LOL. Pass the Kool-Aid....
You REALLY don't see why Apple doesn't want Flash on their iDevices?
If so, I am surprised you can figure out this keyboard thing....
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Adobe to End Development on Flash-to-iPhone Compiler in Wake of Apple License Change
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LOL. Pass the Kool-Aid....
You REALLY don't see why Apple doesn't want Flash on their iDevices?
If so, I am surprised you can figure out this keyboard thing....
I bought a netbook+ instead of an iPad. Tonight I'll be hooking it up to my TV via a single HDMI cable, firing up Firefox with Flash, and re-watching that episode of Glee.
About the most arrogant statement if there was one, given the iPad's many shortcomings.
The iPad is about as useful as the Apple TV is... the Apple TV had tons of potential, had Apple actually chosen to make it a much more capable device.
Flash is here today and Apple doesn't have the market share to kill it. Not working with Adobe will just put Flash further behind on OSX, which is not what I want to see happen... as the next version of Flash is definitely getting tweaked like crazy to run great on Windows.
Yeah because iPad is as useful as Apple TV is it has sold over a million in 3 weeks. iPad is better than a netbook. That's a no brainer. It has its shortcomings but it's designed around the shortcomings in the first place. A netbook is not "designed". A netbook is a cheap and small notebook which runs the same software and interface, which is not designed for such a small and powerless device to begin with.
Surfing on a netbook is really annoying. And that's what people do 99% with netbooks. They surf.
Surfing on iPad is even more fun than surfing on real laptop, maybe even a desktop.
Are you talking about flash, the browser plugin, or flash the runtime now?
The browser plugin has nothing to do with application development on idevices.
So you're making no sense.
I bought a netbook+ instead of an iPad. Tonight I'll be hooking it up to my TV via a single HDMI cable, firing up Firefox with Flash, and re-watching that episode of Glee.
So what you are saying is that you bought a netbook to watch tv shows in your TV in your home? Smart purchase.
I agree with both the post you quoted and your post.
Still, some argue that the mac platform might become a second class citizen in adobeland (provided we are not there already, of course).
Say Adobe's business is hurt by Apple's move and they decide to concentrate efforts on improving CS on windows rather than optimizing its performance on mac.. what if they decide a win version of CS6 is coming months before the mac version.. what if they decide the mac version for whatever reason is not getting one or two features.. basically what if CS becomes just like Office?
Exactly because of their patents and monopoly in the industry, this shouldn't hurt Adobe's bottom line at all, but it would certainly hurt the mac platform as a whole (and drive thousands of creative pros mad).
I'm not a graphic designer or a desktop publisher, so I wouldn't be affected in the slightest (and I'm therefore happy the Mac itself won't die because Adobe wants it to) but there's a significant bunch of people who would certainly be affected.
Personally, I prefer Apple to have a choice but that's just me.
This is hilarious. I counted maybe 3 posts in the past 7 pages that weren't totally off topic. I had to glance up at the title to be sure I was still in the right thread. People are amazing.
Save me some popcorn... I gotta take a whiz.
Save me some popcorn... I gotta take a whiz.
I think virtually all threads on the Flash-to-iPhone compiler have turned into general Flash for/against ones.
People like big-picture drama and keep bringing it back.
The problem with Flash right now is that they don't have any leverage. Assuming the iPhone never existed, Flash that is available on other mobile platforms doesn't even operate perfectly. I keep hearing that they are supposed to fix that, but in the here and now they have very little worthwhile in the mobile field. Bring in Apple who says, too little, too late, promises promises and this makes things worse. Apple has some great pull in the mobile field, and apparently they feel they have been burned by Adobe, so they have washed their hands of them.
Adobe could pull photoshop, etc. etc., but this could still hurt their business and wouldn't be a wise decision. People think Apple are hurting designers with their decision, which might be true, but let's face it, Apple has become a consumer company and left the professional creative market.
Also, Flash won't die. It's great for flash games and ads. Video really should move on to other things though where flash really isn't necessary, at least in my opinion. Which brings me to another point of why flash is useless on mobile. The flash games that exist are not created around touch. They are based on mouse clicks and keyboard.
I'm not for or against flash on the iphone, but I don't think logically Flash has any leg to stand on at this point.
