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Adobe Premiere for Mac terminated

my friend just built a PC with a hardware premiere card, I tried to get him to switch to mac pleanty of times. All my PC using video editing friends joke about his copy of premiere being the only one that doesn't crash, as all of theirs are bootleg.

It's been my experience that Premiere has a very MacOS 7 feel to it. For those of us who actually remember OS7 it was really quite bare bones straight forward using. Premiere just feels that way to me, maybe because we probably had OS7 when it came out. heh.

Personally I can't wait to get my hands on FCP4 (running FCP3 now) and I was only motivated to go to FCP once i realized apple was all over the place with iMovie. No iMovie for OSX has ever worked perfectly. iMovie2 for OS 9 was the best. iM2X had timeline issues and rendering problems. iMovie3 is quite slow on my mac which used to run iMovie 1 and 2 perfectly. Plus not even my brother's 1ghz 17" Powerbook can play back a movie in iMovie3 with lots of sub-second clips. Damn it apple I loved iMovie, but now i get to learn to love FCP. Ehh, worse things have happened, right? :)
 
One note. Another one of my friends had always been using Premiere until it crapepd out on him (had a very impresive project, and Premiere wouldn't let him export it after it rendered, what a shame) So he finally got a mac, a DVD-R eMac. He loves that thing so much now, he rants about OSX superiority almost as much as I do now...
 
no one is surprised by the axing of premiere. no one should be. i do wonder where the competition will come from on the apple front, but i don't necessarilly think that will slow development. FCP4 answered problems exposed by users, not competitors. provided apple keeps listenng to user feedback, FCP will continue to innovate and lead the pack.

on a side note, after effects isn't really in trouble, IMO. It's price point and package works in the apple market for now.
 
Re: well well.....

Originally posted by jbrown
no more IE for mac, and now no more Premier--tread careful Steve, we don't want this to become a habit --
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I couldn't agree more. Losing Premier is not terrible, but if we keep losing apps, that could become a problem. Is Premier even any good on Windows?
 
A little example of just how good FCP is:

My school's IT department wanted to get everyone on the campus migrated over to Dells running WinXP, so they asked the broadcasting department to justify keeping their Mac G4s. The tech guy there said something I will never forget, which was "I'll take any machine that can run Final Cut Pro"

And that was that. They still have their Mac G4s and are still running FCP.
 
Originally posted by XnavxeMiyyep
Does that mean it's not gonna be for Windows?
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I think it means that it will be OS X and Windows only, with no OS 9 support.

Having no PS for Windows would probably be a really, really, really good thing for Apple.
 
Adobe and video app competition

I would have been much more alarmed had Adobe dropped After Effects for the Mac, but they, in fact, announced the new After Effects with all the OpenGL enhancements for OS X (only?).

Adobe is showing good business acumen to not develop packages for the Mac where Apple's own offerings are really strong (and naturally, PC pundits like Roger Kay automatically spin the issue like it's a bad thing for Apple). Is anyone really crying about Adobe Encore not coming to the Mac when we've already got DVD Studio Pro 2? OTOH, After Effects still has a good niche mostly to itself - Shake is priced and targeted at another astral plane.

Avid is still around for both Mac and Wintel. When the heck is Avid Free going to actually ship, though?

None of this news hurt Apple's stock so far today: it's back up over 20 now.
 
Kinda strange Adobe would let Premiere for Mac roll over and die instead of beefing it up to compete with FCP. If it was Microsoft or Quark who was beating them would they just give up? I guess it's just that FCP is Mac only so they can still attempt to rule the Win market.
 
Be careful....

I can understand how everyone prefers FCE/FCP, and I do as well, HOWEVER, I enjoyed having Premiere on the Mac so that I could do projects on my PC as well. Speaking of which, my PC is only a month old....I bought it because certain Macromedia products are Windows only.

Apple does make great products, but, I like having a choice. As much as I like Apple, I don't want them responsible for everything on the computer. Hardware and OS and some good apps are nice, but I switched from Windows to get away from a monopoly.

In the end, people will buy the computer their programs are made for. For example, Mr X has been using Premier forever on the PC and now wants to switch...."is Premiere available for my G5...not anymore" his choice would be spend $200 or so for an upgrade or $999 for a copy of FCP, plus his new G5...would you switch ?

I really support Apple's quest for good, honest and usually better products....but, killing off the competition is very like what I was trying to get away from.

Tim
 
Re: Re: well well.....

Originally posted by PowerBook User
Is Premier even any good on Windows?
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In my experiance, no.

I know everyone's is going to be ringing the death nell for Apple now ("oh no, first the crappy browser, now the crappy video edtior"), but we know better. As mentioned, a new version of After Effects has been released. OS X compatible. Not only does it look better and is much faster, but I think it's cheaper.

