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Adobe to End Development on Flash-to-iPhone Compiler in Wake of Apple License Change

iSheep said:
When you grow up you really need to sit and read all this delusional stuff that you post,
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75 million iDevices account for 65% of mobile web access. All with NO FLASH. And that's not counting what the iPad will do.

Apple has this funny way of proving me (and others like me) right, every time.

What's up with that? Doesn't that just piss you off?

It must. What else would explain your MacRumors handle and your sig. Can you give us the scoop on what it's like for a Windows troll to camp an Apple fansite?
 
darthvapor said:
As sophisticated and talented as Apple's developers may be, if we truly believe the reasoning Steve set fourth about this being quality control. Then, this illustrates a lack of ability on Apple's developers to make a robust platform that can take all the woes of poor programming and what maybe inferior compilers. It's like this, if you manage a firewall, and you don't have the skills to make robust rules, you lock down everything…

Windows and IE aren't great, but they can take a beating.
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Care to explain more about this theory?
 
I don't like that my iPhone can't display flash, although in 3 years I needed flash on iPhone not more than 5 times.

But Apple is thinking longterm here. Yes they can allow flash on iPhone and make many users happy today but then they'll give too much power to Adobe over their own platform, which is not a good thing in long term for Apple. If Apple is hurt, users will eventually get hurt as well.

If Apple is making a bad financial decision, that them not allowing flash will actually reduce the amount of iPhone/iPad users, then they are doing something wrong. But they probably know more than we do over the long term effects of any decision over this kind of stuff.
 
windroll said:
Apple responded to Chamber's blog.

"In a response, Apple indicated its preference for a variety of up-and-coming standards that collectively compete with what Flash can do.

"Someone has it backwards--it is HTML5, CSS, JavaScript, and H.264 (all supported by the iPhone and iPad) that are open and standard, while Adobe's Flash is closed and proprietary," said spokeswoman Trudy Miller in a statement. "

source
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All wrapped up in a closed platform burrito.
 
Erwin-Br said:
...And that number doesn't say anything if you don't compare it with overall web access. Very nice if 65% web traffic comes from an iDevice, but not so impressive if 99% of the time the web is accessed by a normal computer, eh?
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Overall doesn't count. We're talking mobiles here. Flash still runs on Macs. After all, the iPad is just a big iPod Touch, right?

Mattie Num Nums said:
All wrapped up in a closed platform burrito.
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Thank god for that.
 
iBug2 said:
I don't like that my iPhone can't display flash, although in 3 years I needed flash on iPhone not more than 5 times.

But Apple is thinking longterm here. Yes they can allow flash on iPhone and make many users happy today but then they'll give too much power to Adobe over their own platform, which is not a good thing in long term for Apple. If Apple is hurt, users will eventually get hurt as well.
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iPhones are popular here and the iPad will be too, but all our developers are moving t Silverlight for in house apps. I wonder what Apple's stance on Silverlight is going to play out?
 
*LTD* said:
Unfortunately, 75 million iDevices account for 65% of mobile web access.
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What sort of web access?

Email? Checking weather report? Latest news?

In any case see that number drops very soon indeed since, as I said before, there are much more normal intelligent human beings who will spend their money on cheaper and better devices able to display REAL (and whole) WEB instead of blue lego boxes scattered about little draconian Steve bubble - or indeed bathtub :p
 
macUser2007 said:
No, it's just Apple doublespeak to cover up the fact that they want to keep everyone locked withing their walled garden and suck every dollar out of the i-users.

Open, my ass. And of course, the iPad suckers get mobile versions of sites in the meantime. And some retards are happy about it....
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What walled garden is that? The one called "the web"?

Open your ass, indeed. Precisely what part of that analysis is incorrect? Go on, tell us. While you're at it, let's hear what you mean by "the iPad suckers get mobile versions of sites"? You do realize that the iPad handles every site (that doesn't abuse Flash for navigation) indistinguishably from a "normal" computer...
 
*LTD* said:
Overall doesn't count. We're talking mobiles here. Flash still runs on Macs. After all, the iPad is just a big iPod Touch, right?
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You forget that until the iPhone and Android 2, nobody bothered browsing on a phone, because of crappy browsers.

But Android will overtake the iPhone within a year. I am sure then you'll start preaching that numbers don't matter.....
 
-=XX=-Nephilim said:
What sort of web access?

Email? Checking weather report? Latest news?

In any case see that number drops very soon indeed since, as I said before, there are much more normal intelligent human beings who will spend their money on cheaper and better devices able to display REAL (and whole) WEB instead of blue lego boxes scattered about little draconian Steve bubble - or indeed bathtub :p
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If that was true, flash lite has existed on other devices even before iPhone appeared. Still iPhone is used the most to browse the web to today.

Kind of gives you something to think about.
 
-=XX=-Nephilim said:
What sort of web access?

Email? Checking weather report? Latest news?

