ghostlyorb
macrumors 6502a
So I could buy photoshop... and use it WHEN I need to for $35 a month? Like I could buy it, use it only once and only pay $35? that's pretty cool.
Adobe Introduces Creative Suite 5.5, Subscription Editions
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jlc1978
macrumors 603
So buy the full version outright and get data plans with no caps. That's the beauty of a free market - you get to decide what you want and if the cost is worth it.
jlc1978
macrumors 603
Unless they need one of the new bells and whistles, why upgrade? The old version still works, so unless there is a must have feature then there is no compelling reason to upgrade; other than you *want* the latest version independent of *needing* it.
If they do need it, but can't afford it; they probably need to reassess their line of work.
Just like an iPhone, you really want to get it at (or soon after) release to get the max "value" before it gets superseded!
Digital Skunk
macrumors G3
True about the subscription model.
Not so much about the data caps. There's no choice with many service providers. AT&T's data plan with the iPad for one example.
More to the point, I think it's just Full of Win mentioning that it's not a very ideal solution for those in Adobe's demographic. Which is a point we can discuss. I personally feel they've got it right, but I doubt there will be any substantial market for renting the full on suites when buying them outright ends up being a cheaper/more convenient option.
Quite greedy strategy. Adobe's prices are so expensive, that you would expect a longer support for your purchase than one year (especially in Dreamweaver and Flash, because they are used in an areas where technology goes forward all the time). And anyway, probably all mid-cycle updates will be so minor that most users won't buy them - Adobe doesn't get money, they just piss off customers with these expensive service pack updates.
iDemiurge
macrumors 6502
Do I understand this correctly? You have to pay the same for an upgrade no matter if you have CS5, CS4, or even CS1? If you don't want to wait for CS6 you pay double?
This thing should be gradual and reasonable. Heck, for CS5 owners an upgrade they didn't dare adding a full point to should be free. Talk about market power here... Sure those who need it and make money with it will pay for it. But it's so cheeky it tickles.
This thing should be gradual and reasonable. Heck, for CS5 owners an upgrade they didn't dare adding a full point to should be free. Talk about market power here... Sure those who need it and make money with it will pay for it. But it's so cheeky it tickles.
angrylawyer
macrumors member
So users on the subscription model get updated to the next version as part of their subscription? So if I purchase a subscription for a year of 5.5. and CS6 comes out in june, then for no extra cost I'm able to upgrade to CS6?
Unless I've missed something, which is entirely possible, the subscription model seems to be based around temporary folks or how often the packs will be upgraded.
I mean I have 3 macs with design premium CS4. Upgrading the 5.5 would cost $1,947 out right. But if I subscribe for $95/month * 3 macs, then that's $3,420 after one year.
However if I go the non-subscription route, and CS6 comes out in less than a year from the time I would have subscribed, it's the same $649/upgrade cost, and I purchase it....then subscribing would have been cheaper by about $470. But that seems like a lot of assumptions.
Unless I've missed something, which is entirely possible, the subscription model seems to be based around temporary folks or how often the packs will be upgraded.
I mean I have 3 macs with design premium CS4. Upgrading the 5.5 would cost $1,947 out right. But if I subscribe for $95/month * 3 macs, then that's $3,420 after one year.
However if I go the non-subscription route, and CS6 comes out in less than a year from the time I would have subscribed, it's the same $649/upgrade cost, and I purchase it....then subscribing would have been cheaper by about $470. But that seems like a lot of assumptions.
jlc1978
macrumors 603
Without being too argumentative, the problem is people want a specific device and unlimited data. You can get unlimited data in a number of ways - just not necessarily with a specific device.
Actually, subscription makes sense when you consider:
a) You have the latest version at a known fixed cost
b) As a lease, rather than buy, it becomes tax deductible in full with no depreciation
c) If you only use some apps infrequently, it may be cheaper than a full suite
So it may make sense for some companies and or individuals.