Adobe would be crazy to drop the Mac platform. Photoshop (especially the Mac version) is still it's flagship product, even if the .PDF stuff is it's bread and butter right now. Not many Pro image editors will want to go PC. They'll just stick with old versions over upgrading all their hardware and software to add a few shortcuts and features they could probably get with third-parties anyway. My sister being one of them.

You can do audio/video/image editing on a PC (I have, unfortunetly). But even if things are a little faster (debatable), it is much easier on a Mac.

Besides, remember the uproar over Quark going PC only. If that happened, you wouldn't see more PC users. You would've seen more InDesign users. ;)
 
Re: Be careful....

Originally posted by TMJ1974
In the end, people will buy the computer their programs are made for. For example, Mr X has been using Premier forever on the PC and now wants to switch...."is Premiere available for my G5...not anymore" his choice would be spend $200 or so for an upgrade or $999 for a copy of FCP, plus his new G5...would you switch ?

I really support Apple's quest for good, honest and usually better products....but, killing off the competition is very like what I was trying to get away from.
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Again, you can still buy Premier 6.5 (OS X compatible). Or Final Cut Express for around Premiers upgrade price. Speaking from experiance, anyone going from Premier on a PC is going to want to switch FOR Final Cut.

Shoot, sometimes I'd take iMovie over anything on the PC side.

Competition is good. We wouldn't want to see Apple stagnate. But I doubt they are going to make the same mistakes Quark and Adobe have been making and let someone come out with something competitve while they're sitting on their hands. At least not any time soon.

Apple bought Final Cut from Macromedia (who were doing nothing with it) and made it competitive. FCP was more expensive, but better than Premier. Adobe could have fought back, but instead they gave in. And I don't blame them for discontinuing it.

This isn't exactly like M$ where they just steal everything from the competition and release an inferior product.

When Apple steals something, at least they have the decency to release a better product. ;) (though, most of the time, they do seem more to buy or license stuff... not steal it. most of the time)
 
Mixed bag...

Well, I haven't done any video editing at all, so I don't have any specific product opinions myself, but I'm going to blab anyway.

Think Team Rocket:

Apple no longer has competition, which may make them lazy "That's bad..."

They can now sell more copies of FCP, theoretically, especially with rocking new hardware "That's good!"

It looks bad for them to lose major apps "That's bad..."

It may also give FCP recognition as a product so good it drove Adobe off the platform "That's good!"

Professionals who are too attached to Premiere may backswitch "That's bad..."

With all this attention to FCP, perhaps it will garner enough recognition, with new hardware and a G5 Optimized new version, to cause more switchers to G5s "That's good!!!"

Anyway. What I want to know is, if Mac users make up only 10-20% of Premiere users, what percentage of Photoshop users are on Windows?

Sorry for the dorky post, just...well let's just say too many kiddie movies in my unemployed time...
 
Re: FCE is no FCP

Originally posted by Keynoteuser
Not even close. I can tell you've never used FCP...or at least not to it's fullest capabilities. FCE is REALLY stripped down.
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Go back and read again, more carefully this time. The question was not about how Final Cut Express compares to Final Cut Pro. Final Cut Pro is more like a Smoke or a Media Composer than anything, albeit without all the spiffy realtime features of either of those platforms.

The question was about how Final Cut Express compares to Premiere. And the answer, of course, is "very favorably."
 
Re: Mixed bag...

Originally posted by BaghdadBob
Apple no longer has competition, which may make them lazy "That's bad..."
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There is still the competition of Avid.

The low end Avid products compete with Final Cut Pro.

Which leads me to another point. Is Avid going to drop their Mac versions just because Apple has made a good product? No, because Avid's programs are high quality too. It makes me laugh that Adobe is blaming Apple for their product failing on the Mac.

Premiere died on the Mac long before FCP came out.
 
Originally posted by nuckinfutz
It is irreplaceable. Illustrator and Indesign are not. Premiere and After Effects can easily be replaced by FCP and Combustion.
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Hmmm. FCP definitely replaces premiere, but I don't know about the rest. There was never a huge installed base of Premiere users to contend with (and those who use it, hated it), but AE is definitely crushing combustion and I don't think Freehand and Quark are shaking in their shoes...

Working in motion graphics, I know 0 people who use combustion (aside from the particles) and 1 person who uses shake (and he works on 2k film trailers, and still uses AE a lot.) Compare that to about 50 who use AE full time.

If Adobe released AE 7 for PC only, most people I know would go out and buy a PC. But then again, all these same people are going to buy AE 6 for OS X. Money talks, BS walks.

PS - add me to the list of people happy to spit on premiere's grave. The only editor I hate more is Media 100.

-a
 
Originally posted by ibookin'
I think it means that it will be OS X and Windows only, with no OS 9 support.

