The failure is the subscription model itself. If you buy a subscription it has to work and keep working. A perpetual license (the old model) is tied to the time of purchase. You cannot expect a product purchased 5 years ago to work on current hardware and software without modification, BUT when you subscribe to a product the provider is responsible to maintain and support the product. I think Adobe basically does not care about moving quickly on product support for two reasons, 1). They know that competition in their field is minimal and they are not threatened in the professional market. 2). They already have their subscribers. These market forces are in conflict, you cannot have OS developers insisting (or in MS case, forcing) updates to their OSes, and application developers saying that their product doesn't work properly after these updates. It should not be on the end user with a subscription license to be in effect and involuntarily "Testing" (bug collecting) for software vendors, especially in an era where updates to OSes are now so critical (and frequent) for security needs.
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Adobe Illustrator and InDesign Not Working Properly with macOS High Sierra
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What's funny is my Microsoft Office 2008 works just fine in HS as well on my PowerPC G5.
It seems every year Adobe apps has some new kind of issues with each new iteration of macOS. It's not like it's a billion dollar company with months beforehand to test their software on beta OS that millions of their customer will be using.
Yep.That's why I'm still on Yosemite (and, only recently upgraded from Mavericks, too). If I had a choice, I'd still be on Mountain Lion. All for compatibility, mind you. I actually DO like all the bells and whistles of the newer OSs. I just can't afford the TIME to figure things out and reinstall and reinstall and reinstall. I am always at least 1-2 years behind in OS updates. Purposefully.
All of this. I shoot event photography/videography and use a few Adobe products. Every year they update their software weeks, sometimes months after Apple pushes out the new OS. If you use any Adobe software professionally you already know that. Why people update to the latest and “greatest” OS knowing they need the software, just to complain, is beyond me.
Does Adobe not get an advanced release of the OS for software compatibility testing? Strange for a company producing industry-standard applications for the design and education community to not have software ready in time. (Seems that this is their norm though. Still fuming over SJ’s bitter and public hatred for Flash perhaps?)
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Apple waiting in the long grass me thinks.
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-real-reason-steve-jobs-wants-to-kill-adobe-2010-4?IR=T
This thread is weird enough - so I might as well throw this in the mix
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-real-reason-steve-jobs-wants-to-kill-adobe-2010-4?IR=T
This thread is weird enough - so I might as well throw this in the mix
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Microsoft Office for Mac 2008 still running on macOS Sierra. I wonder if it will break in High Sierra. If so, it looks like Pages will will get more play or iOS version of Microsoft Word.
Yeah they do if they want to stay in business and look professional! Plus months of beta availability is hardly having to “jump”. The subscription model should guarantee continual investment and updates - but at the bare minimum it should work consistently all the time I’m subscribing to it. As I have said elsewhere they knew it was coming. It wasn’t a secret surprise update. Day one compatibility should be there. No excuses - Adobe dropped the ball here.
And here I am, on macOS High Sierra, using Cinema 4D R9.6 released in 2006 - yes, 2006, it's not a typo - and it's working flawlessly.
Adobe really have no excuse. It's all down to mismanagement and arrogance. Their software is bloated, and as a company they're bloated too. They have spread themselves around too thinly - I've lost track of exactly how many hundreds of applications they make now. The maxim of any good company is to do a few things, but do them well. Adobe is seemingly hell-bent on doing the opposite of that.
The fact that many so-called "creatives" mindlessly turn to their products out of habit has given Adobe a false sense of security - a feeling that they can do what they want, and everyone will just accept it. But it will be their downfall.
Adobe really have no excuse. It's all down to mismanagement and arrogance. Their software is bloated, and as a company they're bloated too. They have spread themselves around too thinly - I've lost track of exactly how many hundreds of applications they make now. The maxim of any good company is to do a few things, but do them well. Adobe is seemingly hell-bent on doing the opposite of that.
The fact that many so-called "creatives" mindlessly turn to their products out of habit has given Adobe a false sense of security - a feeling that they can do what they want, and everyone will just accept it. But it will be their downfall.
Adobe primary efforts are focused on milking existing customers trapped in their ecosystem. The current leadership is just cockroaching of the diminishing legacy of long gone development talent.
Their last two big development efforts:
1. Subscription model
2. Creative Suite bundling
These were both moves to obscure their poor maintaince of existing software properties. Before these, their last big corporate move was the purchase of Macromedia. They never really bothered to develop any of that purchased IP aside from Flash, which in hindsight was horribly mismanaged in favor of easy short term returns.
Adobe has not been a forward thinking company for a long time. The poor patching of inefficient Photoshop code over the years should have been a warning sign to anybody paying attention. In the field of bloatware, They have been king for over a decade. Their only real artistic speciality is new app icons and splash screens.
[doublepost=1506760772][/doublepost]Some further perspective:
As iPhones have come into being, spawning the incredible advances in camera technology across the general population of the entire world...
