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People just want a $500 device to work!

If "people" want a device that works with everything, we wouldn't be seeing the kinds of numbers Apple is posting, nor would we be hearing ad infinitum from the industry and users alike that the iPad is the Second Coming. The industry is in a total iPad frenzy, and the device is about to run away with the market. And it doesn't do Flash.

It's already sold nearly a million units and it's been on the market for barely a month. Developers and content providers are busying themselves supporting it and rolling out apps for it. It's taking off in a huge way.

So think twice before you presume to know what "people" want. Apple's numbers don't lie, and projected iPad sales are impressive, and some are even calling them conservative. The landscape is changing and now Apple is dictating the rules of the game. Some may regard that as being arrogant. For Apple, though, it’s the price of being in charge of their own destiny.
 
Well, I guess people shouldn't use big words when talking to you....

He is NOT wrong, but you are clueless.

I will quote from the HTML5 draft page:

Implementors should be aware that this specification is not stable. Implementors who are not taking part in the discussions are likely to find the specification changing out from under them in incompatible ways.


So much nonsensical religious babbling here....

You are poor at parsing plain English. Read it again.
 
"Someone has it backwards--it is HTML5, CSS, JavaScript, and H.264 (all supported by the iPhone and iPad) that are open and standard, while Adobe's Flash is closed and proprietary,"

Apple pwn.
 
Flash is a closed system.
Flash needs a friggin' plugin to work
Flash is a CPU hog
Flash is a resource hog
Those are my minor gripes

Now, as a university professional who works with the largest college system in the US and deals with other university professionals in other states....

LOL. "University Professional...." Doing what - a security guard....?

'Cause your knowledge is about at that level.
 
And what? You were the one saying that Flash doesn't work (well) on any phone. My point was that the iPad isn't a phone. It's something "else." And something many people are looking to either replace their laptop/netbooks and/or get the best browsing experience they can. Which is, of course, subjective.

The person I was responding to specifically talked about phones, and more generally the assertion was that Flash works everywhere but the iPhone/iPad. I was pointing out that this is plainly false, because Flash works on exactly zero phones.
 
Or...

You learn something new. It's not impossible. I too make a living using Adobe 'products', but Not Flash (most of the time) butI would be happy to learn and new technologies.
^ This. As a fellow graphic designer I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm an Apple fan for sure, but the moment Apple starts affecting how I make my living and support my family is the moment I say good-bye. I wouldn't even need to think about it.
 
I don't know the details of each standard/format too well, but it does seem like Apple is well into HTML5 now. The Apple site has dropped flash for HTML 5 video/animation. I'm more curious in seeing what Microsoft does as IE is currently support-less.
 
If "people" want a device that works with everything, we wouldn't be seeing the kinds of numbers Apple is posting, nor would we be hearing ad infinitum from the industry and users alike that the iPad is the Second Coming. The industry is in a total iPad frenzy, and the device is about to run away with the market. And it doesn't do Flash.

It's already sold nearly a million units and it's been on the market for barely a month. Developers and content providers are busying themselves supporting it and rolling out apps for it. It's taking off in a huge way.

So think twice before you presume to know what "people" want. Apple's numbers don't lie, and projected iPad sales are impressive, and some are even calling them conservative. The landscape is changing and now Apple is dictating the rules of the game. Some may regard that as being arrogant. For Apple, though, it’s the price of being in charge of their own destiny.

LTD - here's a newsflash for ya...

While the iPad is selling impressively (I bought one too) - the amount sold vs it's potential (POTENTIAL) is miniscule. And it's running away with the market right now because there are no other devices that it's competing against.

Try and be a little less obnoxious with your posts and perhaps people will respond better to you. Your "think twice" comment is immature at best. Apple isn't being arrogant - you are. As if you created the iPad. You have no idea what people want any more than others in this thread - so take a reality check and stop presuming to know better.

I have no intentions of dissing Apple OR the iPad - but it's time for you to put down your pom-poms and stop posting as if Apple is invincible. Apple is a great company. They have even better marketing and PR. But they have faults. Their devices aren't perfect. Either is their software. And people are allowed to not only recognize shortcomings and issues, but also discuss it.
 
Exactly -

They want it to work and stay secure.