Adobe could pull photoshop, etc. etc., but this could still hurt their business and wouldn't be a wise decision. People think Apple are hurting designers with their decision, which might be true, but let's face it, Apple has become a consumer company and left the professional creative market.
Also, Flash won't die. It's great for flash games and ads. Video really should move on to other things though where flash really isn't necessary, at least in my opinion. Which brings me to another point of why flash is useless on mobile. The flash games that exist are not created around touch. They are based on mouse clicks and keyboard.
I'm not for or against flash on the iphone, but I don't think logically Flash has any leg to stand on at this point.
Apple has been a second class citizen on Adobeland for at least 10 years now. Back when macs had 90% marketshare on Photoshop, that's when we were the first class citizens. But that was like 15 years ago.
I'm not in desktop publishing myself either. So I could care less if Adobe abandoned the mac platform. But I doubt that'll happen. The patents hold by adobe are a lot, but that doesn't stop possible future rivals from trying to get on the scene, especially on Linux. Gimp has been doing some pretty amazing stuff, basically going around the patents of Adobe to create tools that basically do the exact same thing. And patents do have an expiration date.
Then again, Apple made a really smart move in the last 10 years, basically after Jobs returned, and made sure that losing professional market wouldn't hurt the business, in case it happens. That's why they dropped the computer from their name, that's why they paid a ton of money to develop different devices for different markets, so they are not dependent on one market at a time, like they were before.
And for the first time in years, with this strategy, Apple managed to get a considerable marketshare on portable music business and smartphone business. A marketshare they never had and never will on computer business.
So even though I'm annoyed by some of their decisions, the track record of the last decade shows that they are doing something right.
Not just games. Any interactive flash web content isn't designed around touch and it'll be a bitch to try to navigate around those sites on a touchscreen phone.
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PS: Damnit, aqua color is no longer supported, my bad.
Becoming obvious...
It's starting to become obvious what Apple are doing here...
Apple continues to grow in power and hold 3rd party with an iron grip. 3 years ago, Apple was far from the powerhouse it was today, now the company seems to go to strength to strength with every bound.
Analysts love AAPL, Steve Jobs is back at the helm, and Apple continues to sell products like hot cakes. It is this lethal combination which gives Apple the might and will that nothing will stand in it's way, whether rightly or wrongly.
Whilst Adobe Flash does dominate a large proportion of the web, I see Apple's view is now changing. Remember YouTube, when they re-encoded all the videos to H264, well it is examples such as that which contribute to Apple's 'attitude'.
I see Apple as developing an attitude now along the lines of 'we will continue to dominate handheld web devices, and if you are a web developer and want your content viewed, then no flash'.
Apple are good at this type of stuff.
It's starting to become obvious what Apple are doing here...
Apple continues to grow in power and hold 3rd party with an iron grip. 3 years ago, Apple was far from the powerhouse it was today, now the company seems to go to strength to strength with every bound.
Analysts love AAPL, Steve Jobs is back at the helm, and Apple continues to sell products like hot cakes. It is this lethal combination which gives Apple the might and will that nothing will stand in it's way, whether rightly or wrongly.
Whilst Adobe Flash does dominate a large proportion of the web, I see Apple's view is now changing. Remember YouTube, when they re-encoded all the videos to H264, well it is examples such as that which contribute to Apple's 'attitude'.
I see Apple as developing an attitude now along the lines of 'we will continue to dominate handheld web devices, and if you are a web developer and want your content viewed, then no flash'.
Apple are good at this type of stuff.
Absolutely not true. Most will work fine, or are easily adaptable.
http://techcrunch.com/2009/11/16/adobe-flash-player-10-1-air-2-0/
Read and shed tears into your Jobs Kool-Aid Special....
It's starting to become obvious what Apple are doing here...
Apple continues to grow in power and hold 3rd party with an iron grip. 3 years ago, Apple was far from the powerhouse it was today, now the company seems to go to strength to strength with every bound.
Analysts love AAPL, Steve Jobs is back at the helm, and Apple continues to sell products like hot cakes. It is this lethal combination which gives Apple the might and will that nothing will stand in it's way, whether rightly or wrongly.
Whilst Adobe Flash does dominate a large proportion of the web, I see Apple's view is now changing. Remember YouTube, when they re-encoded all the videos to H264, well it is examples such as that which contribute to Apple's 'attitude'.