Having no PS for Windows would probably be a really, really, really good thing for Apple.
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That would be awesome though:D
 
Re: Re: Mixed bag...

Originally posted by rDLr
There is still the competition of Avid.

The low end Avid products compete with Final Cut Pro.

Which leads me to another point. Is Avid going to drop their Mac versions just because Apple has made a good product? No, because Avid's programs are high quality too. It makes me laugh that Adobe is blaming Apple for their product failing on the Mac.

Premiere died on the Mac long before FCP came out.
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You got that right, the very first version of Imovie rendered way faster than Premiere 6 on the mac. Adobe stopped improving it long ago what did they think would happen?
The same thing happened with avid a couple of years ago when they slowed Mac development. What did they think apple would do?? Apple bought final cut and it now it kicks the Avid stuff!
I find it hard to believe these companies that started on the mac think that they can survive in the PC's cheapest is best environment?? I'm glad the Mac is getting more horsepower, more reason to develop for the Mac!! It will be a cold day before I switch to a pc to do my work and play, peace
daniel
 
I don't understand why there are more negative ratings then positive on the front page. I really hate those ratings. how is this negative? It means Adobe respects FCP and bows down to it being superior. This means Apple will have more revenue and therefore can spend more money on FCP's development.

This was a business solution. Most of their customers left for FCP. They admitted FCP was stealing business and therefore wasn't worth continuing development. How does that translate to the rest of their apps? It doesn't. As long as their other apps sell on the mac, they will continue their full steam ahead development. That's positive. It also means, Adobe feeling the heat from Quark, Macromedia, Corel and now Apple will just have to spend that more time and effort on their apps. And the G5 gives Apple the staying power the guarantees continuing development of high end apps.

I don't see how that warrants negative ratings. Please arn, get rid of the ratings.
 
Originally posted by Pablo
Not good for a few reasons that I can think of:
2) Lack of competition. With less competitive products, there is less incentive for programs like Final Cut Pro/Express to innovate.
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True to a certain extent.
Apple wants to keep making killer products, not only to keep Mac users from leaving, but to get new users from the PC world.
Have PC users come to Apple, because their programs are too good to ignore. :)
 
In my opinion FCP was considered interested in version 1, a good solution in version 2, serious by version 3 and a major switching force by version 4.

One of the beautiful things about FCP is that it is Mac only. And not simply because it's a reason to buy a mac, and we know apple really needed those in the later part of the G4 era, but with FCP designed almost only for G4 machines, Apple has done an amazing job of accelerating the app for altivec and PPC in general. If FCP was cross platform I can't imagine something like Real Time Extreme in FCP4.

Look at After Effects and Premiere, last time I used both they rendered every frame, as if they had very little faith in your machine's ability to play back native, unaltered video. The iMovie/FCP progressive rendering system is far more intelligent and saves an aweful lot of time. One thing I wish FCP had (ok 2) a suepr fast editing mode like iMovie (shift click editing, it's like text, how efficient) and auto scene breaks (I often find myself importing with iMovie due to the work involved in breaking scenes and the troubble getting it to import exactly where I want it with short clips). If anyone has used FCP4 and noticed an improved import system, let me know, I'm quite interested.
 
Re: Re: Mixed bag...

Originally posted by rDLr
There is still the competition of Avid.

The low end Avid products compete with Final Cut Pro.

Which leads me to another point. Is Avid going to drop their Mac versions just because Apple has made a good product? No, because Avid's programs are high quality too. It makes me laugh that Adobe is blaming Apple for their product failing on the Mac.

Premiere died on the Mac long before FCP came out.
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AVID stopped developing it's products for the Mac in the '90's when the 8500 or 9500 or the 1st pro Mac came out with only 3 expansion boards. AVID needs 5 slots. They come up with an expansion chassis but pre-OSX there were always a lot of things in Apple's architecture that required major workarounds. The AVID base of Mac user's threw tantrums so AVID turned around to continue to support Mac except for the Symphony. Earlier this year AVID released Symphony for Mac. That's not going to happen with Premiere.
 
Premiere

Now I am not saying the new version won't be sweet, maybe it will be but when I used Primiere on Windows I thought it was too hard to use and buggy. I ended up use Vegas Video for all my video projects. My first thought when I was on the Windows platform was Adobe Product = Good, man I was wrong. Vegas video felt and works a lot like Final Cut Express to me except the work flow in FCE is much better.

Now since I have switched and started using Final Cut Express for all my DV projects I can't see why somebody on the Mac platform would even care if Adobe Premiere was gone. I Haven't used FCP because FCE meets my needs at this time but I am sure if it like FCE it puts Premiere to shame.

I know this will get a lot of bad press-->I mean its on slash dot :p but it's not that big a deal to me? Now when they say "Adobe After Effects for mac Terminated" ... that would be bad news..
 
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