Adobe Suggests Disabled Hardware Acceleration for Flash Player in OS X Lion

[longofest]

Oh wow, I never took into account how that scrolling input would be taken in something like Java, Flash, or Silverlight.

It's more of a general comment that the feature is horrible, and I think 99% of users are looking for the preference to turn the bloody thing off. But Java, Flash, Silverlight, etc, all allow for scrollable windows within their environment. I don't imagine the end result is any different than any other part of the OS, but Adobe is just trying to point out that this behavior is actually NOT their fault, but rather a system-wide thing.

 

[tkatz]

The Adobe bashers just assume there is a way for Flash to access hardware acceleration on Lion, but what if this is not the case anymore? It's easy to assume that Adobe is too lazy to fix this newly introduced problem, but what if it can't be fixed because of certain changes made by Apple? Wouldn't surprise me if Apple did this on purpose, either.

One thing is certain, though. Adobe is terrible at communication. You can blame them for not bringing out this information before release date. I also blame them for not providing more insight into the situation. The current info is utterly useless.

Right now everyone's making assumptions. The developer previews have been out for quite some time and by now Adobe shouldn't be "suspecting" what the problem is, but they should have contacted Apple and figure out the problem.

There were some people in the dev forums having acceleration problems in general so who knows, it could just be a bug that hasn't been fixed yet.

 

[podsorcerer09]

Probably Silverlight is broke as well - Netflix suddenly became too choppy and CPU usage was through the roof watching SD content. Works well under SL.

The only issue that I've heard with problems with netflix on lion is having to uninstall and reinstall silverlight. I'm sure that it's a little choppy but it is 1 day after release and I doubt microsoft checked to see if silverlight would work either. Adobe and Microsoft have little commitment to making their software work on apple's hardware after all the back and forth and hard feelings. I personally don't like using flash and won't be installing but using the chrome copy instead. I hope that it still works in boxee/plex/xbmc

 

[gnasher729]

The new sandboxing model requires applications (and probably plugins) to declare the resources they need, before they use it (so, for example, if you need to access the file system, just calling the APIs to access the file system isn't enough. You need to also request the permission to do this. This is new in Lion).

However, applications don't have to use sandboxing. Starting in November or so, sandboxing will be required for all new applications and application updates in the Mac App Store (no sandbox = no new application. No sandbox = no application update), and Apple will check that the application makes only reasonable demands on the sandbox (if you request that your sandbox is allowed to mail my credit card info to your email address, it will be hard to convince Apple's reviewers that you really need that information).

Applications outside the app store _should_ use sandboxing because it makes them safer.

 

[longofest]

It's actually not that bad, especially if you use a track pad or magic mouse.

That's a fair comment. I'm using it with a traditional scroll-mouse, and find it incredibly unintuitive, and immediately went to turn it off. But for trackpads and maybe Magic Mouse, I suppose it wouldn't be so bad. I'll have to try it out...

 

[4God]

How long did Adobe have to test their software on Lion? Adobe is full of crap. Adobe get your act together or watch people stop using flash. Google labs is making a flash to HTML5 converter, YouTube supports HTML5, if Adobe keeps spewing crap like this, they will be forgotten.

Flash slows down my PC laptop as well....

I'm sorry, but this is just sad. Adobe is not some small no name developer. Apple has put out pre-release development builds of Lion for a while before its release. Adobe had plenty of time to put out a Lion compatible update. These comments make it sound like Adobe is just thinking about the implications of Lion now, after it's official release. They seriously dropped the ball here...

Flash is a "bag of hurt."

 

[*LTD*]

Worst. Feature. Ever.

Perfect for the massive iOS crowd who are new to Macs (Apple wants this crowd to use Macs - smart move.) That's the point. To mimic touchscreen scrolling. Makes perfect sense, by the way, on a trackpad. Especially the Magic Trackpad.

 

[HyperZboy]

Oh well kids, going to have to find another way to play Farm-ville

If only there was some kind of an application store

Thank You for stating something few people ever notice.

The most common reason that SAFARI crashes is Facebook and its extensive usage of Adobe Flash.

And this isn't just for Lion either, also Leopard and Snow Leopard as well.

It's so bad that Apple created a special crash message for SAFARI in the latest versions that specifically blames FLASH when Facebook crashes. Sometimes, when I leave my computer alone for awhile with Facebook up and come back later, I'll see the message that FLASH crashed SAFARI and I wasn't even doing anything! LOL

I don't see Facebook changing anytime soon just for Mac users, so I really wish Apple and Adobe would settle this feud ASAP.

 

[FasterQuieter]

I don't think most of us here can possibly know if the full blame lies with Apple or Adobe. What is true though is that the above statement from Adobe reads like they only saw Lion for the first time yesterday. It makes them look very unprofessional.

 

[diddl14]

I have to agree with reverse scrolling. That was turned off right away. Was driving me crazy.

Same feeling here, also drove me crazy.

Decided however to see how long it would take to get used to and was amazed that it took less than two days for the "reverse" scrolling to become "natural" again. Now the reverse thing on SL drives me crazy

 

[daniel335e]

The sooner Flash is gone, the better.

