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Adobe Introduces Creative Suite 5.5, Subscription Editions
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OK, so we've established that you are a pirate, AND a hypocrite.
No, not 100%. You can't possibly know, unless you've surveyed every CSX pirate there ever was. Case in point. You have a full time job, and in this inflating economy, it's not enough to support your family. So, you try to do a little work on the side - just to help pay the bills. Does this person have $1200 to spend on the software? No way. Would he like to? Of course, but his family comes first.
No, again. not any goofball can learn Photoshop and Illustrator. You need to have a certain amount of talent in order to make sense of the tools your are working with. Also, each one can enhance the usability of the other over time with practice, and a lot of trial and error.
So everyone who pirates qualifies for the EDU version? Is lying to get the EDU version better than pirating the full version?
So you're saying this theoritical guy that doesn't already have a copy of the CS5 program he's talented in using wouldn't make enough money to pay for it but would make enough to support his family ?
Case in point, people who pirate the CS5 Master Suite probably don't ever use half the applications in it and probably don't have the required talent to even use it professionally. People who do either have their work pay for it or can afford themselves as freelancers.
You agree with him. You're saying the same thing as he is, that without the talent and knowledge to make sense of the tool, all you're doing is clicking through the tools as the tutorials you've found dictate and not actually "designing" anything using them or even doing art at all.
IE, talentless hacks thinking that because they read through "Teach yourself Photoshop CS5 in 24 hours", they're now a graphics artist.
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This. For agencies who hire temporary designers paying $129 for a month's liscense is a great idea. (Rather than have to purchase a full copy at retail).
I'm not getting it because I'm not paying $549 to go from CS5 MC to 5.5. It's a cash grab and I can live without the new features. I always wait until the next FULL update.
Good lord stop trying to convince everyone that stealing software is a noble and just cause. It isn't, it's wrong and if you cannot afford the software use something else and/or get a new job.
When I went freelance I didn't have a ton of cash, and certainly just had enough to put 'food on the table' as you say, but guess what? I got the software and wrote it off in taxes reducing the cost anyway. Why? Because I want to be a legit freelancer and I made 33x more than the cost of the software so I'd say it was worth it.
When I went freelance I didn't have a ton of cash, and certainly just had enough to put 'food on the table' as you say, but guess what? I got the software and wrote it off in taxes reducing the cost anyway. Why? Because I want to be a legit freelancer and I made 33x more than the cost of the software so I'd say it was worth it.
Interesting discussion.
It seems that many people pirate Adobe products because they want to learn the tools, but don't have a job to pay for it's high prices. Those who are anti-piracy seem to argue that if you have the tools and the know-how than you can easily make enough money to pay for the price.
Do those in the anti-piracy camp have major issues with someone who pirates Adobe products, but doesn't "profit" from them?....i.e doesn't make even enough money to cover the costs of the original products or even makes zero dollars?
Of course it is still illegal, but it seems like everyone's defense revolves around "if you make money off of a product than you should pay for it"..
I personally feel that pirating is wrong in ALL cases. However, I couldn't care less if someone pirated it, and profited in NO way.
Piracy aside, I do think it's interesting to see Adobe going this way, and I don't think it will pay off. At a time when Apple is enabling developers with it's App store to be able to charge less for apps, but earn more money with a higher volume of downloads. Not to mention the customer gets some amazing benefits by using the app store: integration with the os (think Launchpad), easy updates, multiple licenses across a users account, use of itunes account to make purchases, etc
Seems like Adobe is just BEGGING for developers to take away their business. It's already happening with pixelmator, aperature, etc doing 80% of what adobe does, but at fraction of the cost.
I give it one more year, and Adobe's products will be entirely replaceable by App store Apps that will be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper. Developers will be making their money, the apps will be cheap enough that piracy won't be as big of an issue, and everyone will be happy (except Adobe....and those heavily invested into their software model, and business).
It seems that many people pirate Adobe products because they want to learn the tools, but don't have a job to pay for it's high prices. Those who are anti-piracy seem to argue that if you have the tools and the know-how than you can easily make enough money to pay for the price.
Do those in the anti-piracy camp have major issues with someone who pirates Adobe products, but doesn't "profit" from them?....i.e doesn't make even enough money to cover the costs of the original products or even makes zero dollars?
