You know what's happening? Flash simply offloads CONTAINERIZED video to eligible GPUs, nothing else - in other words, this is not a Flash improvement, it's just moving the natural burden of an AVI or MP4 video somewhere else. But try it on Jim Carrey's site and you will see that Shockwave animations continue to consume 150% of the CPU...at least on mine and a "few" others', that is.
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Adobe Releases Flash Player 10.2 With 'Stage Video' Hardware Acceleration
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You know what's happening? Flash simply offloads CONTAINERIZED video to eligible GPUs, nothing else - in other words, this is not a Flash improvement, it's just moving the natural burden of an AVI or MP4 video somewhere else. But try it on Jim Carrey's site and you will see that Shockwave animations continue to consume 150% of the CPU...at least on mine and a "few" others', that is.
Nope. Not sure if this is Apple's fault or Adobe, but the acceleration API needed for flash acceleration is only compatible with a handful of Nvidia chips.
Adobe still calls it a universal binary despite dropping PowerPC support...
Anyway, it still doesn't perform as well as HTML5 video and likely never will. Anything other than video sees no noticeable improvement.
Also those implying that Apple is at fault here for not giving Adobe access to API's then riddle me this: why did both Windows and OS X get hardware acceleration in 10.1, and why are they both getting this stage video acceleration in 10.2 at the same time?
You people really need to open your eyes from this Adobe propaganda.
Anyway, it still doesn't perform as well as HTML5 video and likely never will. Anything other than video sees no noticeable improvement.
Also those implying that Apple is at fault here for not giving Adobe access to API's then riddle me this: why did both Windows and OS X get hardware acceleration in 10.1, and why are they both getting this stage video acceleration in 10.2 at the same time?
You people really need to open your eyes from this Adobe propaganda.
Flash 10.2 is not a improvement if you are under the GPU requirements to enable video hardware accel.
My older PC is a P4 2.8ghz northwood. 2gb ram, with a 6800 GT AGP video card. Nvidia does not support this feature for anything under a Geforce 8100/m.
It still uses around the same amount of CPU % on youtube 25%-45% (sometimes more) with low end 480.
every version of flash that adobe releases gets slower and slower. they keep adding features and not trying to optimize the code. They would not have to rely on the GPU if they would only optimize their damn buggy ass bloated code.
Yeah with this feature enabled you see less CPU usage but it is now choking your GPU, you need to find out how much GPU % flash is using, i bet if you take that into account that its using around the same (and possibly even more) power then before.
Yeah you gain smooth playback (that is if your GPU is supported) but at what cost ?
See above ?
My older PC is a P4 2.8ghz northwood. 2gb ram, with a 6800 GT AGP video card. Nvidia does not support this feature for anything under a Geforce 8100/m.
It still uses around the same amount of CPU % on youtube 25%-45% (sometimes more) with low end 480.
every version of flash that adobe releases gets slower and slower. they keep adding features and not trying to optimize the code. They would not have to rely on the GPU if they would only optimize their damn buggy ass bloated code.
Yeah with this feature enabled you see less CPU usage but it is now choking your GPU, you need to find out how much GPU % flash is using, i bet if you take that into account that its using around the same (and possibly even more) power then before.
Yeah you gain smooth playback (that is if your GPU is supported) but at what cost ?
See above ?
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eh just the last futile burst of energy from a dying dog.
yeah makes you wonder how they survived as long as they did with performance like that.
Not everyone is some crazed apple fanboy. I work with both PCs and Macs. I also don't think everything that Apple does is stellar and I have several gripes about their hardware. You don't know me, so don't go making erroneous blanket statements about me. If you feel that I am misinformed about specific item then state your case and provide evidence. I am more than willing to listen and if you have a valid argument I am also willing to change my opinion.
Because Flash video is, at least for me, virtually irrelevant nowadays. Most Youtube stuff is already available on HTML5, as well as video clips on many modern sites.
So for EVERYTHING else that Flash represents (Shockwave crap, animated sites, ads, stupid games etc.), this update brings ZERO improvements (not that I was expecting any, bien sûr)...
p.s.: And of course, EVEN video is not improved on my machine because the same stupid limitations (9400M et al) remain despite misleading propaganda by Adobe.
I can't believe people are still fighting for this OLD technology. Even this Flash 10.2 is still burning my MacBook CPU.
Flash must DIE seriously!
I still can not switch my webcam settings like from built in i-Sight to Camtwist or Manycams with this update flash on such sites as Stickam.com. I wonder what the problem is with Adobe breaking that function that was working fine. 
Does not work in Safari ?
Updated Safari to the latest version but the sataging feature doesn't appear to work - go here to see it in action:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/live-player/
Works in Firefox but asks to download the beta in Safari.
Updated Safari to the latest version but the sataging feature doesn't appear to work - go here to see it in action:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/live-player/
Works in Firefox but asks to download the beta in Safari.
This is painful. This has been the case for years now and nobody is doing anything about it. What about all the ATI GPUs that have been shipped with recent iMacs? GPU decoding works under Windows and Linux so it seems to be Apple who are to blame..Judging by my limited insight into the underlying technology.
How to use Stage video?
I was tying to understand how to use the Stage Video feature and was reading about it http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/stage_video.html.
Can someone explain how to use it form a webmasters point of view. I assume we don't have to re-encode the video files but what if I'm using something like flowplayer or JW player on my website, I assume that it will need to support this feature.
