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That already happened without Flash on iPhone OS. Flash doesn't make bad apps. People do. And some of them code directly in apple's approved methods.

Just like Flash isn't bad, the developers are. I have been on great flash sites, and terrible ones. When dealing with a framework its usually going to come down to the person developing it. Same goes with Java, .net, etc.
 
Around 75 million people do. The numbers are increasing every quarter. Next-gen iPhone due in June.

Add to that all the iPad sales up until now, which of course will be THE blockbuster device over the next year. Sales of the device will be unprecedented. Bet on it.

Apple devices > Flash-based internet sites.

This is reality.

No...

Reality is that iPhone is a phone - as in mobile smart TELEPHONE and as such is very good product specially when coupled with handful of decent apps...

Reality is also that iPad is, or suppose to be at least, NETBOOK replacement/ killer and is advertised as best device to browse the net on...

Reality is that it can't display half of the net out there...

Reality is also that way more than 75 million people are bit smarter than average Steve fanboi and are holding on to their cash which they will spend on much better (and most probably cheaper too) device!

Reality man!

REALITY :D
 
Oh, I was unaware it was a puzzle, my bad! HAHA!

You are a brilliant one, aren't you?

Let me explain:

On a game controller, A B and C are next to each other.

On a keyboard, they are not... but, coincidentally, Z X and C are.

It isn't a puzzle... it's "duh". Catching on yet? I don't really go for insulting people on here, but you're inviting it by acting like a trolling and not very bright 12-year-old.
 
Are you sure?

Are you really really sure?

Are you super duper sure?

(You might want to check out the iAd demo done entirely in HTML5)

Make me a low-functioning piano that loads quickly in pure HTML5, no other technologies to rely on.
 
Game says "Press A to start" but doesn't work.

If that's your example of THE WONDERS OF HTML 5, ALL I GOTTA SAY IS...

EPIC FAIL! LOL

Not my example, I was just correcting your saying two of the sites don't work. You're right about click A to start the game doesn't work. I didn't look that far, just looked at the launch screen. But that's not the fault of HTML5 itself, just the developer, so not a good example of deriding HTML5 itself. I've seen plenty of Flash that doesn't work either over the years.
 
Not my example, I was just correcting your saying two of the sites don't work. You're right about click A to start the game doesn't work. I didn't look that far, just looked at the launch screen. But that's not the fault of HTML5 itself, just the developer, so not a good example of deriding HTML5 itself. I've seen plenty of Flash that doesn't work either over the years.

All he has to do is click Z, no big deal.:D

I had a nice game of Tetris on the site so thanks for sharing it. :cool:
 
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Apple devices > Flash-based internet sites.

This is reality.

It may be the reality in your little bathtub, but not the reality for the sane users out there.

I have been an avid Apple supporter for years, but this was the last straw.

I will replace my current iPhones with something non-i - most likely an Android.

I will buy an Android tablet, when available from Google or HTC. Android is growing fast, and the availability of hardware accelerated Flash and its open environment will be a huge competitive factor over the iPhone (again, for the sane of us).

I will steer everyone away from i-products, just like I used to steer everyone I knew to Apple products.

BTW, if Adobe stopped developing CS for the Mac, I will load Windows on all my Mac hardware, and not look back. W7 is equally good as OS X, and in some ways better.

Apple has turned into an Evil Force. It is business, but other large companies will remember it, when Apple is vulnerable - and it will be again, some day.

BTW, the insiders sold Apple stock recently. The rally now is most likely driven by the "dumb money."
 
I'm from Chicago. I've spent at least an hour on the Tribune site, including commenting through Topix, every day for the last 12 years (since Harry Caray died) that I wasn't camping or out of the country.

Never had a crash. Same story with the Baltimore Sun site, which is backed by the same Trib Co infrastructure (you can recognize their sites a mile away).

My experience differs from yours with BOTH Tribune websites in Chicago, LA, and even Baltimore and I keep reporting the Javascript crashes to Apple repeatedly and they've never been fixed and I've been posting comments on Tribune sites for almost as long as you, well except for the fact that...

Safari is NOT ANYWHERE NEAR 12 years old! LOL

Your story now seems suspiciously fanboyish. LMAO
 
Just like Flash isn't bad, the developers are. I have been on great flash sites, and terrible ones. When dealing with a framework its usually going to come down to the person developing it. Same goes with Java, .net, etc.

That's an oversimplification. A cross-platform solution can be a negative when it doesn't keep up with developments across platforms, which is inevitably the eventual outcome. Not (necessarily) because anyone is stupid or bad or whatever, but just because resources are finite. This is qualitatively different from "native" development. You can be bad in either one; frameworks can make it either easier to be bad, or easier to be good. Cross-platform frameworks devolve towards the former for general-purpose computing.
 
Flash development on future Android phones and tablets will keep Adobe happy enough. Sadly, Apple are in danger of turning into their nemesis Microsoft with the protectionist strategies they've recently embraced. I don't hold Adobe in any higher regard than Apple in this - they are both chasing a moving target and have to think of the shareholders (and occasionally, their customers).

Eventually it will all pan out, but this has a long way to play yet. Adobe and Apple are like an unstoppable protectionist hitting an immovable protectionist. Eventually one of them has to give way. Meanwhile, on the sidelines Microsoft and Google will nip past and gather the non-geek majority under their fold.

Storm in a teacup.
 
But while Macs make up 45-50% of their software sales Macs still make up less than 10% of all home computers. If Apple is constantly at ends with Adobe why would they put millions of R&D into fixing Flash for 10% when they can focus on the other 90%?

Huh?
What difference does it make if Apple has 10% market share?
Apple versioned software makes up 50% of Adobe revenue.

