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Adobe Premiere for Mac terminated

let the conspiracy and paranoia begin!

This was a simple business decision, nothing more, nothing less. Adobe will always have it's major Graphics Apps for the Mac - they are making lots of money with them. Photoshop is king, and it will not be toppled, it's way too embedded, and it's way too good! Apple will not try and replace photoshop with it's own, that would be an act of suicide!
 
Photoshop and Painter are two totally different apps

Listen, Painter does things in a totally different way than Photoshop. They are two programs that take digital imaging manipulation in two different directions. There is NO WAY you can say that Painter is better than Photoshop and worthy of replacing it. They're just different. Personally, I love them both, and use them daily, and I hope they stay separate, because otherwise it will become one big bloated mess!
 
Not good for a few reasons that I can think of:

1) Another step by Adobe away from the Mac platform. If they were to pull Photoshop away from Apple, I assume a large number of Mac users would have no choice but to move to the Wintel platform.

2) Lack of competition. With less competitive products, there is less incentive for programs like Final Cut Pro/Express to innovate.


In itself, the loss of Premiere on the Mac platform may be relatively insignificant, but if the trend continues, it will definitely hurt Apple.

I returned to Apple (after about 15 years) three months ago. I absolutely love working in OS X, but without Photoshop, I doubt I would continue to invest in Apple's products.
 
Personally, I had drooped Premier upon the first time ever using Final Cut, I even found that basic video editing was faster and more productive in iMovie then Premiere, no spilt milk here.

I don't ever see Adobe removing Photoshop or Illustrator or even any of the page layout applications form the mac. There is just too many users, legal users.
 
Originally posted by Pablo
Not good for a few reasons that I can think of:

1) Another step by Adobe away from the Mac platform. If they were to pull Photoshop away from Apple, I assume a large number of Mac users would have no choice but to move to the Wintel platform.

2) Lack of competition. With less competitive products, there is less incentive for programs like Final Cut Pro/Express to innovate.


In itself, the loss of Premiere on the Mac platform may be relatively insignificant, but if the trend continues, it will definitely hurt Apple.

I returned to Apple (after about 15 years) three months ago. I absolutely love working in OS X, but without Photoshop, I doubt I would continue to invest in Apple's products.
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You're jumping the gun here. You're already assuming that they're going to kill PS for Mac, and that's incredibly naive. They don't need crap like that photo album thing for Mac (iPhoto and iView as competitors) and they SURELY don't need Premiere, with FCP and to a lesser extent, FCE being much more integrated and developed products.

I think this is gonna allow Adobe to focus more on their OSX releases for Mac-- PS 8 is gonna be OSX only. And that's a good sign. I think Adobe understands how much $$ there is to be made selling even only Illustrator, PS and Indesign on Mac. And they're not gonna risk that cash cow. Ever.
 
Adobe didn't do enough to optimize their code for Altivec. While the Altivec webpage on Apple shows Premier as an Altivec optimized application, benchmark after benchmark showed no advantage to Premier's tools using Altivec. Adobe lost interest in Premier on the Mac at least a year ago. Thank goodness Apple now has the cheaper Final Cut Express.
 
well well.....

no more IE for mac, and now no more Premier--tread careful Steve, we don't want this to become a habit --
 
Originally posted by Moxiemike
You're jumping the gun here. You're already assuming that they're going to kill PS for Mac, and that's incredibly naive. They don't need crap like that photo album thing for Mac (iPhoto and iView as competitors) and they SURELY don't need Premiere, with FCP and to a lesser extent, FCE being much more integrated and developed products.
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No, I'm not.

Originally posted by Pablo
Not good for a few reasons that I can think of:

1) Another step by Adobe away from the Mac platform. If they were to pull Photoshop away from Apple, I assume a large number of Mac users would have no choice but to move to the Wintel platform.
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Re: I know, but this still sucks big time

Originally posted by MacSlut
Final Cut Express is nice at $99, but not capable of a lot of things that Premiere could do.
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Final Cut Express is $299, not $99, and from what I can tell it does everything Final Cut Pro 3 did, though only in DV format. I haven't used Premiere for... what... seven years? What can it do that FCE can't? Other than be resolution-independent, of course; for that you need FCP.
 
