some work, but look how quickly (comparatively) Serif has got up to speed. I'm hoping that I'll eventually be able to move from InDesign to Affinity Publisher and I'm sure that many others feel exactly the same. If Adobe has an ounce of sense, it will be working very hard to retain its customers. Unfortunately, on past performance it would seem that common sense is in short supply at Adobe.
I should add that my cursor InDesign is not pixelated in High Sierra and, fortunately, my Mac is not yet compatible with APFS.
I should add that my cursor InDesign is not pixelated in High Sierra and, fortunately, my Mac is not yet compatible with APFS.
Partly agreeing with you here… On the other hand there are professionals e.g. app developers developing apps for high sierra who need to be on the latest OS and who also need access to adobe products such as Illustrator…
Then isn’t it prudent to have more than one boot disk and just have one with each OS, thus allowing you to access the latest without compromising completely your ability to earn? Do the professionals on this forum really only have a single computer to hand.....sounds risky if there is a routine hardware failure?
Yeah, its easy to over-simplify. Personally, I won't install HS until at least 10.13.1 and I've checked that all the apps I need work. I only switched to Sierra a few months back. However, that choice can be a luxury: presumably any newly-bought Mac will now (or very shortly) come with 10.13 and, quite possibly, any new models (e.g. the iMac Pro) might not even be downgrade-able to 10.12.
The root problem is that we just don't want or need a new major, lets-replace-the-back-axle OS release every ruddy September, just as the previous version has just about reached stability. It means we're always in a transition period. Every, say, three years would be about right - and that doesn't mean that you can't release a new version of Photos, Mail... or even Finder... between OS upgrades. In a "modern" OS its even a bit shabby if you can't add a new file system without a major OS upgrade. Frankly, a good major OS upgrade should just be a consolidation of the last few years modular updates, and not a flag day.
A major changed like APFS should have been phased in over 4 years: a year in Beta, a year as an option and a year as the default option before being buried and tagged as depreciated.
However, "big bang" upgrades still seem to be the rage. Windows 10 forever is still having headline "fall/creators/anniversary updates" that are major upgrades in all but name and even Linux - which you'd expect to be less concerned about marketing - is playing the game.
The personal computer market should be maturing now - the rate of technological change has slowed down to a crawl c.f. the 80s, 90s and 00s - and, quite frankly, an end to "if it works it is obsolete" would be a very healthy thing. That message doesn't seem to have gotten through to boardrooms.
No they don't. That's not how software development works. Apple has zero access to Adobe's code.
Apple did their part by releasing a developer preview so developers can update their applications to the new OS. Devs have had this for months.
That being said I can't really fault Adobe that much either because CS is enormous and updating applications that are that large and complex isn't some trivial task. A lot of planning and testing has to be done.
This is why everything goes back to the age old adage of "Don't update your production machines right away."
What's with the common sense advice? Just grab a pitchfork and start shouting like everyone else.
That being said, in our company we stopped testing our in-house software against beta versions a few years ago. Each beta was simply too different from the next to be a reliable indicator of what was going to be in the final release. Employees are forbidden from upgrading their company devices until either we have given an "all clear" against the final release or issued our own corresponding patch. Since Adobe has done neither of these things, users pretty much have themselves to blame when software doesn't run on operating system versions it wasn't designed for.
That's not how software development works. What improvements to Mac OS? Then Apple needs to do what needs to be done to get the enhancements to happen.
It's on the developers to get their apps up to speed with the new OS. Its how software development has always worked. It's also why developers get 3-ish months to update their apps before the new OS is released.
Yup.
Pixelmator, Affinity apps (Designer, Photo), Sketch can easily fill that void ; )
As much as everyone despises the CC subscription model, the fault here lies on Apple. High Sierra broke Adobe software and Apple knew it. In the old days before CC, a new Mac OS would break Adobe software & Adobe would get around fixing it on their next point release... to the tune of several hundred dollars in upgrade fees.
In the old days you had to wait for a fix & pay through the nose eventually for updated software. Today you have to wait but you're not faced with an exorbirant upgrade fee. Just pay your monthy ransom fee as usual.
In the end it probably works out even for legit paying customers who kept their software up to date in the past vs the CC payment model of today.
In the old days you had to wait for a fix & pay through the nose eventually for updated software. Today you have to wait but you're not faced with an exorbirant upgrade fee. Just pay your monthy ransom fee as usual.
In the end it probably works out even for legit paying customers who kept their software up to date in the past vs the CC payment model of today.
The filesystem model has changed with APFS, along with many other core frameworks.
https://developer.apple.com/library...OSX/WhatsNewInOSX/Articles/macOS_10_13_0.html
A few Dev release note issues:
https://developer.apple.com/library....13/index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40017672
Adobe being a premier developer doesn't get a first crack at WWDC. They get it a year beforehand. In fact, they get early sneak peeks at the new Filesystem.
The amount of changes in Services, Core Graphics, AppKit, and much more is quite staggering.
I speak as a NeXT/Apple Engineer alum. We always brought them into the loop very early. We've had teams assigned to Adobe for decades, specifically to address their architecture changes and Apple's own. For them not to have a `sneak peek' release of their flagship products is on them.
I'm not talking Enterprise contracts: a completely different set of teams and services. Adobe has always been handheld like a child by Apple.
https://developer.apple.com/library...OSX/WhatsNewInOSX/Articles/macOS_10_13_0.html
A few Dev release note issues:
https://developer.apple.com/library....13/index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40017672
Adobe being a premier developer doesn't get a first crack at WWDC. They get it a year beforehand. In fact, they get early sneak peeks at the new Filesystem.
The amount of changes in Services, Core Graphics, AppKit, and much more is quite staggering.
I speak as a NeXT/Apple Engineer alum. We always brought them into the loop very early. We've had teams assigned to Adobe for decades, specifically to address their architecture changes and Apple's own. For them not to have a `sneak peek' release of their flagship products is on them.
I'm not talking Enterprise contracts: a completely different set of teams and services. Adobe has always been handheld like a child by Apple.
I know everyone is out for blood. But the didn't the APFS change JUST drop in the betas? Everyone is acting like they have had months.
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Talking about it, and implementing it for developers to use it in a beta are completely different things.
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Talking about it, and implementing it for developers to use it in a beta are completely different things.
You can still use CS6 on an older build of the OS. If security is a concern take the machine offline.I suppose Adobe won't fix the CS6 version... this is the end.
I like Procreate on the iPad. It's practically free and is amazing. I wish they would make a Mac version. They could replace photoshop in a heartbeat.
Absolutely.
What’s really amazing is that despite numerous warnings from Adobe that CS6 would not work with the last 2-3 Mac OS
updates, it continues to work fine, and now better than their Creative Cloud subscription product. That’s how full of crap this company is.