Digital Skunk
macrumors G3
You don't sound argumentative at all, and in fact you make sense. I never considered the device specific data plans that do and do not have caps.
The subscription model is nice for those reasons you mention, and I do see a lot of high end Adobe shops buying into it. It does make sense for them. The small time freelancer is going to be a tough call IMHO.
I have been looking to see how Adobe will handle the initial software distribution, e.g. do I have to plunk down $xxx.xx amount of money to get the software, then pay $35 a month or whatever for the license? Haven't found anything yet.
Mr. Retrofire
macrumors 603
It matters, because it proves "pirates" are not a big problem for Adobe.
Calm down kid!
And btw, how can a "thieving child" use "pro tools" in a professional way? Does not make any sense.
I think we should call them "Professional Pirates (without a ship)". *lol*
DustinT
macrumors 68000
Lol, not bad.
bpaluzzi
macrumors 6502a
Whatever you say...
sarge
macrumors 6502a
I tend to agree. The subscription model is being adopted everywhere, much to my chagrin. In 10 years time the idea of owning software will seem quaint.
Mr. Retrofire
macrumors 603
Students pay either less (edu-discount-not just in the U.S.) for their Mac, buy a refurbished model or buy a used Mac from the previous owner. In the best case, this reduces the price of a previous generation Mac to one third or even to 25 percent of the original price.
And who says, students are rich? You, or what!? *lol*
sarge
macrumors 6502a
Don't worry about it. The guys who can't afford to pay for it and pirate it are usually the folks who just want to "hoard" it rather than use it. If they had any talent to begin with, they'd be making enough money with the tool where the cost of it would be meaningless anyway.
I can't count the number of people I've met whose livelihoods are made as graphic artists or photographers and are using pirated software. Hard for me to see any justification in that...
sarge
macrumors 6502a
I know teachers who use pirated software. I mean that's just Unconscionable
netnothing
macrumors 68040
Problem is, Adobe in the past has been really bad at updating, even basic bugs etc with current versions of software. Basically, once a new version comes out....seems Adobe likes to bail on previous users with patches and bug fixes.
Me personally, I paid a lot for CS5, and I'd like at a minimum to be able to get bug fixes, patches, performance tweaks, for longer than 1 year. Ok, when CS6 is released, fine....scale back up bug fixes, etc. But I don't buy this half point release BS.
-Kevin
Nobody is forcing you to upgrade your OS or your computer every other year. Just because Apple introduces a new upgrade doesn't mean you need to upgrade right away, either. In fact if you're right in the middle of a client job, you'd be a fool to try it.
Even if you lease Photoshop every month—which everybody before me in this thread pointed out it's a crappy deal— if you can't make $35/month in jobs with it, maybe you should a) rethink your business plan/up your prices or b) go into a different line of work. Every trade needs its tools. Photoshop is just another tool.
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having said that, i wish there was a way to pirate idevices since $50 some billion is not enough for apple
bushido
Suspended
lol a lecturer ik hands out his PS5 copy to his students
jlc1978
macrumors 603
i agree - as an independent myself I really have to justify outlays based on revenue potential. I no long can just write a purchase order and spend the corporate cash. OTOH, it has made me more aware of other tools beside the big guys that do what I need at a fraction of the cost.
Neither have I, but if the require a cash outlay plus a monthly fee then it'll be a non-starter for many small businesses or freelancers. If they really want their business (and maybe convert some people who use pirated versions) they'd make it a flat fee, pay as you go deal; with maybe a cheaper rate if you buy x months at a time. That would let people jump in and out of the products as they need them, get support from Adobe, and help them decide if they want to buy or continue to rent the software.
ynocturnal
macrumors newbie
Hmmm, so I wonder what will the pricing be for those that don't jump to 5.5? Will 5 to 6 be priced the same as 5.5 to 6? What will be cheaper?
Ubuntu
macrumors 68020
You write this here? On a site focused around one of the greediest companies in the world?