So far, all my Apple products work very well. But I'm happy you found that ONE example where you can't watch Glee. Sorry about that. Return your iPad? Or iPhone because you can't watch Glee yet? Did you have one, I missed that. By the way, Youtube works well, as does Netflix and ABC and - well, you get the point.
If Adobe ran things computers would still have floppy disk drives. I mean, they work, right? And at one point they had 100% of the computer user base using them, so why change? Floppy drives forever!

Can Flash developers NOT use other programming languages? Is it in their DNA to only work in Flash? Or is it they only KNOW Flash?


Thank you for summing up my point.

I'm not even in favor of FLASH either!

People just want a $500 device to work!
 
Read what? I am beginning to realize that you are poor at thinking in any language.

You are the Pat Robertson of Apple.... :D

Share with us precisely what you thought that meant, and how it supported which argument you were making. I'm not going to blast you again without giving you a chance to make sense, even though I'm beginning to suspect you're another 14 year old troll.
 
Shortcomings?

I think not running Flash is a feature.

Simple as that.

And I can't wait to see the magic when HP releases their HP-PAD. (name change from slate no doubt coming soon)

I think you can forgive the poster for being excited about an Apple product on an Apple fan/rumor site. Geez.

LTD - here's a newsflash for ya...

While the iPad is selling impressively (I bought one too) - the amount sold vs it's potential (POTENTIAL) is miniscule. And it's running away with the market right now because there are no other devices that it's competing against.

Try and be a little less obnoxious with your posts and perhaps people will respond better to you. Your "think twice" comment is immature at best. Apple isn't being arrogant - you are. As if you created the iPad. You have no idea what people want any more than others in this thread - so take a reality check and stop presuming to know better.

I have no intentions of dissing Apple OR the iPad - but it's time for you to put down your pom-poms and stop posting as if Apple is invincible. Apple is a great company. They have even better marketing and PR. But they have faults. Their devices aren't perfect. Either is their software. And people are allowed to not only recognize shortcomings and issues, but also discuss it.
 
Flash is a closed system.
Flash needs a friggin' plugin to work
Flash is a CPU hog
Flash is a resource hog
Those are my minor gripes

Were you alive in the days when you needed to install the QUICKTIME plugin on a MAC just to watch video or play sound files?!?!?!?!?

How about how iTunes is a resource hog on Mac Pros when merely listening to music?
 
Hey let me make a point maybe that I didn't make clear before...

The lack of FLASH on the iPhone is not so much a big deal to me.
I think many iPhone buyers were not shocked or upset by it, including me.
But that was iPhone first generation. Times are changing.
There are many iPhone competitors out there now.

And it's the iPad platform where FLASH is glaringly absent because it clearly shows up the iPad as not being a netbook replacement even as Apple suggested today.

And Flash works like crap on Macs in general.
 
Share with us precisely what you thought that meant, and how it supported which argument you were making.....

Let me quote again, from the HTML5 draft page:

Implementors should be aware that this specification is not stable. Implementors who are not taking part in the discussions are likely to find the specification changing out from under them in incompatible ways.


For the slower among us..., who believe Steve Jobs that HTML5 is here and taking over Flash today (just because He doesn't want them to stray from His walled garden).
 
I think you can forgive the poster for being excited about an Apple product on an Apple fan/rumor site. Geez.

Perhaps you're new here. If not, then perhaps you're just not aware of LTD's posting history. It speaks for itself. I don't have a problem with enthusiasm. LTD's posts transcend that.
 
Let me quote again, from the HTML5 draft page:

Implementors should be aware that this specification is not stable. Implementors who are not taking part in the discussions are likely to find the specification changing out from under them in incompatible ways.


For the slower among us..., who believe Steve Jobs that HTML5 is here and taking over Flash today.

Okay, that's a start. Now, who said HTML5 is going to replace Flash today?

Anybody?
 
Personally I don't like how flash behaves on macs, and I think that's mostly due to Adobe being "lazy", as some put it.
At the same time, I don't like the over-controlling attitude Apple's being having in this whole ordeal.

I believe it is legitimate for Apple to control its eco-system, as one could argue it is legitimate for Adobe to be as lazy as they like.
One of them will win this case and the other will take its own responsibilities.

What strikes me, though, is the fear creative pros are displaying in a lot of posts in this and other forums, implying that even if Apple might be right, it shouldn't go at war with Adobe in such a blatant manner, as God knows what that might bring. Demise of CS on mac.

