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Adobe to End Development on Flash-to-iPhone Compiler in Wake of Apple License Change

*LTD* said:
Overall doesn't count. We're talking mobiles here. Flash still runs on Macs. After all, the iPad is just a big iPod Touch, right?
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Not ALL Macs. ClickToFlash FTW!! :)

macUser2007 said:
You forget that until the iPhone and Android 2, nobody bothered browsing on a phone, because of crappy browsers.

But Android will overtake the iPhone within a year. I am sure then you'll start preaching that numbers don't matter.....
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The same Android OS that is on the Nexus One.. that's sold about 100k units? LOL. I mean, c'mon, if you put the OS on enough phones, of course it'll EVENTUALLY catch the iPhone.. but that's not too impressive. Apple gets it's mobile market share on ONE phone.
 
A pet peeve of mine is when you want so hard to not believe in stereotypes and then you run across people that personify them to the point that you just have to laugh and say to yourself - "That's why the stereotype exists".

LTD - you are the epitome of "fanboi" - someone who has drunk so much kool-aid that no doubt your hands, lips and tongue are permanently stained red.

It's unfortunate that sometimes you have some valid things to say and add to the conversation. But 9 times out of 10, personally, I disregard what you're posting because I consider the source and your inability to look beyond your own bubble.

I'll admit in the past it frustrated me (your posts, etc) - but now I just smile, laugh and say "there ya go... that's a typical LTD response"
 
H.264 open?

Since when has H.264 been considered open?!?!

Isn't the fact that it is PROPRIETARY what's keeping other entities from incorporating it (e.g. Mozilla)?
 
iBug2 said:
...stuff people don't want to see in the first place.
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Pretty sure the entertainment industry isn't going to see eye to eye with you. All movie websites are interactive Flash experiences. Primarily because it's entertaining and secondly because it's ubiquitous. When you're promoting something like a movie you have to be sure that everybody can see the content.

Plenty of people want to see that content.
 
iBug2 said:
You gotta be kidding me. The only reason flash exist on so many websites is because of the advertisements, stuff people don't want to see in the first place.
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And the ONLY reason Flash is used for advertisements, is because Flash is on virtually EVERY computer in the world, and advertisers can reach the greatest number of people.

If HTML5 had as good of penetration, there would have been as many ads done in HTML5. But there are not- so it should tell you something about the real world market-share of each....
 
HLdan said:
You obviously haven't been a Mac user very long. I go back since Mac OS 8.5. This crap with Adobe mistreating Apple's customers has been going along for many years. Without Apple there would be NO ADOBE. I'm stating that as FACT, because that's exactly what Adobe stated at WWDC a few short years back.
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I've been a user since 1996. As far as 'mistreating Apple customers'. I guess that is why Apple uses Adobe technology to run the GUI on OS X (Quartz, perhaps you have heard of it?); as per Steve Jobs way back at the introduction of OS X....so long ago the Apple logo was centered in the top and not on the left.
 
iBug2 said:
Indeed. My web browsing sped up so much after I installed Click2Flash. Thank god for that gadget.
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I suppose you never visit any entertainment sites, or sports sites, or art sites, or game sites, or Disney or even Pixar...?

Or you are just happy with the mobile versions and web-lite? Have another Kool-Aid.
 
stevejobbers said:
Since when has H.264 been considered open?!?!

Isn't the fact that it is PROPRIETARY what's keeping other entities from incorporating it (e.g. Mozilla)?
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Depends on your definition of open. It is "open" in that it is not a trade secret--the algorithms are published--and is currently (currently) licensed for free. It is patent-encumbered, and that no-fee part could change in the future.

Mozilla's official rationale for not incorporating it is the proprietary nature, but that's self-evidently a load of ******** for the gullible zealots who make up a smallish but important portion of their user base. Self-evident, because they support plenty of proprietary formats, codecs, and runtimes--including ironically H.264 itself via Flash, which is also proprietary in nearly exactly the same ways that H.264 is.
 
iBug2 said:
Indeed. My web browsing sped up so much after I installed Click2Flash. Thank god for that gadget.
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Aye, it's good for removing revenue from Arn. Who needs to help fund places like this through their advertising.
 
MacRumors said:
Update: CNET reports that an Apple spokesperson offered the following rebuttal to Chambers' comment that "ultimately open platforms will win out over the type of closed, locked down platform that Apple is trying to create":
"Someone has it backwards--it is HTML5, CSS, JavaScript, and H.264 (all supported by the iPhone and iPad) that are open and standard, while Adobe's Flash is closed and proprietary," said spokeswoman Trudy Miller in a statement.
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Possible comments:
1) Apple, come on. You know what they're saying.
2) So while you're on this open-ness rant against Adobe, why not open up the AppStore?
3) The schism amongst HTML, CSS and Javascript is one of the things I hate most about all web development. I need one book on one language to develop for iPhone. I need three books on three languages for web, not to mention the horrendously poor developer documentation on those subjects, differences between implementations on different platforms. Apple's API documentation is actually pretty good.
4) Who else uses H.264?
 
Click to Flash is a savior

macUser2007 said:
I suppose you never visit any entertainment sites, or sports sites, or art sites, or game sites, or Disney or even Pixar...?

