People have been discussing exactly that for fifteen pages. If you haven't understood the ramifications (and the incorrectness of applying some notion of "Darwin" outside of particular areas of biological evolution), it's possible that you don't understand enough yet to comment. Just possible.
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Adobe to End Development on Flash-to-iPhone Compiler in Wake of Apple License Change
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People have been discussing exactly that for fifteen pages. If you haven't understood the ramifications (and the incorrectness of applying some notion of "Darwin" outside of particular areas of biological evolution), it's possible that you don't understand enough yet to comment. Just possible.
A bit of Flash is still there too.All I see on Apple's site is tons of its closed Quicktime videos.
http://www.apple.com/itunes/myitunes/
WOW!!! Wait till Steve finds out - he's gonna be FURIOUS!!!
But what does it tell you about Flash? Even Apple uses it! It just makes no sense not to support Flash today, and supporting new standards like HTML 5 for the future too.
Terrible analogy. Michael Phelps wins races. This would be like Apple getting the gold medal for winning half the race. Apple has won half the race. They are winning in your favorite category, numbers. They are behind in a few others though.
Back in the days everything was different.
iTunes issue with Nehalems have been fixed within 9 months. Flash has been a resource hog for 15 years and still is not fixed.
I still hope the engines like Unity are fine though.
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The Flash drama is just about as bad as sitcom drama.
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The Flash drama is just about as bad as sitcom drama.
I was simply making a joke about your wife, sorry.
Obviously, she has both cooking and computer issues, but I didn't want to get into that.
My point was simply, that many sites require FLASH and HTML 5 + other hacks don't replace it at this time.
If you choose to live in a cave, fine, that's your prerogative.
Everyone knows FLASH doesn't work well on Macs, I've criticized both Apple AND Adobe for this.
My biggest point now is that this impasse does not help consumers at all.
And living in a cave and avoiding FLASH is not a better solution either.
Well, you seem to have problems using the internet without flash so I wouldn't talk about other peoples issues and deal with your own
Your the one that seems to be living in a cave be use you're sitting arguing for a language that you freely admit doesn't work well on macs because Adobe decides they want to port to Mac instead of writing for the platform.
How does that help consumers....I'm able to do my banking, support my users, read the news, listen to podcasts, watch my netflix, and reply to posts that insult my wife continously, all on my iPad without Flash.
I'm not being hurt at all by no Flash. Your argument about not supporting Flash hurting consumers is bunk and a bunch of blogger hyperbole.
Does it hurt developers, for those that use porting tools maybe, but it's a bunch of hogwash that it hurts consumers and its not good for them. It's a tired argument.
WOW!!! Wait till Steve finds out - he's gonna be FURIOUS!!!
But what does it tell you about Flash? Even Apple uses it! It just makes no sense not to support Flash today, and supporting new standards like HTML 5 for the future too.
You don't get it. As long as you keep supporting flash, you are making sure that it doesn't actually go away. Not supporting flash speeds up wide use of HTML5. Did you see what happened prior to iPad launch? Many major websites have created html5 versions of their content to coincide with the launch. Mostly you need to force people out of old technologies if you want to get things done.
Do I want flash on my iPhone today? Yes I do, although I don't need it that much, it'd be nice to have the option. But whenever I think like that I keep reminding myself the quote from Henry Ford which goes: “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”
Nooooo.... people have been discussing HTML5 vs Flash browsing. NOTHING to do with iPhone OS APPS.
True.. butttttttt... the use of HTML5 to deliver video content wasn't don't to force Flash out - it was a logical decision to expand the potential audience. These sites didn't replace their Flash, they added an alternative, again to gain the larger audience.
That's what has to happen at first anyway, as long as websites keep creating the alternatives, there will come a time when enough websites do have alternatives running, so flash won't be necessary anymore.
BS. The iPad does not support Flash only because Apple wants to keep it a closed system and to make you go through the App Store or iTunes for all your apps and media.
HTML5 is good, but it WILL NOT replace Flash for many purposes. So Flash will happily coexist with HTML5, when HTML5 becomes a viable standard.
Your argument is simplistic and silly: Why doesn't Apple ban cars, while we are forcing out old technology? Or QuickTime, and adopt MKV?
Unlike personal grudge, large and successful companies never hold grudge for long, as long as their own products are independently successful. It's one of the important trait for being a successful leader, they don't get emotional when it comes to dealing with other companies. They are, however, passionate of their own products.