In any case see that number drops very soon indeed since, as I said before, there are much more normal intelligent human beings who will spend their money on cheaper and better devices able to display REAL WEB instead of blue lego boxes scattered about little draconian Steve bubble - or indeed bathtub :p
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We're waiting for these "normal and intelligent human beings" to do so. In light of the iPad and the rise of HTML5, it doesn't look too good.

But if you say so . . .
 
macUser2007 said:
BTW, if Adobe stopped developing CS for the Mac, I will load Windows on all my Mac hardware, and not look back. W7 is equally good as OS X, and in some ways better.

Apple has turned into an Evil Force. It is business, but other large companies will remember it, when Apple is vulnerable - and it will be again, some day.
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That's pretty much what all the Apple II loyalists said as well when Apple finally abandoned it. There have been lots of other changes forced on Apple users by Apple as well. No more floppies. No more OpenDoc. Mac OS9 to OSX. 68000 to PowerMac. PowerMac to Intel. Forced use of iTunes. End result, each time there's a change that pisses some users off Apple just keeps getting bigger and better. And less vulnerable.

Ironically, Apple was most vulerable when it was trying to be all things to all people and pressured by third parties to be inclusive. And they showed Apple no mercy knowing they could outcompete Apple if they could make it play their game. Competitors had such a low esteem of Apple at that point that Michael Dell even said he would break Apple up and give all the shareholders thier money back. So it's Apple doing the remembering who was vulerable and when and who the Evil Forces are.
 
coleridge78 said:
... You do realize that the iPad handles every site (that doesn't abuse Flash for navigation) indistinguishably from a "normal" computer...
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Yeah, every site which doesn't use Flash. Which makes about 60% of the web.

Apple made the same false claims as you, and had to pull their iPhone ads in the UK, because it was found to be deceiving the consumers.
 
*LTD* said:
We're waiting for these "normal and intelligent human beings" to do so. In light of the iPad and the rise of HTML5, it doesn't look too good.

But if you say so . . .
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So yes, you yourself praise Adobe's Flash.
 
*LTD* said:
Can you give us the scoop on what it's like for a Windows troll to camp an Apple fansite?
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I wouldn't know there's not a single Windows computer in my house and the username and signature are quite simply tongue-in-cheek based upon what my friends say to me.

I'm not the first to comment on your posts on these forums and I'm sure I won't be the last either.
 
PandaOnslaught said:
its the "alternative" so people are raging hard about how its going to make everything better, and that we don't need flash :rolleyes:
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No, it's not this has nothing to do with the web. It is about the SDK rule changes stating you can no longer creative native apps using 3rd party compilers. Nothing to do with HTML.
 
*LTD* said:
We're waiting for these "normal and intelligent human beings" to do so. In light of the iPad and the rise of HTML5, it doesn't look too good.

But if you say so . . .
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Looking at your avatar I honestly think that you don't do anything else but sit in the bath in front of your MacBook and this forums...

Go out man and have a little walk - you will meet plenty of normal and intelligent human beings that might even show you way out of SJ's mind prison... Freedom is priceless man - check it out! ;)
 
ppdix said:
Apple is not thinking about us users. They are being selfish and tyrant. Not cool... :mad:
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I don't care WHY they're killing Flash, as long as they kill it. Kill it for profit, kill it for users, kill it for their own entertainment.. just make it die!!!
 
iSheep said:
... I'm not the first to comment on your posts on these forums and I'm sure I won't be the last either.
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Ha-ha. Judging by the number of his posts, LTD is either an unemployed bum, or a paid Apple shill, or Steve Jobs.... :D
 
macUser2007 said:
Yeah, every site which doesn't use Flash. Which makes about 60% of the web.

Apple made the same false claims as you, and had to pull their iPhone ads in the UK, because it was found to be deceiving the consumers.
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60%, eh? Let's see your evidence. I'll be waiting...

... a long time ...
 
Can anybody who actually know what the thread was suppose to be about tell me if Game Salad and Torque is still aloud?
 
macUser2007 said:
Apple has turned into an Evil Force.
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You mean like the Emperor, Vader, and Sauron? Any one of them or all rolled into one? Does Steve shoot lightning from his hands? Maybe Phil Schiller is using his Force Powers on everyone during keynotes.

You're comment might mean something if it wasn't based on fairy tales and juvenile science fiction.

There is no such thing as an "Evil Force." It's business, and decisions are made in terms of strategy; sacrifices are made in one area to make greater perceived gains in another. There is no "evil" that plays into any of it. Apple differentiates themselves a certain way, and it's proven to be immensely successful.
 
macUser2007 said:
Yeah, every site which doesn't use Flash. Which makes about 60% of the web.
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You gotta be kidding me. The only reason flash exist on so many websites is because of the advertisements, stuff people don't want to see in the first place.

Websites which actually use flash to display their content is much less percentage than 60.
 
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