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Move on to Serif’s Affinity applications (desktop and iPad).
There’s a learning curve but you won’t look back.
Generally their photo and drawing apps are $50 each (to own), but they’re frequently on sale for $35.00 each.

Am already at Affinity but where is the DAM part? Am I the only person here hating organizing file based solutions?
 
The comments are going to be filled with a lot of upset users.

Photographer: Doesn't blink at spending $1500-5000 on a new lens, or $3000-5000 on a new camera body, or $300-800 on a new tripod, or $400-900 on a new flash, or $150 a pop on new UHS-II SD cards, or $800-3000 on a Thunderbolt RAID setup and SSDs, or $3000-7000 on a new Mac, or $800-2000 on a second and third display, or thousands of dollars on lighting equipment and backdrops and travel and paying models and grips.

Also photographer: Freaks out at having to pay Adobe a couple hundred bucks a year to edit, organize, share, and store all of their photos.

Y'all suck.

Difference is, I would OWN all those other items and I can sell them to whom ever I please at a later date, and NONE of the photo's I have taken are held hostage by someone else proprietary software.

I do NOT rent software, and I will NOT pay to release my work from a hostage situation.
 
This is not true. The old price of Photoshop CS Standard was $699. Annual upgrades were $199. If you add the purchase price + two upgrades, it would cost $1,097.

It would take over 9 years to break even under the current CC subscription plan, and that doesn't even include Lightroom or storage. When that 9 years ends, you would have to pay another $199 for the next version (almost 2 years under the subscription model).

The bottom line is, subscriptions are not more expensive and are often cheaper than buying outright. It just feels more expensive because you see the charge every month.

Few Photographers NEED Photoshop, Lightroom is fine for most.
 
I currently have this plan. It’s an immediate drop for me if they double up. I like the apps but there are lots of alternatives these days.
 
Pixelmator....it does everything I need for a fixed one time price. They are excellent at maintaining their software and don't gouge you.
 
Few Photographers NEED Photoshop, Lightroom is fine for most.

Lightroom does not handle major cloning. Even medium cloning doesn’t go well in LR. LR does not handle layers, specific color manipulation, other than basic HSL. I do lots of things in Ps that I can’t do in LR.
 
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Every time I think affinity photo isn’t quite perfect yet I remember why I use it in the first place.
 
I object to subscribing to software on principle. I was a sporadic user, not needing the latest and greatest and I held onto CS4 for a long time, and slowly employed alternatives where needed. InDesign would have been the biggest problem, but I had to shut down my publishing business so that decision was made for me. All I have from Adobe now is Adobe Acrobat Pro 2017 Academic, which still can be bought without a subscription. I guess I am not their target audience anyway.
 
A 50% price hike?! How do I sign up?

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The comments are going to be filled with a lot of upset users.

Photographer: Doesn't blink at spending $1500-5000 on a new lens, or $3000-5000 on a new camera body, or $300-800 on a new tripod, or $400-900 on a new flash, or $150 a pop on new UHS-II SD cards, or $800-3000 on a Thunderbolt RAID setup and SSDs, or $3000-7000 on a new Mac, or $800-2000 on a second and third display, or thousands of dollars on lighting equipment and backdrops and travel and paying models and grips.

Also photographer: Freaks out at having to pay Adobe a couple hundred bucks a year to edit, organize, share, and store all of their photos.

Y'all suck.

That's not really the way it goes and you know it.

Photographer: reads review for a fancy new lens. Deliberates about it for 2 years; finally decides to ask the wife. Two more years pass and as he combines 2 birthdays, major anniversary and 2 christmases to finally be allowed to buy said lens. In the meantime, that camera body is getting old. Goes to sell left kidney, but realizes that he lost that back in 2013 when he made the mistake of buying a "Trash Can" Mac Pro.

In the meantime, catches "The Speech" from the wife when she sees YA monthly Adobe subscription fee on the credit card bill and reminds the Photographer that he hasn't touched any of the pics from six months when the family went to Disney .. and that her sister's husband gets just fine results from just the kiosk down at COSTCO.
 