Don't worry about the so called "wars" the news article trying to portray, it's just a gimmick to attract readers, like any other tabloid news. Microsoft allow Windows to run iTunes and Quicktimes, Apple allow dual boot to Windows OS, Google Search is still the primary search engine in iPhone, and Adobe products run on both Win and Mac OS.
However, if hypothetically speaking, Adobe's own product line starting to weaken with lesser user base, I have no doubt Apple or MS or Google will jump at the chance to squash Adobe. Same goes for if Apple's products become weak or too dependable on others. You can see why many company have strong stance when it comes to product dependency, it's not personal, just business.
So even if Flash become obsolete, I'm not too worried about Adobe, Photoshop dominate the media industry, and so is their many other products. Apple will continue to support those strong products, we'll just have to see how strong Flash is. I mean if Flash is that successful as it appears to be, then why did Macromedia sold to Adobe in the first place.
What are you talking about? Even if iPad supports flash people still need App Store to buy apps.
HTML5 will not replace flash games and interactivity at this point for sure, but it will easily replace flash video. That's unavoidable at this point. The uncertainty is only around the codec, not the container.
Apple isn't in automotive business btw if you didn't know.
And Quicktime is not a web standard. Quicktime is a container. It's used in professional video editing. So you don't ban Quicktime. Apple can replace Quicktime videos in their website with HTML5 versions for sure and eventually it'll happen. But that's not banning Quicktime. It'll keep existing as a container for a long time.
Yes, but he didn't say that the "out of the ordinary" feature would be that they still have Core 2 Duos!
NO..in a free country, the user gets to decide whether or not to buy an iphone or not, not how the thing operates. You didn't design it and you don't have the right to dictate to Apple how to allow their products to run. That would NOT be a free country. It is really sad how if YOU don't get your way, that somehow it's wrong. Who cares how it affects everyone else, right? It's obviously not a free country if you are the only free one to force others to do things your way. And Apple isn't doing this either, they ARE letting the market decide. IF flash is so important, trust me, the iPhone will die. They aren't forcing you to buy their product.
Having opinions about Flash on the iPhone is perfectly great conversation, but you need to stop assuming that we should have the right to make the choices they make on their own products. That's not freedom you speak of.
I bought a netbook+ instead of an iPad. Tonight I'll be hooking it up to my TV via a single HDMI cable, firing up Firefox with Flash, and re-watching that episode of Glee.
About the most arrogant statement if there was one, given the iPad's many shortcomings.
The iPad is about as useful as the Apple TV is... the Apple TV had tons of potential, had Apple actually chosen to make it a much more capable device.
Flash is here today and Apple doesn't have the market share to kill it. Not working with Adobe will just put Flash further behind on OSX, which is not what I want to see happen... as the next version of Flash is definitely getting tweaked like crazy to run great on Windows.
About the most arrogant statement if there was one, given the iPad's many shortcomings.
The iPad is about as useful as the Apple TV is... the Apple TV had tons of potential, had Apple actually chosen to make it a much more capable device.
Flash is here today and Apple doesn't have the market share to kill it. Not working with Adobe will just put Flash further behind on OSX, which is not what I want to see happen... as the next version of Flash is definitely getting tweaked like crazy to run great on Windows.
Yes, but he didn't say that the "out of the ordinary" feature would be that they still have Core 2 Duos!
Or like how all those Netbooks still feature Atom and Intel GMA? When there are better solutions in that bracket.
The mind boggles.
Why does it matter so much...it's Apple's system to be closed, it was never open to begin with. Believe it or not a lot of people like that, that's why there are Tivo's and Playstation 3's.
You're right in that HTML 5 might not replace Flash, I'm sure they will coexist quite fine. But Flash is not the be all end all of the internet like everyone seems to like to claim and it does not always enhance the web experience, that kind of talk sounds like someones been drinking a different flavor of kool aid around here.
Exactly. I think the only reason no other computer giant has made a serious move to desktop publishing market yet is due to patents hold by Adobe for Photoshop mostly. There's just way too many patents they have so that's probably prohibiting anyone from creating a Photoshop rival for the time being. And Adobe is milking this. They are actually not doing their best in terms of CS development since they have no rivals. They keep releasing new versions but CS4 isn't that different than CS2, let alone CS3.
I'd hope for Apple to release their own image editing software some day like they did with Final Cut.