... the makers of Photoshop have completely failed to capitalize on any of this in any tangible way.
Adobe is nothing more than an embarrassment to technology at this point.
Their last two big development efforts:
1. Subscription model
2. Creative Suite bundling
These were both moves to obscure their poor maintaince of existing software properties. Before these, their last big corporate move was the purchase of Macromedia. They never really bothered to develop any of that purchased IP aside from Flash, which in hindsight was horribly mismanaged in favor of easy short term returns.
Adobe has not been a forward thinking company for a long time. The poor patching of inefficient Photoshop code over the years should have been a warning sign to anybody paying attention. In the field of bloatware, They have been king for over a decade. Their only real artistic speciality is new app icons and splash screens.
[doublepost=1506760772][/doublepost]Some further perspective:
As iPhones have come into being, spawning the incredible advances in camera technology across the general population of the entire world...
... the makers of Photoshop have completely failed to capitalize on any of this in any tangible way.
Adobe is nothing more than an embarrassment to technology at this point.
The almost exponential increase in computing power and storage space in recent years, so much of which now comes as standard for everyone really, has conveniently masked how bloated and inefficient Adobe's software has become. The hardware is so fast, and the storage space so ample, that Adobe's software people have been getting lazy. They've been getting away with murder on that front quite honestly.
But now there is a really fun sub-game embedded within InDesign. Guess where the end of your drag icon is when scaling objects. I'll give you a clue... the corrupted image jumps ever so slightly when it's in the right spot.
One wonders what Adobe have been doing. Then one remembers they're the industry standard. However, I've been watching Affinity for some time and they've got some cracking good software. Though Adobe may buy them out. Either directly or through another method. Competition is good for professionals.
Why am I not aurpised. Adobe is notoriously slow with any kind of fix. This is not the first time apple has release a new os and adobe hasn’t been able to keep phase. A lot problems in adobe software has made the programs bad such as photoshop hdpi ui not workin in windows for 3+ years.
Worst of all is how badly optimized the programs are for today’s computers. Final cut compress and render movies faster on a 1st gen MacBook than premiere does on a Xeon cpu beast. Same goes for after effects. And photoshop with Wacom is less responsive on a top of the line BTO iMac than Procreate with a pen is on an iPad Pro. Despite working in same sizes and complex images. Just proves how lazy they are. Old programs that needs to be replaced, because adobe will rest on their laurels as long as they can... and I’m one of the unhappy customers paying their monthly fee.
Worst of all is how badly optimized the programs are for today’s computers. Final cut compress and render movies faster on a 1st gen MacBook than premiere does on a Xeon cpu beast. Same goes for after effects. And photoshop with Wacom is less responsive on a top of the line BTO iMac than Procreate with a pen is on an iPad Pro. Despite working in same sizes and complex images. Just proves how lazy they are. Old programs that needs to be replaced, because adobe will rest on their laurels as long as they can... and I’m one of the unhappy customers paying their monthly fee.
It’s funny how a multi-billion dollar company like Adobe takes forever to update their applications. Meanwhile Pixelmator team keeps up to date whenever Apple releases an update. Sometimes it’s becoming a joke that the consumers finds out themselves and it’s already too late. Then later on that’s the only time the company like Adobe admits, oh yeah it’s not compatible my bad. Sorry!
Yes Adobe should have been a bit more careful no doubts, but...
You haven't learned you don't upgrade immediately like you've done? Especially if you're in the middle of a release or making a product...
Then you blame Adobe for charging monthly because you prefer to buy the software that soon become obsolete and when the OS changes you're ****ed (What's the logic in here)...
Then someone doesn't know design & adv industry yet says "find alternatives to Illustrator permanently" too bad in the past years we had like Freehand, Draw!, Pagemaker and much more stuff that died because Ai was vastly superior...
A lot of people posting here seem to just deserve this.
You haven't learned you don't upgrade immediately like you've done? Especially if you're in the middle of a release or making a product...
Then you blame Adobe for charging monthly because you prefer to buy the software that soon become obsolete and when the OS changes you're ****ed (What's the logic in here)...
Then someone doesn't know design & adv industry yet says "find alternatives to Illustrator permanently" too bad in the past years we had like Freehand, Draw!, Pagemaker and much more stuff that died because Ai was vastly superior...
A lot of people posting here seem to just deserve this.
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I agree with you. I liked Aperture a lot and then migrated to Lightroom. But I find it awkward compared to Aperture. My cameras are the Nikon D5, and the D850 and also Canon EOS 1DX mkII so needed lightroom just for my watermark. Now I think i'll be looking for yet another software package
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Yes, I noticed that my CC installer was updated only a few days ago, everything at the moment seems fine! Although admittedly i have 2016 laptop and 2017 5k iMac both running with APFS... So if it ain't broke !!!!!!
Curious, is it just because of legacy lenses you have a 1DX? Just a nosey person don't mind me