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Adobe Suggests Disabled Hardware Acceleration for Flash Player in OS X Lion
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Great recommendation, I'll check it out. I've been using the clicktoflash safari extension, which has an HTML5 youtube player built-in, but this seems cool.
just after an install of Lion last eve on my MBA, I saw an 86% cpu hog of flash via safari.
not surprised,
not surprised,
There. That's the whole point - a insignificant OS upgrade must not break anything in first place - not software like Flash or CS or Office that is used widely and could cause people discomfort if broken. Microsoft gets it for the most part. Apple seems to not care much.
flash is dying?
omg!!! run and tell this companies your discovery! because nike, adidas, bmw, mercedez benz, hbo, nissan, acura and many others... all those companies are WRONG!
http://www.adidas.com/campaigns/the...erType=discreet&strCountry_adidascom=la#/home
http://www.nike.com/jumpman23/BCT/
http://www.nissan.ru/#vehicles/4x4/patrol/experience/
and please... show me how google can convert this flash game into html5...
http://www.lucasarts.com/games/legostarwarsiii/index.jsp
..yes... lego and lucas arts are all wrong... they shouldn't spend all that money in that game... why for? flash is dying.
Flash player has always been a pain for me on OS X. It always lags and stutters when trying to play a video when I have a 3D application running at the same time. I've been hoping for a newer technology to replace it for a long time.
They are obviously not Apple so their opinion does not matter.
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What the heck am I reading? Oh newsmap you're so silly.
Yes, they are indeed small.
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Hey, be fair, maybe no-one told them about Lion until this week!
LOL these response from a "major" software company is rather strange.
First no one told them about the carbon > Cocoa transition.
Then no one told them about hardware acceleration on OSX, and OpenCL
Now no one told them about Lion...
Nonsense
Bull!!!!! While Apple or any other OS company should not make arbitrary decisions that influence functionality, backwards compatibility cannot block improvement. I'm not necessarily saying that I think the changes Apple has made are improvements, time will tell, but the developer previews have allowed Adobe and anyone who was paying attention plenty of opportunity to get an update out there. Why is it always Adobe bringing up the rear on these things? They make MS look downright good. You want backwards compatibility, go use Vista (one of the big selling points as I recall), see how well that turned out... Mind you, I hear MS is changing everything with Widows 8.....
Your point about Java not being included is one worth discussion though, not sure I see the reasoning behind that.... Some strange licensing issue maybe????
Bull!!!!! While Apple or any other OS company should not make arbitrary decisions that influence functionality, backwards compatibility cannot block improvement. I'm not necessarily saying that I think the changes Apple has made are improvements, time will tell, but the developer previews have allowed Adobe and anyone who was paying attention plenty of opportunity to get an update out there. Why is it always Adobe bringing up the rear on these things? They make MS look downright good. You want backwards compatibility, go use Vista (one of the big selling points as I recall), see how well that turned out... Mind you, I hear MS is changing everything with Widows 8.....
Your point about Java not being included is one worth discussion though, not sure I see the reasoning behind that.... Some strange licensing issue maybe????
Do people still use those little mouses with the scroll wheels? Wow. I use a Magic Mouse and there is no way I'm going back to a scroll wheel. As soon as I started using the Magic Mouse I stopped having pain in my wrist in fingers from using the mouse all day and I can control things better using multitouch gestures.
And with Lion, the scrolling behavior on the Magic Mouse and trackpads is completely natural. The reverse scrolling on Windows and Snow Leopard feels unnatural to me now.
In Windows and Snow Leopard, you're controlling the scrollbar on the page. In Lion, you are controlling the actual content. It feels more direct and more natural that way. It may take a day or two to get used to it, but after that the old "reverse scrolling" of content doesn't feel right anymore.