Or you are just happy with the mobile versions and web-lite? Have another Kool-Aid.
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The Food Network site was barely usable for my wife who does alot of cooking and researching recipes. We just installed Click to Flash and now she is so happy going back to the Food Network site without all the annoying Flash ad's.

How's your Flash Kool Aid tasting by the way?
 
"Someone has it backwards--it is HTML5, CSS, JavaScript, and H.264 (all supported by the iPhone and iPad) that are open and standard, while Adobe's Flash is closed and proprietary," said spokeswoman Trudy Miller in a statement.
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Bang on the money! It's a bit hypocritical for Adobe to claim that the iPhone/iPad is proprietary when Flash is also, and the devices support open standards.
 
coleridge78 said:
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Mozilla's official rationale for not incorporating it is the proprietary nature, but that's self-evidently a load of ******** for the gullible zealots who make up a smallish but important portion of their user base. ....
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You mean "gullible zealots" like you, who are convinced that H.264 is open, because Apple and the other patent-holders have not started charging for it yet...?
 
macUser2007 said:
I suppose you never visit any entertainment sites, or sports sites, or art sites, or game sites, or Disney or even Pixar...?

Or you are just happy with the mobile versions and web-lite? Have another Kool-Aid.
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I visit ESPN, SI, and a number of entertainment sites nearly every day. None of them use Flash for any actual content except for their videos--which I'm happy to block because they're arrogant enough to have them autoplay.

I visit art and photography sites every day (and run my own). I find that while many of them use Flash, very few of the *good* ones use Flash. I'll put up with it for a particular person's work if and only if it comes highly recommended by people I trust. Art and photography speaks for itself--if you need to whore it up with a bunch of Flash lipstick I don't trust or agree with your artistic sense.

Game sites? They suck ass. I'll stick to native games (on my iPod Touch, MacBook, and consoles), thank you very much. Disney and Pixar? More evidence that, contrary to your "I'm cool, I'm not an Apple follower!" hype, you're just another consumer who wants to get advertised to.

Have fun being a slave!
 
benspratling said:
Possible comments:
1) Apple, come on. You know what they're saying.
2) So while you're on this open-ness rant against Adobe, why not open up the AppStore?
3) The schism amongst HTML, CSS and Javascript is one of the things I hate most about all web development. I need one book on one language to develop for iPhone. I need three books on three languages for web, not to mention the horrendously poor developer documentation on those subjects, differences between implementations on different platforms. Apple's API documentation is actually pretty good.
4) Who else uses H.264?
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1) No reply on that one
2) Apple isn't the one ranting about "openess", they're just replying
3) Isn't that the whole point of being open in the first place? Not having one programming language to adhere to.
4) Apple is using it. Blu-ray and HD DVD are using. So is Sony in its PSP. Even Microsoft, with their competing VC-1 format, has jumped on board by adding support for it on the Xbox 360.
 
gloomcookie1 said:
The Food Network site was barely usable for my wife who does alot of cooking and researching recipes. We just installed Click to Flash and now she is so happy going back to the Food Network site without all the annoying Flash ad's....
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For people with better comprehensions skills, the Food Network site is not so daunting....
 
macUser2007 said:
You mean "gullible zealots" like you, who are convinced that H.264 is open, because Apple and the other patent-holders have not started charging for it yet...?
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Why did you selectively quote me to exclude the part where I put "open" in quotes? That means that, no, I'm not convinced it's "open" but at the moment it is "the most open" of any quality codec, so practicality wins. I find it funny that you're criticizing H.264 when you're such a great believer of Flash, which is exactly as proprietary (more so, in fact, because there are no quality IDEs for Flash aside from Adobe's Flash application) and it uses H.264.

I also don't know it to be the case that Apple holds any patents in the H.264 pool; do you?
 
coleridge78 said:
...Have fun being a slave!
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Huh?! Being a slave to what? The world wide web, in all its glory, including Flash?

You are limiting your browsing experience because of your religion, not me or the rest of the sane world.

I am sure you'll be riling against Google in a month or two as well, when Jobs tells you that Bing is much better for you....
 
gloomcookie1 said:
The Food Network site was barely usable for my wife who does alot of cooking and researching recipes. We just installed Click to Flash and now she is so happy going back to the Food Network site without all the annoying Flash ad's.

How's your Flash Kool Aid tasting by the way?
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I take it she not only doesn't watch any of the cooking videos, but she's ALSO a bad cook too? LOL :D
 
gloomcookie1 said:
The Food Network site was barely usable for my wife who does alot of cooking and researching recipes. We just installed Click to Flash and now she is so happy going back to the Food Network site without all the annoying Flash ad's.

How's your Flash Kool Aid tasting by the way?
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Just went on Food Networks site on my Powerbook G4 runs fine for me.
 
macUser2007 said:
For people with better comprehensions skills, the Food Network site is not so daunting....
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I would appreciate you not talking about my wife in that way. Her comprehension skills far out way yours any time of the day.

Some people don't like flash videos to automatically play when they go to a particular website. Hence click to flash.

Stick to arguing with me if that's what you want to do.
 
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