Lightroom does not handle major cloning. Even medium cloning doesn’t go well in LR. LR does not handle layers, specific color manipulation, other than basic HSL. I do lots of things in Ps that I can’t do in LR.

You must be a terrible photographer when you need to do such heavy edits all the time. Guess I'm still to analog in this regard - More then correcting exposure, a little color correction and curves isn't needed by me. What I need heavily is the management of the images.
 
You must be a terrible photographer when you need to do such heavy edits all the time. Guess I'm still to analog in this regard - More then correcting exposure, a little color correction and curves isn't needed by me. What I need heavily is the management of the images.
I am far from a terrible photographer. But I often have a vision for my images that aren’t always possible to create in camera.
 
I am far from a terrible photographer. But I often have a vision for my images that aren’t always possible to create in camera.

Hmm this sound more like art than normal photography to me. Then heavy edits are understandable, but I guess few photographers fall into this area.
 
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The comments are going to be filled with a lot of upset users.

Photographer: Doesn't blink at spending $1500-5000 on a new lens, or $3000-5000 on a new camera body, or $300-800 on a new tripod, or $400-900 on a new flash, or $150 a pop on new UHS-II SD cards, or $800-3000 on a Thunderbolt RAID setup and SSDs, or $3000-7000 on a new Mac, or $800-2000 on a second and third display, or thousands of dollars on lighting equipment and backdrops and travel and paying models and grips.

Also photographer: Freaks out at having to pay Adobe a couple hundred bucks a year to edit, organize, share, and store all of their photos.

Y'all suck.

Yeah sure, for those professionals earning a living from it, the cost of Adobe CC is a drop in the ocean of their costs. But for us hobbyists, who outnumber the pros by a large number, these prices matter. I have $4,000 worth of camera equipment, and make no money from photography, and I wasn't willing to pay the $120/yr. Not because it's only $120, but because if I live another 50 years, its $6,000. And now they want to make it $12,000. That all said, I'm guessing their subscription model must be working out well if they're experimenting with doubling it. For me, I'm sick of paying rent, so have been looking at all my subscriptions, and cutting them to the bone.
 
This does indeed stink for those who were only doing the Photoshop/Lightroom combo but.....

The $59/month fee for the entire suite is cheaper per year than it was buying outright, if I remember correctly the entire suite was around $1500. With the current price scheme it is around $720/year and you get constant updates.

Adobe apps feel slow on MacOS unless you have top tier hardware because everything else is under-spec'd. Although if I had to buy something right now to run Adobe stuff (and was scared of Hackintosh), I would go for the iMac i9 8-core and get an external GPU; next choice would the the 10-core iMacPro.
 
This is not true. The old price of Photoshop CS Standard was $699. Annual upgrades were $199. If you add the purchase price + two upgrades, it would cost $1,097.

It would take over 9 years to break even under the current CC subscription plan, and that doesn't even include Lightroom or storage. When that 9 years ends, you would have to pay another $199 for the next version (almost 2 years under the subscription model).

With your assumptions, that is indeed how the math works out.

But start with a Student version instead and that $699 gets cut in half. Similarly, upgrade every other year and its
$199/2 years. So now we're talking about the same "3 years out" price being ~$500 instead of $1100. At five years out, its $700 and seven years its $900.

In comparison, the $9.99/mo model compares pretty close to these same benchmarks: 3 years is $360 ($140 savings), 5 years is $600 ($100 savings); 7 years is $840 ($60 savings).

The bottom line is, subscriptions are not more expensive and are often cheaper than buying outright. It just feels more expensive because you see the charge every month.

Not quite on either point: second element first, the cost is perceived as less painful when its a "thousand slices" instead of a single big bill. And for the first, the point here is that it isn't $9.99/mo anymore, but now basically double that.

Thus, at this new rate, 3 years is $720 ($200 more expensive), 5 years is $1200 ($500 more), 7 years is $1680 ($780 more) ... and by 9 years, the subscription model is 4% short of literally double the lifecycle cost: $2160 vs $1100.
 
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