I assume YOutube and Vimeo will support this soon.
Richard
I was tying to understand how to use the Stage Video feature and was reading about it http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/stage_video.html.
Can someone explain how to use it form a webmasters point of view. I assume we don't have to re-encode the video files but what if I'm using something like flowplayer or JW player on my website, I assume that it will need to support this feature.
I assume YOutube and Vimeo will support this soon.
Richard
To quote (loosely) Steve Jobs, "When Adobe comes to us, and shows us that [flash] works, and it's fast, we'll talk", they getting there steve-o, but web developers, who work for marketing departments (often) who need to reach everyone to make money, are already leaving it behind.
Millions of iOS devices is a good reason to move to HTML5 or other standards instead of flash. It's significant, as visible by the fact that more and more advertisements and websites that previously didn't work are working now. Adobe is gonna have to KEEP doing this, and quickly if they are going to save their market share. It'll take alot to kill flash, just like Mac OS isn't dead despite it being thrust from the top all those years ago (thought that was a few better decisions in marketing and choosing to license the product, not in the quality of the product. In fact, it is just these decisions that have both hurt MAc OS's market share AND secured it's performance and product quality). But, we could be saying the same about it. Windows has such a massive part of the market share, and linux is growing as the distributions improve and become as user friendly as windows (Have you seen Ubuntu 10?), but Mac OS isn't going anywhere unless Apple kills it, the other portion of the market can't smother it. It has it's uses.
The difference though, is that Adobe's product ISN'T the superior perorming product, OR the cheaper product, OR the more readily available / easy to 'license' product. It's just the incumbent, BUT, if it evolves into a more HTML-5 like standard, even if it's slightly worse, it's existing momentum could save it.
Millions of iOS devices is a good reason to move to HTML5 or other standards instead of flash. It's significant, as visible by the fact that more and more advertisements and websites that previously didn't work are working now. Adobe is gonna have to KEEP doing this, and quickly if they are going to save their market share. It'll take alot to kill flash, just like Mac OS isn't dead despite it being thrust from the top all those years ago (thought that was a few better decisions in marketing and choosing to license the product, not in the quality of the product. In fact, it is just these decisions that have both hurt MAc OS's market share AND secured it's performance and product quality). But, we could be saying the same about it. Windows has such a massive part of the market share, and linux is growing as the distributions improve and become as user friendly as windows (Have you seen Ubuntu 10?), but Mac OS isn't going anywhere unless Apple kills it, the other portion of the market can't smother it. It has it's uses.
The difference though, is that Adobe's product ISN'T the superior perorming product, OR the cheaper product, OR the more readily available / easy to 'license' product. It's just the incumbent, BUT, if it evolves into a more HTML-5 like standard, even if it's slightly worse, it's existing momentum could save it.
Whip out your credit card....
Apple would prefer that you buy a new Apple with a supported GPU.
Apple's failure to provide support for recent systems is just a nudge to get you to toss your current Apple into the toxic waste bin and buy a new Apple.
So much for being "green" - unless "green" means "greenbacks".
Apple would prefer that you buy a new Apple with a supported GPU.
Apple's failure to provide support for recent systems is just a nudge to get you to toss your current Apple into the toxic waste bin and buy a new Apple.
So much for being "green" - unless "green" means "greenbacks".
Try the test:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/live-player/
It can be a bit glitchy at times, but the performance is much, much better. A step in the right direction, we'll just have to see if it's enough to keep people interested in using Flash for video.
CPU usage from a regular YouTube video went from 50% down to under 30%
Flash websites still have high CPU usage. Anybody have a solution for that?
Using Google Chrome.
Flash websites still have high CPU usage. Anybody have a solution for that?
Using Google Chrome.
Same here. The mythical 10.2, which was supposed to be so much more efficient, is still a CPU hog with not much noticeable difference.
I used the Flash uninstaller, restarted and repaired permissions, then installed Flash 10.2, restarted and repaired permissions.
I have a 2009 MacBook 2.13 MHz with 4GB of Crucial RAM. My MacBook's fans still spin like crazy after watching YouTube videos for a short while.
Damn you, Adobe! I can't wait to see the death of Flash. Adobe acquired Macromedia in December 2005. Adobe has had over FIVE YEARS to fix Flash on the Mac, but they have not made one damn significant improvement. Theoretical improvements, which look good on paper, do not count. Real-world clearly and easily noticeable results are what matter.
Adobe will never fix Flash. They will just drag this out with hollow promises -- like they've done for the last five years -- until another format finally gains critical mass.
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I don't think YouTube has been updated properly yet. You have to just run the lab tests for now.
My CPU usage has gone down from about 60% to 15% on a 13" MacBook Pro.
My CPU usage has gone down from about 60% to 15% on a 13" MacBook Pro.
This isn't correct. ALL currently shipping iMacs contain an unsupported ATI GPU. Only a handful of Nvidia GPU's support any flash acceleration on Macs.
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Seems to run 1080p stage video demo on my 1.4 MacBook Air at 20% CPU and is silky smooth.
This was in GoogleChrome.
This was in GoogleChrome.
I plan on getting a different tablet. For those who are so brain washed by your holiness Mr Jobs and believe everything apple, knock yourself out and play follow your leader. I plan on buying something I have choices to make. Not a company who makes this decision for me. HP tablet looks pretty dam sweet but until the rest are out and all specs are released, I will choose something that suits my needs, not what apple thinks I need.