Adobe simple cannot afford to discontinue support for Apple computers. To Adobe, Apple has 50% market share.

Apple could have a 1% market share but if Apple versioned software made up 50% of Adobes revenues and Adobe still couldn't discontinue Apple support.
 
No...

Reality is that iPhone is a phone - as in mobile smart TELEPHONE and as such is very good product specially when coupled with handful of decent apps...

Reality is also that iPad is, or suppose to be at least, NETBOOK replacement/ killer and is advertised as best device to browse the net on...

Reality is that it can't display half of the net out there...

Reality is also that way more than 75 million people are bit smarter than average Steve fanboi and are holding on to their cash which they will spend on much better (and most probably cheaper too) device!

Reality man!

REALITY :D

Unfortunately, 75 million iDevices account for 65% of mobile web access.
 
My experience differs from yours with BOTH Tribune websites in Chicago, LA, and even Baltimore and I keep reporting the Javascript crashes to Apple repeatedly and they've never been fixed and I've been posting comments on Tribune sites for almost as long as you, well except for the fact that...

Safari is NOT ANYWHERE NEAR 12 years old! LOL

Your story now seems suspiciously fanboyish. LMAO

Yes, LMAO indeed. I said I'd been visiting those sites that long, not necessarily in Safari--it was just to illustrate that I'm no stranger. I've been visiting them with Safari since it came out (when I switched from IE for Mac) in 2003, but only the experiences back to about 2007 really matter (that was when they launched the new platform, iirc).
 
I have FCP on my iMac and MacBook Pro. Each of the programs in the suite crashes repeatedly without much "effort" - ie - sometimes after creating a new project and adding one or two elements.

In fact - I would say with certainty - that FCP crashes more than any other app, browser,etc. And the consequences are more than just having to re-open a web browser.

So those that want to say that Adobe is evil because they can't get their program "in line" shouldn't turn a blind eye to Apple's own product.

And this isn't just the latest FCP - nor are my incidents isolated. So as "bad" as you want Adobe to be on taking care of their customers - Apple isn't exactly smelling like a rose.

Adobe's video editing sweet didn't crash as much. Just sayin'
 
Huh?
What difference does it make if Apple has 10% market share?
Apple versioned software makes up 50% of Adobe revenue.

Adobe simple cannot afford to discontinue support for Apple computers. To Adobe, Apple has 50% market share.

Apple could have a 1% market share but if Apple versioned software made up 50% of Adobes revenues and Adobe still couldn't discontinue Apple support.

I meant 'Flash player' aka issues with Flash for the web, Apple makes up less than 10% of the entire market so they are obviously going to spend less time fixing it vs windows based flash (player).
 
Very well said. Apple should have just let the market decide. As long as the end code meets Apple's requirements, how it is made should not be their concern. If the compiler makes crappy apps, then let the market push them into obscurity which it will inevitably do.

Again, the change in the SDK DOES NOT limit how code is made.
What the change in the SDK DOES do is limit how code runs on the device.
 
Apple responded to Chamber's blog.

"In a response, Apple indicated its preference for a variety of up-and-coming standards that collectively compete with what Flash can do.

"Someone has it backwards--it is HTML5, CSS, JavaScript, and H.264 (all supported by the iPhone and iPad) that are open and standard, while Adobe's Flash is closed and proprietary," said spokeswoman Trudy Miller in a statement. "

source
 
When you don't know what you're doing, lock it all down…

As sophisticated and talented as Apple's developers may be, if we truly believe the reasoning Steve set fourth about this being quality control. Then, this illustrates a lack of ability on Apple's developers to make a robust platform that can take all the woes of poor programming and what maybe inferior compilers. It's like this, if you manage a firewall, and you don't have the skills to make robust rules, you lock down everything…

Windows and IE aren't great, but they can take a beating.
 
Apple devices > Flash-based internet sites.

This is reality.

When you grow up you really need to sit and read all this delusional stuff that you post, I'm sure that you'll be as appalled at what you write as the rest of us are.
 
People fail to realize this has nothing to do with the flash plugin, and just an excuse for them to pound their chests and say how flash should die and that its not needed and how much cash apple has in reserves. not supporting the De fact o standard is just as bad as promoting your own proprietary format

Most of you don't seem to realize how negative this is.

It has nothing to do with Flash player resource hogging, or efficient coding of Apps, or any of that. This is Apple strong-arming developers away from writing apps for iPhone/iPad/iPod that can also be easily ported to other platforms in a strategic effort to undercut those other platforms.

Inefficient apps could easily (and already are) be rejected from the App Store if they use too many resources on the phone. The Flash-to-Obj-C compiler can create clean-efficient, fast-running code. There is no flash in the end product.
 
Unfortunately, 75 million iDevices account for 65% of mobile web access.

...And that number doesn't say anything if you don't compare it with overall web access. Very nice if 65% web traffic comes from an iDevice, but not so impressive if 99% of the time the web is accessed by a normal computer, eh?
 
Apple responded to Chamber's blog.

"In a response, Apple indicated its preference for a variety of up-and-coming standards that collectively compete with what Flash can do.

"Someone has it backwards--it is HTML5, CSS, JavaScript, and H.264 (all supported by the iPhone and iPad) that are open and standard, while Adobe's Flash is closed and proprietary," said spokeswoman Trudy Miller in a statement. "

source

No, it's just Apple doublespeak to cover up the fact that they want to keep everyone locked withing their walled garden and suck every dollar out of the i-users.

Open, my ass. And of course, the iPad suckers get mobile versions of sites in the meantime. And some retards are happy about it....

And they want to lock the developers, too, so they can't develop for other platforms simultaneously. Jobs has always been an nti-competitive bastard. Hope this bites him in the ass, and within a year most chose Android.
 
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