Adobe

Originally posted by gopher
Thank goodness Apple now has the cheaper Final Cut Express.
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It's not like Final Cut Express of Final Cut were really in the same competitive space. FCP began its run as an Apple application already better than Premiere with a price to match. FCE, not so much and its borderline swap-meet cost made it seem like an "Elements." That means that the market in general needed more than what Premiere was offering if there was a more than gradual shift to FCP despite its higher cost.

Originally posted by h'biki
But this is potentially troubling news - what if Adobe killed After Effects and Photoshop for Mac?
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We have to stop pretending that these companies are these personal entities that make business decisions based on emotional temper tantrums. How in the world could Adobe justify killing off any of these products for the platform?

What you have to realize is, the only companies who can make threats of retaliation in such are the ones with actual power to do so. And when your survival as a company depends on your current cash income, you don't have that power, especially when that income is from the product in question.

Adobe doesn't have the power to retaliate against Apple by ceasing development on those two programs because they need the revenue from those programs' sales, no matter how much smaller than PC version sales it maybe. They aren't in the best of financial situations. And I'm sure Apple took all of that into consideration when they were in the planning phase of even acquiring FCP. (Basic risk analysis)

When someone like Apple or Microsoft pushes you around a little but doesn't actually take your lunch money, you end up just rolling with the punches and finding somewhere else to sit.


-Hertz
 
Originally posted by Pablo
I returned to Apple (after about 15 years) three months ago. I absolutely love working in OS X, but without Photoshop, I doubt I would continue to invest in Apple's products.
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Sounds like you feel like Photoshop is next on the chopping block from this line. ;)

Seriously though, it's a general fault of this forum to jump to conclusions. And it's ok. It's the stuff of rumor legends.

But hear this: Adobe will NEVER cut PS for Mac until Apple develops Photo Studio Pro or Dark Room Pro or a competing editor. ;)

I remember when iPhoto was in the works-- everyone thought Adobe was holding off releasing PS7 for OSX because of it. hehe
 
Re: well well.....

Originally posted by jbrown
no more IE for mac, and now no more Premier--tread careful Steve, we don't want this to become a habit --
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Couldn't agree more, doesn't matter if FCP is better ( which is ), the more apps the better. Competition and different price ranges can only be a good thing
 
-All

I seem to recall a press release from Adobe last year about how they were done developing Premeir for the Mac due to the fact that FCP3 was kicking the tar out of them - and that was before FCX was announced.
 
Originally posted by hvfsl
There already is a better product than PhotoShop, Corels Painter. Most of the PC mags are saying it is better as well. It is just PhotoShop is now a standard like M$ Office and will take a long time for someone to beat it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Right.
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Does Apple offer an Upgrade to FCP from Premiere?

I have After Affects and Premiere and I thought I'd love to try FCP... I can't afford to do that right now... Not that I have an immediate switch, but I'd like to update it when I buy a G5.

I'd hate to have all my mulitmedia tools on my Mac and then have premire on my pc... that would be switching in the wrong direction....
 
Premiere has just been getting Demolished.

Adobe's problem is that they have their Crown Jewel...Photoshop. It is irreplaceable. Illustrator and Indesign are not. Premiere and After Effects can easily be replaced by FCP and Combustion.

Adobe has not done a good job competing in other apps beyond Photoshop and Indesign. Had they focused on Digital Video...AE and Premiere wouldn't have fallen so far behind.

Adobe...you MUST compete. No ones going to buy your products just because they think you're a great company. Get a fire under your azz fellas.
 
Premier was such an awful and underpowered application from day one. It was extremely buggy and thus extremely unstable in every release. Luckily it was equally crappy on both Windows and the Macintosh... even with a new version for Windows XP it gets it's butt kicked all over the place by Vegas Video which is a vastly superior peice of software.