Of course it is still illegal, but it seems like everyone's defense revolves around "if you make money off of a product than you should pay for it"..
I personally feel that pirating is wrong in ALL cases. However, I couldn't care less if someone pirated it, and profited in NO way.
Piracy aside, I do think it's interesting to see Adobe going this way, and I don't think it will pay off. At a time when Apple is enabling developers with it's App store to be able to charge less for apps, but earn more money with a higher volume of downloads. Not to mention the customer gets some amazing benefits by using the app store: integration with the os (think Launchpad), easy updates, multiple licenses across a users account, use of itunes account to make purchases, etc
Seems like Adobe is just BEGGING for developers to take away their business. It's already happening with pixelmator, aperature, etc doing 80% of what adobe does, but at fraction of the cost.
I give it one more year, and Adobe's products will be entirely replaceable by App store Apps that will be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper. Developers will be making their money, the apps will be cheap enough that piracy won't be as big of an issue, and everyone will be happy (except Adobe....and those heavily invested into their software model, and business).
What people don't understand is that the rental prices are beneficial for new startup design firms or freelance creative professionals to get started right away in an affordable price UNTIL they have money or better credit to make a full purchase by that time. Adobe, I think, is doing the right thing here.
I do not condone piracy or stealing off Adobe products JUST because they're expensive. The software is NOT a kiddie doodle app for hobbyists. This is PRO level we are talking here.
If they had any talent to begin with, they'd be making enough money with the tool where the cost of it would be meaningless anyway.
You must be new to the creative field.
all the more for using gimp right? not bad for the part time manipulator I am and freeeeeeeeee
And I don'y have to put up with this crap from Adobe...I feel for ya
And I don'y have to put up with this crap from Adobe...I feel for ya
Yes. It's stealing, download a trial version and if you like it buy it. If not go get a cheaper solution elsewhere.
People have been saying this for a decade and instead the competition has been eaten or don't exist anymore. There is more than Adobe's apps but the entire collaboration between native files within the suite.
Could it happen? Sure. But they will have be big enough to fight a buyout buy Adobe and/or come out with an entire suite (page layout, photo and web etc) to directly compete as a 'package' to really make in the professional realm of agencies etc.
lmao!
So here we have a bunch of guys complaining that Adobe likes to take your money and that its overpriced and what not...pretty weird since i don't see you guys making complaints when Apple is making you pay twice sometimes 3 times the price of what hardware is actually worth...especially in the Mac Pro department....nobody complains when Apple is giving you crap outdated 2009 video cards in 2010 -2011 computers while expecting you to pay as much in 2011 as you would in 2009.
Just saying that Apple probably has the biggest hypocritical user base of all user bases...always criticizing something but never Apple because Apple is the best wright...this could be the case in the past but these days the only thing Apple is great at is releasing poorly build and full of error machines.
on the Adobe thing, just go ahead and download it already and download a nice album for whilst your working, maybe a movie to relax in the evening if the price is to high, have fun getting stuff for free lives expensive enough as it is...everybody here probably did some pirating but hey lets all act as if we are 100% legit LOL, its not as if Adobe's CEO is going to starve from hunger...besides that i'm totally pro piracy yup...why should the arrogant west be the only ones whom have access to good software...how about the talented guys/kids...in poor country's whom hardly have enough money to buy food...why shouldn't they be allowed to use the software, watch new movies, listen to nice tunes...prices should be fair, as long as prices ain't fair there can't be fairplay in the game
So here we have a bunch of guys complaining that Adobe likes to take your money and that its overpriced and what not...pretty weird since i don't see you guys making complaints when Apple is making you pay twice sometimes 3 times the price of what hardware is actually worth...especially in the Mac Pro department....nobody complains when Apple is giving you crap outdated 2009 video cards in 2010 -2011 computers while expecting you to pay as much in 2011 as you would in 2009.