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wait, so I finally get 64-bit iTunes, but now Flash wont work well, great :/
At least I have not upgraded yet, i'ma let them work out the bugs
At least I have not upgraded yet, i'ma let them work out the bugs
Yeah, it's so strange that a vendor releases a Tech Note the day after the NDA is lifted. No really, they should have posted that yesterday! The madness!
You guys realise Adobe couldn't release any Lion information prior to the NDA being lifted right ? Right ?
Yet they managed to one-up Apple and ship Cocoa ports of their major apps first.
The hardware acceleration required appeared in 10.6.3 in the form of VDA. I think it took all of a week for Adobe to release a Flash player beta based on it. 1 week is really long ? Seriously, no one told them of HW acceleration on OS X because it wasn't there in a usable form prior to VDA.
Like every other developer, they were under NDA. And seriously, retrofitting apps to support the new features is not going to happen. Moving forward they might.
Also, the bug with Flash might not be an Adobe bug at all. It could be a bug in VDA itself, and Adobe is stuck waiting for Apple to fix it. Right now, maybe all they can do is release a tech note.
Seriously guys, you have 0 information and from the comments in this thread, a lot of you guys have 0 software development experience. So you might want to tone down the Adobe hate a little, or you might have egg on your face if this indeed happens to be an Apple issue.
How funny. I just went to the Nike site on Snow Leopard to take a look at your example and the flash player crashed with an error report. I'm now staring at a blank screen saying "plugin failure".
How typical.
Yeah... 'down' for down and 'up' for up is SO confusing. Unifying across platforms is silly.
I highly doubt that Apple disabled the API at the last moment before releasing the Lion GM. Adobe has had months to test their software with Lion developer releases. They make it sound like they just found out.
General question, has any other software houses been effected by this? In other words, what other software program has been broken by this?
Its very interesting reading the flash and apple debate, but it amazes me, how much some people have said with out checking out simple facts. One such line early on said that Adobe don't care about there products running on apple. Utter trip, most if not every design company i ever know or worked for, runs adobe design suites on the OSX platform, which in turn would lead me to believe that adobe makes a sizeable packet form said platform.
Another stated that all flash is only used for is advertisements these days. wrong again!!! The BBC iPlayer, YOUtube (HTML5 is still in beta and good many videos have not been covered yet), to name but a few, use flash, both as stated are converting to other formats, but as it stands flash is still very much alive if you like it or not.
Personally I am exited about HTLM5, but i would never rule out flash.
Moving on i agree with many people in the fact that i am a little surprised that adobe have so many issues, more surprised that they did not inform people a while back, to me it would of been the perfect excuse to take a snipe at apple, my own thoughts are by doing it today they trying to take an ill advise shot at apple by making people think about delaying upgrading to lion, upon reading this forum, if that is the case, it has some what backfired.
Anyway we do not know the facts but can only speculate, but from my point of view, an avid user of adobe design packages, it is adobe that looks bad today not, not apple. I hope they talk up a bit and give us reasons why there are so many bugs, notifying people the day after release when beta version have been available for so long makes them look all most like a bunch of ammeters . Any hows i sure a lot of people may not agree with this, it is a view to add to the many interesting ones already on this thread.
Another stated that all flash is only used for is advertisements these days. wrong again!!! The BBC iPlayer, YOUtube (HTML5 is still in beta and good many videos have not been covered yet), to name but a few, use flash, both as stated are converting to other formats, but as it stands flash is still very much alive if you like it or not.
Personally I am exited about HTLM5, but i would never rule out flash.
Moving on i agree with many people in the fact that i am a little surprised that adobe have so many issues, more surprised that they did not inform people a while back, to me it would of been the perfect excuse to take a snipe at apple, my own thoughts are by doing it today they trying to take an ill advise shot at apple by making people think about delaying upgrading to lion, upon reading this forum, if that is the case, it has some what backfired.
