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Adobe Shipping Photoshop Elements 6 for Mac
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is elements 6 really the same
I'm a long time elements user with over 11K files stored in the db. I used to run it on a PC. The database is an embedded copy of Microsoft Access. It is my understanding, and I'm hopeful I'm incorrect, that the new Elements 6 for the Mac does not include the organization component for the obvious reason that MS Access does not run on a Mac.
I've just gone through the painful and time-consuming attempt to move from PC Elements to Mac Lightroom. It was a mess and I finally gave up and purchased VMWare Fusion so I could continue to run my Elements 3.x copy with the stupid embedded MS Access db.
I sure hope Elements 6 fixes this but I am not hopeful. I see nothing on Adobe's site to suggest they have included the organizer component.
Before you ask, I did not consider moving to IPhoto because I would lose all my tagging, caption, and date work. And yes, the reason for Elements is simply cost; the $100 product does everything I need to do to work with images.
I'm a long time elements user with over 11K files stored in the db. I used to run it on a PC. The database is an embedded copy of Microsoft Access. It is my understanding, and I'm hopeful I'm incorrect, that the new Elements 6 for the Mac does not include the organization component for the obvious reason that MS Access does not run on a Mac.
I've just gone through the painful and time-consuming attempt to move from PC Elements to Mac Lightroom. It was a mess and I finally gave up and purchased VMWare Fusion so I could continue to run my Elements 3.x copy with the stupid embedded MS Access db.
I sure hope Elements 6 fixes this but I am not hopeful. I see nothing on Adobe's site to suggest they have included the organizer component.
Before you ask, I did not consider moving to IPhoto because I would lose all my tagging, caption, and date work. And yes, the reason for Elements is simply cost; the $100 product does everything I need to do to work with images.
Agree with you too-I've had the previous version of iPhoto and updated to the iLife '08 suite. I LOVE how iPhoto '08 catalogues my huge library of photo's. This is what I basically use iPhoto for. Well, I also use to manage my iWeb sites as well as managing and uploading to my .mac Web Gallery and some mild editing. Now with PSE6 (which is iPhoto-compatible)-I'll do all my editing on it and continue using iPhoto for managing and cataloguing my photos.
Yes. It contains most of the Photoshop features that are likely to be useful for a home user, and costs a lot less than the CS version.
I've been using Photoshop Elements since I got my scanner, several years ago (it came with version 2. I upgraded to 3.) I'll probably upgrade to 6, since it is the first version that is supported on Leopard (although version 3 seems to work OK for me right now.)
I think I'll wait a few months and make sure Adobe's installer doesn't do something horrible, like reset permissions on the entire Applications or Library folder.
Becuase "this" has almost everything you need at something like 1/8th the price.
If all you need are crop and red-eye then iPhoto will do that. PSE has the concept of layers and selections and filters that are reversable. And yes you can do basic drawing with PSE. it is mostly pixel based with only limited ability for vector drawing but it does have palets and brushes
Can we now run PSE in a non-administrative account without jumping through hoops first? I purchased PSE 3 and I had to do a bunch of things to get it to run in my account.
The Mac version is actually an upgraded version. PSE 6 for Mac includes Adobe Bridge, the same Bridge application used in CS3.
Simplifying it's description, Bridge is a professional file organizer.
Use Leopard Preview apps for all your rotation, color adjustment, cropping and resizing needs. It's all in the tools menu and pretty darn useful. Now I don't need to run Photoshop every time I want to do some basic resizing. It's also great to remove pages from a PDF. I often scan big piles of paper as PDF, then just open the whole thing in preview, select the thumbnails that are blank, erase them, save, done!
Photoshop has gotten a little bloated as of CS3 in my opinion. Maybe I'm too used to the old way. Anyway, the Gimp doesn't cut it for me at all so I might try out Elements.
Sorry RedTomato, but your avatar and name couldn't help reminding me of the latest episode of "You Suck At Photoshop". Coincidence I think.
Sorry this was kind of off-topic...so to add to the conversation, I'm glad that PSE has been updated.
I just bought a canon scanner the other day, and it came with PSE for windows, and some god-awful mac photo editing software that I deleted after the first time I opened it. Now they can include PSE for Mac as well
Avoid avoid avoid
If the Mac version is anything like the Windows one, avoid this software like the plague. Go to the Adobe forums and see how many posts there are about bugs with the Windows software, none of which has been fixed. Adobe's customer support of its consumer products is abysmal. When Adobe has bothered to finally acknowledge a bug, its proposed "solution" is often to tell people to disable the buggy feature. See, if you don't try to use the feature, you won't get those pesky error messages! Brilliant customer service.