Goodbye Premier, Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
 
R.I.P.

Good! Premiere Sucks A$$.
FCP blew it out of the water the day it had multiple sequences per project.

rest in peace, Premiere.
 
FCE is no FCP

Final Cut Express is $299, not $99, and from what I can tell it does everything Final Cut Pro 3 did, though only in DV format. I haven't used Premiere for... what... seven years? What can it do that FCE can't? Other than be resolution-independent, of course; for that you need FCP.
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Not even close. I can tell you've never used FCP...or at least not to it's fullest capabilities. FCE is REALLY stripped down. No keyframinig of effects is a big thing. You can't even Keyframe things like text tracking. You can't keyframe thngs like opacity, or at least not easily as you can in FCP. Moving from FCE to FCP might not be too bad, but moving from FCP to FCE is darn near impossible because you can't FIND anything. Plus, with version 4, you've got a pile of extra apps that don't ship with FCE.

So, those who wonder just WHY FCP is $700 more than FCE...trust me, with what you get, Apple could have made FCP $1499 and it STILL would have been a steal.

But since FCP is only a few hundred more than Premiere...it makes sense to just move to it. There's a LOT more power in FCP.
 
adobe's trying to make money, so if they can't sell enough premiere, it's quite reasonable to drop it. I don't think we mac folks really even need it anymore since we have a good (better?) alternative.

this doesn't touch me much though as I do very little video editing (done only one 6 minute film, and it was with iMovie 3).
 
The only real problem with Adobe's anouncement is that the Wintel press is going to be all over this story and the cancellation of IE for Mac and say it is the beginning of the end for Apple. This would then influence buyers which might decrease Apple's sales. I get Macworld and PCW, which has stuff about Macs, Windows and Linux (although mainly Windows). I normally find it fairly good on promoting Macs as being easy to use etc, but even they were making a big deal out of now IE for the Mac.
 
Originally posted by pgwalsh
Does Apple offer an Upgrade to FCP from Premiere?

I have After Affects and Premiere and I thought I'd love to try FCP... I can't afford to do that right now... Not that I have an immediate switch, but I'd like to update it when I buy a G5.

I'd hate to have all my mulitmedia tools on my Mac and then have premire on my pc... that would be switching in the wrong direction....
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You sound like the perect person for Final Cut Express. I've never used the program, but if it is anything like Final cut Pro, I'm sure that I would love it.

However, if there is ANY way that you can get Final Cut Pro, do it. The upgrade to 4 was huge (and that is an understatement). You essentially have about 4 programs all coming in one package. Final Cut Pro is no olonger and editing application, it's a freakin' video suite.

P-Worm
 
Re: well well.....

Originally posted by jbrown
no more IE for mac, and now no more Premier--tread careful Steve, we don't want this to become a habit --
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Yes, Steve. Be careful, and don't let Apple's recent success rush to your head. You can't do everything . Well, at least not yet. :)
 
Originally posted by hvfsl
The only real problem with Adobe's anouncement is that the Wintel press is going to be all over this story and the cancellation of IE for Mac and say it is the beginning of the end for Apple. This would then influence buyers which might decrease Apple's sales.
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Sad but true. Read what CNET said about this news:

Adobe Systems plans to announce new versions of its video-editing software Monday, including a Windows-only application that marks another high-profile defection from Apple Computer's Macintosh operating system.
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Another high-profile defection? BTW, Adobe did pull that stupid "PC preferred" page after the G5 was announced... correct?
 
There is no "if" in Photoshop being cancelled for the mac!

Photoshop will always be available for the Mac.

ANYWAY,

I don't know too much about video editing, but it seems to me that the lines have been drawn:

if you want to do mediocre video editing using an inferior product - go wintel

if you want to do the best video editing using the right product - go Mac

Especially with the G5 around the corner...

am I right?
 
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