Well, the way I see it, Apple has been working on exactly this ever since Jobs got back to the Company.
It is true that creative pros were basically the only market keeping the boat afloat for a number of dark years in the 90s, but on the other hand, this market, compared to the overall pro and consumer potential market, was too niche of a segment to ensure survival in the long term.

If you factor in that the whole platform in such a small market was completely dependent on a few applications, namely Adobe's products, you could see that the first goal Steve had in mind was probably trying to get out of this corner and free Apple from the very market that had kept it alive, removing the dependency of the Mac platform to one or more software corporations.

That's basically where the strategy of the last decade comes from: iMacs, iBooks, iPods, Mac Minis, Apple TVs, iPhone, iPads, iTMS, iBooks, etc. It all comes down to getting out of the pro market and reach for the infinitely broader consumer market. That is also why this company is now called Apple Inc. and just posted its best ever non-holiday financial quarter.

All in all, I understand the perspective of creative pros (and if I were one I would probably be royally pissed if there was even a slight chance that I would sometime need to make a choice between Apple and Adobe).

Still, it seems a fact to me that Apple feels it no longer depends on creative pros (and I include audio and video pros as well - see development for Logic, Final Cut, etc.), and in a safe position to take a firm stand on what they assume is wiser for their business, even if this leads to an obvious confrontation with one of their main software maker.

I'm not happy this flash compiler issue is being dealt the way it is, and I would certainly not be happy if, in the worst case (and IMO literally impossible) scenario, Adobe kissed the mac platform goodbye.

At the same time, I can't help being very very very happy that Apple no longer depends on a single market segment or software vendor.
I.e., Apple can now say "**** off" to Adobe, if they like.

Whether that's right or wrong, I don't know and time will tell, but it is a luxury we mac user could have never dreamt of 15 years ago, and boy am I glad about that.
 
I think not running Flash is a feature.

Simple as that.

And I can't wait to see the magic when HP releases their HP-PAD. (name change from slate no doubt coming soon)

I think you can forgive the poster for being excited about an Apple product on an Apple fan/rumor site. Geez.

Hello Art... Welcome to the Steven Paul Jobs Reality Distortion Cave.

Everyone... say hello to Art!

HI ART! :D
 
This whole discussion has gotten waaaaaay off track....

The original topic was the Flash Compiler making an iPhone OS app. NOT about using Flash on an iPhone OS-based Apple product.

Back to topic.... what's the big deal if an app was made in Flash?

The non-issue here is that if an app is bad and buggy, I DELETE IT FROM MY iPHONE!!!!

If Flash Compiler doesn't work well then Darwinism will prevail.

Apple shouldn't put a hinder on HOW an app is created.
 
What is and why do we need a "mobile internet"?

Smartphones nowadays are very capable little gadgets which can handle the non "mobile internet". I'm all for HTML5 and the development of open standards but I don't want it to be at the expense of a watered down version of what we have now.

Dont worry punch the monkey will be coming to you via HTML5 soon.
 
LTD - here's a newsflash for ya...

While the iPad is selling impressively (I bought one too) - the amount sold vs it's potential (POTENTIAL) is miniscule. And it's running away with the market right now because there are no other devices that it's competing against.

Try and be a little less obnoxious with your posts and perhaps people will respond better to you. Your "think twice" comment is immature at best. Apple isn't being arrogant - you are. As if you created the iPad. You have no idea what people want any more than others in this thread - so take a reality check and stop presuming to know better.

I have no intentions of dissing Apple OR the iPad - but it's time for you to put down your pom-poms and stop posting as if Apple is invincible. Apple is a great company. They have even better marketing and PR. But they have faults. Their devices aren't perfect. Either is their software. And people are allowed to not only recognize shortcomings and issues, but also discuss it.

Painting denial with a veneer of feigned objectivity is at best, amusing, and at worst, downright disingenuous.

OBVIOUSLY Apple isn't perfect. This is the argument trolls love to pull out: But Apple isn't perfect! Yes, we know, not much *can* be perfect. Michael Phelps isn't "perfect" either, but a winner is a winner. Apple leads the industry due to their approach to technology. Acknowledging this fact doesn't make anyone blind or a "fanboi." It's a truism, nothing more, nothing less.
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