If the Mac version is anything like the Windows one, avoid this software like the plague. Go to the Adobe forums and see how many posts there are about bugs with the Windows software, none of which has been fixed. Adobe's customer support of its consumer products is abysmal. When Adobe has bothered to finally acknowledge a bug, its proposed "solution" is often to tell people to disable the buggy feature. See, if you don't try to use the feature, you won't get those pesky error messages! Brilliant customer service.
Compare that to Photoshop CS3: In the US, $649. In the UK it is the equivalent of $970, again before adding on the UKs 17.5% sales tax which makes the grand total an equivalent of $1140
And no, they won't let you buy it from the US store.
That's when you need family in America.
Still laughing!!! That really was too funny - great that you posted it even if it was slightly (and only slightly) OT.
If PS CS3 appears bloated you can now costomize it. You can remmove features you do't use from the menu and reassign keyboard shortcuts. The way the Mac's virual memory system works the bits of code in a program you don't use remain on the disk
Eventually Adobe will have ther 30 day free tial download for PSE on their web site. You should be able to try it from free.
I've used Gimp a lot in the past. My problem with it is lack of color managment and lack of supoort of 16-bit per channel color
PSE should have 75% of what PS CS3 has but at 1/8th the price.
Well I don't know about PS Elements, but PS has always been fantastic for creating web graphics, sans flash of course. You can create gif animations, sliced images with rollovers, etc. Plus smart objects drop right into Dreamweaver now, etc.
If you're a freakin' cartoonist or something you'll probably use Illustrator or Flash, but the web is pixel based images. Exactly what PS is for.
No Adobe for me, either
Universal Binary! That's quite an accomplishment.
I wonder if this app works just as well as my copy of Fireworks. That one stopped working last week because the license suddenly became invalid. Mind you, I purchased the app and have never, ever given the serial away. (I don't think that's even possible with product activation)
So thanks Adobe for pissing off a paying customer.
I have found that Pixelmator works every bit as good (if not better) (I am not affiliated). And it uses Core Image for the effects! And the UI is stunning!
Universal Binary! That's quite an accomplishment.
I wonder if this app works just as well as my copy of Fireworks. That one stopped working last week because the license suddenly became invalid. Mind you, I purchased the app and have never, ever given the serial away. (I don't think that's even possible with product activation)
So thanks Adobe for pissing off a paying customer.
I have found that Pixelmator works every bit as good (if not better) (I am not affiliated). And it uses Core Image for the effects! And the UI is stunning!
elements, bridge, lightroom... what is what? I have no time to study and learn their marketing tricks. Most professionals use Lightroom, I try everything but always go back to IPhoto, which with time has become (for me) the most usable software o its kind.
You heard wrong tbh, Photoshop has moved giant strides since its early days to be perfect for drawing/painting in, it's adopted a lot of Painter's brush-emulation type stuff (starting at Photoshop 7), and it recently incorporated a lot of Illustrator's vertex/vexel line tools, and integrates what used to be Adobe Imageready for animations and pixel graphics.
Photoshop CS is a complete powerhouse and I know more digital illustrators who use it (with a wacom tablet) than painter or any other software.. Photoshop Elements is also pretty decent for illustration/painting etc.. I'm pretty sure if you polled the industry, more GC artists/illustrators would use Photoshop CS than any other app..
Depends what he wants from his "drawing application" - but PS CS is by far the best all-round performer, which it's price reflects. Elements does a lot of what CS does though from an illustration/painting point of view, but the lack of layer effects is a big disadvantage. :/
For "drawing" some people should check out: Sketchbook Pro (universal binary version launches in a few days) or Artrage..
Bridge is a file browser.. IFAIK it comes with most/all adobe stuff and helps send files between the various Adobe apps.
Elements is Photoshop minus most power features, like batch commands, complex editing stuff, animation, layer effects, adjustment layers..
Lightroom is closer to iPhoto, managing a library for you, and offering you easy ways to edit and manipulate stuff on a normal/basic/photographer level.
I'd hardly call them marketting tricks, they're very different products with totally different toolsets for different markets.
You'd probably want PS or PSe still if you wanted to do anything more complex than a crop or colour adjustment.. For example, if you want to edit out a person, or blemishes, or move something from one part of a photo to another.. Also, you can't really combine painting and photography in Lightroom or iPhoto, or do anything particularly artsy other than just mess with settings.. Photoshop means you can make collages, composites etc..
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Pre-ordered, expecting to be able to download today.. Called Adobe and they said that it would not release until the end of the month. I asked about the press release and the person knew nothing.
Pre-ordered, expecting to be able to download today.
. Called Adobe and they said that it would not release until the end of the month. I asked about the press release and the person knew nothing.
LMAO! Are you smokin' crack??? Let me guess - you are probably too lazy to check the specifications requirement from adobe.com website for PSE6.........
Here's a useful tip for you: Press CMD + L and type "adobe.com" and then CMD + Q and hit enter.