Anyway we do not know the facts but can only speculate, but from my point of view, an avid user of adobe design packages, it is adobe that looks bad today not, not apple. I hope they talk up a bit and give us reasons why there are so many bugs, notifying people the day after release when beta version have been available for so long makes them look all most like a bunch of ammeters . Any hows i sure a lot of people may not agree with this, it is a view to add to the many interesting ones already on this thread.
Exactly. Everybody knows that an OS upgrade can trigger an incompatibility. These are usually the result of:
1) API Provider specifies a way they think the API should be used
2) Either due to poor documentation, reading between the lines, or purposely stretching or breaking the rules, the application developer writes code that the API provider never expected
3) Also, when releasing a new version, the API provider may provide a new set of rules and notices stating what practices that were previously unapproved or deprecated will no longer work.
4) API Provider gives developer preview versions of new API/OS to application developers
5) Application developer tests application and provides feedback to API Provider, seeks clarifications on API usage, and either modifies application or reports defects to the API provider.
6) Application works on new version of the API/OS.
It seems to me that Adobe's way of operating was:
1) Do nothing
2) Get user feedback that things are broken
3) Put out a statement blaming the API provider and try to paint them as the bad guy
Adobe makes real money for their products including their products around Flash even if Flash Player is free. They are not entitled to an easier software development process than everybody else. They need to actually do the work to ensure compatibility. Pointing fingers and saying "Apple is out to get us" is not going to cut it with their customers. In this case, their true customers are those who develop using Flash and Adobe Air and Flex who want their applications functioning on OS X. You can point your fingers all you like, but when it comes down to it you don't get a free ride -- you are only pushing people further away Adobe.
Agreed
Regardless of the technical details of what has changed, an API provider can only give you developer previews to ensure things work. It is the application developer's job to make sure his stuff works on the new version. This finger pointing and insinuation is ridiculous on Adobe's part. The only way that Adobe could have a leg to stand on is if Flash worked on every DP of Lion and then at the 11th hour, Apple specifically did something to disable Flash. From what I gather, Adobe Flash has been broken on Lion since the first developer preview -- this puts the ball squarely in Adobe's court.
Yeah, it's so strange that a vendor releases a Tech Note the day after the NDA is lifted. No really, they should have posted that yesterday! The madness!
You guys realise Adobe couldn't release any Lion information prior to the NDA being lifted right ? Right ?
Yet they managed to one-up Apple and ship Cocoa ports of their major apps first.
The hardware acceleration required appeared in 10.6.3 in the form of VDA. I think it took all of a week for Adobe to release a Flash player beta based on it. 1 week is really long ? Seriously, no one told them of HW acceleration on OS X because it wasn't there in a usable form prior to VDA.
Like every other developer, they were under NDA. And seriously, retrofitting apps to support the new features is not going to happen. Moving forward they might.
Also, the bug with Flash might not be an Adobe bug at all. It could be a bug in VDA itself, and Adobe is stuck waiting for Apple to fix it. Right now, maybe all they can do is release a tech note.
Seriously guys, you have 0 information and from the comments in this thread, a lot of you guys have 0 software development experience. So you might want to tone down the Adobe hate a little, or you might have egg on your face if this indeed happens to be an Apple issue.
Indeed. We have no idea what is actually going on here (although that backwards scrolling comment was super snarky and should not have made it into their statement, they might as well complain that the last revision of Macbook Airs didn't have a backlit keyboard and that may confuse some people who are used to their keys lighting up).
He said Global. Last I checked, the US is not the whole world, no matter how much you want it to be.
Except if you know, their users gave them feedback on it and it became a FAQ, which then makes total sense to include it in the technote.
How many times do you expect them to answer back : "It's a system wide option, not something in our app" before they get tired of it ?
Again, we don't know why it's there, let's not assume the worse. Why always assume the worse, just because you can then bash Adobe ?
Why didn't they do any updates? Lion has been out since Febuary (for developers) and was announced LAST October. What have they been doing? They knew about Lion and it's features for at least 9 months.