I see Apple as developing an attitude now along the lines of 'we will continue to dominate handheld web devices, and if you are a web developer and want your content viewed, then no flash'.
Apple are good at this type of stuff.
As long as they don't do it illegally then of course they are going to do that. Every company wants to dominate. Ultimately, the consumer will choose, and the only way Apple can be successful is if the consumer allows it to happen. Apple hasn't created this concept, it has been around for a long time. Some companies dominate for a while and then it stops. It may stop for Apple, who knows, only time does. I think the reason there is so much angst here is that people really like the iphone and don't want to go to a different device so they just bitch and moan, but still go out and buy it like Apple forced them to or something.
Agreed, the only area where I can't see content moving away from Flash is education content, much of it is updated very infrequently and is quite legacy.
i.e. Pearson content, BBC etc...
From the Article you linked...
"Want all that goodness on your mobile phone, too? Hold your horses: while a public beta of Adobe Flash Player 10.1 for Palm webOS is expected later this year, Google Android support is expected no sooner than early 2010, and support for Blackberry smartphones will likely take even more time to be added."
Like I said, too little, too late. They don't have the leverage to become a major player at this point. They had better hurry up if they want to beat Apple. No kool-aid drinking here, just trying to be objective about the whole thing. Timing is a key issue for many things and adobe hasn't used it well.
Apple has been pretty lame on this one.
But I digress.
I could've gone all week without hearing about the iPhone and Flash.the majority of the posters don't see that, they just repeat what apple has said about Flash. Why should apple care how their apps are created, as there are plenty of "approved" apps written that are substandard and useless. It comes across petty and childish to me. Don't fight for open standards in one breath and stifle development with another
It's NOT dead yet
Thank god for Dosbox and all those great games. I'm currently enjoying some SCUMMvm classics.
"Google is working to enable an open ecosystem for the mobile world by creating a standard, open mobile software platform. Today we're excited that, working with Adobe, we will be able to bring both AIR and Flash to Android.
Google believes that developers should have their choice of tools and technologies to create applications."
http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2010/04/adobe_air_on_the_android_platf.html
I don't see how Steve thinks making enemies with Google and Adobe would be in the best interests of Mac users in the long run...
Give users AND developers freedom of choice!!!
Google believes that developers should have their choice of tools and technologies to create applications."
http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2010/04/adobe_air_on_the_android_platf.html
I don't see how Steve thinks making enemies with Google and Adobe would be in the best interests of Mac users in the long run...
Give users AND developers freedom of choice!!!
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Flash is slow and a CPU monster for little payoff, even on a desktop. Can you imagine the very poor preformance it would cause on the iPhone? I personally don't want it anywhere near my phone. And I'm a regular consumer like you. And they're right, Flash is the closed proprietary platform.
ppdix said:Apple is not thinking about us users. They are being selfish and tyrant. Not cool...
Flash is slow and a CPU monster for little payoff, even on a desktop. Can you imagine the very poor preformance it would cause on the iPhone? I personally don't want it anywhere near my phone. And I'm a regular consumer like you. And they're right, Flash is the closed proprietary platform.
...back to the topic of the thread....
Has anyone ever seen benchmark data on how an app written in Objective-C performs vs. the same app compiled by Flash CS5?
I'm guessing no.
I'm guessing Apple hasn't either.
So to everyone who claims "compiled apps don't perform as well": back it up.
Adobe announced CS5 would have this feature about 6 months ago. Apple's timing in the revision in their requirements (the friday before the CS5 official launch) was downright dickish.
Has anyone ever seen benchmark data on how an app written in Objective-C performs vs. the same app compiled by Flash CS5?
I'm guessing no.
I'm guessing Apple hasn't either.
So to everyone who claims "compiled apps don't perform as well": back it up.
Adobe announced CS5 would have this feature about 6 months ago. Apple's timing in the revision in their requirements (the friday before the CS5 official launch) was downright dickish.
You can't be a regular consumer. To those who argue for flash, they are the only consumer they care about. Your opinion doesn't count. Probably the same people who tend to think Free Speech means only freedom of THEIR speech, everyone else can ****.
So you really have nothing to contribute but barbs now?
If you don't like the cave go find another one and stopping hanging around this one. You're certainly not going to change it no matter who you insult or what color font you use.
And I think that's what bothers people so much.