Just saying that Apple probably has the biggest hypocritical user base of all user bases...always criticizing something but never Apple because Apple is the best wright...this could be the case in the past but these days the only thing Apple is great at is releasing poorly build and full of error machines.
on the Adobe thing, just go ahead and download it already and download a nice album for whilst your working, maybe a movie to relax in the evening if the price is to high, have fun getting stuff for free lives expensive enough as it is...everybody here probably did some pirating but hey lets all act as if we are 100% legit LOL, its not as if Adobe's CEO is going to starve from hunger...besides that i'm totally pro piracy
yup...why should the arrogant west be the only ones whom have access to good software...how about the talented guys/kids...in poor country's whom hardly have enough money to buy food...why shouldn't they be allowed to use the software, watch new movies, listen to nice tunes...prices should be fair, as long as prices ain't fair there can't be fairplay in the game
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While you're at it why not steal car if you can't pay for it? Or go to your local store and swipe an iPhone because you can't afford it? Sounds reasonable then I'm sure.
Also, while I'd love cheaper pricing, they are basing their pricing off of economic considerations from their home country and pricing their software accordingly. And it always cracks me to hear "no one will starve they makes lots of money!" well they have to in order to keep making new software!
Also, while I'd love cheaper pricing, they are basing their pricing off of economic considerations from their home country and pricing their software accordingly. And it always cracks me to hear "no one will starve they makes lots of money!" well they have to in order to keep making new software!
on the Adobe thing, just go ahead and download it already and download a nice album for whilst your working, maybe a movie to relax in the evening... if the price is to high and have fun...everybody here probably did some pirating but hey lets all act as if we are 100% legit LOL, its not as if Adobe's CEO is going to starve from hunger...besides that i'm totally pro piracy
While you're at it why not steal car if you can't pay for it? Or go to your local store and swipe an iPhone because you can't afford it? Sounds reasonable then I'm sure.
Also, while I'd love cheaper pricing, they are basing their pricing off of economic considerations from their home country and pricing their software accordingly. And it always cracks me to hear "no one will starve they makes lots of money!" well they have to in order to keep making new software!
see here is where your wrong, i'm not saying you should go and steel from the working class guy...i say take what you got coming...the way i see it, the only reason we can afford to buy a mac and software is because of the west exploiting today's poor country's...your entire world is build on theft in every meaning of the word,yet your to ignorant to see except you guys came up with a name for all the thievery and called it business overseas. Again this proves how ignorant/arrogant the west is, they just took whatever didn't belonged to them, they even took entire country's (does the word colonization mean something to you?) exploited the country's then left the people there to starve because the "civilized" western country's made it impossible for them to build an economy simply because the stripped the entire country of its riches...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/african-bioresources-exploited-by-west-466824.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization
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I remember having to take out a significant loan for my first computer. I might as well have bought a ferrari and left it on blocks in my driveway because I couldn't afford any software. Boy was I disappointed
Personally, I think access to opportunity thru education is critical to a functioning society I don't think it's reasonable for underprivlidged students to have to learn photoshop from a 'trial' version ( not every middle school or highschool in the country has access to these tools.
If buying the software legally represented a financial hardship (as it once did for me) you can easily find yourself resenting not only the people who don't pay for software but the software company itself for not placing a fair value on your solicitude (support issues, bug fixes, exhorbitant upgrade fees).
I fully agree with the concept of a fair playing field. Maybe the middle ground is going to be found in the cloud, but I doubt it.
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Looks like I become a monthly slave to company subscribtions
Looks like I become a monthly slave to company subscribtions
I looked at going from Master Collection CS 4 to CS 5.5, especially as I have a spare Mac license that I'd rather upgrade... that cost is $949.
O U C H.
It's too early to say what CS5->CS6 will be; it could be the same $550 or it could be $950.
Future upgrades might just be the Web Premium package and sticking with the standard CS5 releases for the non-essential apps.
But, as they sell less, they'll just raise the prices again. As if that will magically increase market share in return...
Except the cloud might be manipulated by subscription, terms of use, and other policies that do far more to benefit the cloud service (SaaS) provider. Especially regarding copyrights... in return, the cloud has one relying more on the security and storage of the cloud vendor. Since cloud vendors are only interested in the money, they're not going to take the same level of care or precautions we otherwise would.
Until, amongst other things, your own wage is determined by "market forces". What appears to be gold is really iron pyrite sold on a silver-plated platter.
And if companies start wanting welfare while otherwise saying to us how the free market is "good". Like FedEx: http://www.progress.org/cwfedex.htm
So there's a grace period.
But as far as I can tell it's a secret grace period. I can't find any mention of how recently you must have purchased it.