 

[aeaglex07]

Same feeling here, also drove me crazy.

Decided however to see how long it would take to get used to and was amazed that it took less than two days for the "reverse" scrolling to become "natural" again. Now the reverse thing on SL drives me crazy

I really like it too.

 

[parapup]

I doubt microsoft checked to see if silverlight would work either. Adobe and Microsoft have little commitment to making their software work on apple's hardware after all the back and forth and hard feelings.

Users don't have to care about that crap - As much as it is Adobe and Microsoft's responsibility to verify their software works - it is also Apple's to not break stuff left and right in a $29 Lipstick update.

Heck Apple can't even get their stuff working properly and people are calling Adobe lazy etc. Just had keyboard become unresponsive - timesucking machine is all over the place and <drumroll> Time Machine Error! (null).

 

[AidenShaw]

Adobe had plenty of time to put out a Lion compatible update.

So really adobe are saying 'we couldn't be bothered to update our software' despite having months worth of opportunities to do so

The samething happend to Windows Vista because developers waited until the code had gone golden. And it was too late then. Thats mostly the reason Vista was bad.

OS X isn't done until Adobe won't run.

Is Apple copying the playbook of Microsoft circa mid 80's?

So, Adobe, one of the biggest software houses in the world couldn't be bothered to release a flash player update for Lion despite having months a pre-releases

Why does this sound exactly like Itunes won't run on Vista or Apple releases Vista support (x86-only) two months after Vista public release?

It amazes me how quickly people jump to defend Adobe. Don't get me wrong, Apple is not perfect either, but Adobe has had months to fix these issues. And a company as big as Adobe surely could have spared the resources to do so.

Apple should have fixed the issues before release, rather than breaking APIs left and right and leaving the software houses scrambling to clean up the damage.

It's one thing to need an update to exploit a new feature like Resume, but another to break existing features.

 

[andy845]

Scrolling

The reverse "natural as apple calls it" scrolling works beautifully and is totally intuitive if you use a trackpad or the magic trackpad. As others have said this is the same behaviour as ios devices and it feels very natural to 'push' content around when using a gesture to do so. I love it.

However the default behaviour fails miserably with a traditional mouse and is the exact opposite of natural, it should automatically switch depending on whether you are using a pad/magic mouse or traditional scroll mouse.

 

[AppleDroid]

I think this is the key comment here. We simply don't have all the facts so it's time to ratchet down the condemnation. Let's wait and see what caused this before we start name-calling companies.

Exactly. If it's Adobe dragging their feet with development updates to fit Apple's new API: Blame Adobe

If Apple somehow changed their API to disallow Flash from accessing hardware acceleration: Blame Apple.

Until we have more facts there is nowhere to place the blame. Well except on those who upgraded before the wave issues cropped up. (Sarcasm before I get downranked into oblivion)

 

[Razeus]

wow, these Adobe guys are Lazy. I may stop using Adobe products all together and switch my Lightroom/Photoshop combo all together.

 

[FroMann]

I don't have Flash on my Mac, but I still use the built in version on Google Chrome. I always found hardware acceleration itself to be glitchy and always had it turned off.

 

[GenesisST]

It's actually not that bad, especially if you use a track pad or magic mouse.

I've actually gotten used to it, and have to correct myself when booting to Windows for games.

Lucky you. I just couldn't... I had to convince myself that the "enemy's door was down" to be able to do anything, until I went to find the setting.

But choice is good. I work with Windows and Snow Leopard at work and have Lion and Snow Leopard (Core Duo) at home. I need consistency, otherwise I will loose whatever hair I have left...

 

[aeaglex07]

wow, these Adobe guys are Lazy. I may stop using Adobe products all together and switch my Lightroom/Photoshop combo all together.

unfortunately there is no real alternative to the CS suites. I agree Adobe is lazy but they corner the creative market, and they know it.

 

[hexor]

Library folder?

Why in the world would they require users to access the "Library" folder??? For setting preferences? Do they even know how to write Mac OS X software? There really is no reason for the average user to access the Library folder. That is why it was hidden on 10.7 to prevent confusion.

 

[Westyfield2]

Plex/XBMC hardware acceleration is still working in Lion isn't it? Wonder why flash isn't then...

 

[friimaind]

Who cares about Flash Player on Youtube?
Enable HTML5 on Yotube and all the problems disappear...

 

[buckyballs]

Apple does not need to disable the framework.

The new sandboxing model requires applications (and probably plugins) to declare the resources they need, before they use it (so, for example, if you need to access the file system, just calling the APIs to access the file system isn't enough. You need to also request the permission to do this. This is new in Lion).

Actually, the sandbox model is opt-in. Otherwise EVERY application would need to be updated to run on Lion. If you sell in the App Store, however, and fail to opt-in, Apple will pull your app in November.

 

[BornAgainMac]

I actually like reading Apple / Flash posts. Good debate. I don't like Flash but I think it's purpose in life was to get people thru the IE 6 years and differences in HTML among browsers and limitations. In that respect, I am thankful that Flash was developed. Hopefully, this problem with Flash will be fixed in a later version soon until it can be replaced forever with open standards.