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Adobe to sue Apple now?
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I've talked to a lot of flash developers (many of whom make a living just making games!) and the one thing they all agreed on (despite all the noise Adobe is making) is that they can't wait for Flash to no longer be used for video.
It should be as simple as inserting a .jpg in HTML. These devs want Flash to focus on the things it can do better and let video become simple for once.
I have to agree. I think Flash is a great platform for creating rich sites. Video is one thing I can live with as not being flash based.
And that's the problem. Adobe wrote crap software that won't run on ANY mobile devices. Instead of asking Adobe to fix their worthless software, everyone's attacking Apple - who has nothing to do with how bad the software is.
Maybe if everyone was directing their anger at Adobe, the problem might get fixed.
Adobe can't make Flash work on any other mobile devices. Why should Apple spend their own engineering resources trying to fix Adobe's incompetence?
Adobe disagrees with you. Adobe says that Flash 10.1 (which isn't even out yet, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and agree that it might be some day) requires a Cortex A8 or better.
It's funny enough when the Apple bashers insist that they know software development better than Apple. Now they're insisting that they know more than Adobe, too. Sheesh.
They sort of agreed to two codecs for HTML5 so far: Ogg Theora, and MPEG-4. Ogg Theora is free, MPEG-4 is -- very tricky [free today, who knows tomorrow?] There are rumors that another codec may be coming. So far, browsers seem to support either Ogg Theora or MPEG-4 (or neither), but, not both. YouTube supports MPEG-4. There is a rumor out there that a third codec similar to Ogg Theora, but improved, may be in the works.
On the original subject, I am baffled on what grounds Adobe could sue Apple. Apple does support Flash on its regular computers, but, nobody is supporting Flash on cell phones. I had a phone once with about a four-hour battery lifetime-- I was constantly looking for a recharge. Phones and PDA's, including iPads, have to have reasonable battery lifetimes to be useful.
MPEG LA will start charging royalties in 2016 for H264. the other mystery codec is VP8, which Google might make open source (I hope someone stands up to Apple and MPEG LA).
Haven't heard about an improved Ogg Theora, but youtube peeps have said it's just too bandwidth heavy for them to dispense the amount of video they serve up each day with Ogg in its current form.
Google is a full MPEG LA licensee as well. And that's not likely to change, even if they release VP8 open source. Which I hope they do.
The video tag isn't really that different the img tag was long ago. I've used browsers that didn't support various image formats. But those problems are pretty much gone now. Give it time the video tag will start with H.264 and Theora then add other codecs as they develop.
Once again, logic doesn't reign as another genius responds to a post they claim to have ignored or advocate ignoring, PRECISELY ABOUT the illogic of ANOTHER genius responding to a post that they supposedly ignored.
Any more geniuses out there?
NEXT!
Where?
I provided a link to an adobe site listing Cortex A8 as the minimum speed for Flash 10.1. Where is the link to Adobe saying that iPhone 3GS uses Cortex A8?
Wikipedia is wrong. The iPhone 3GS has a 600 MHz ARM design and was on the market long before the A8 came out.
The Palm Pre was already being shown off with an A8.
As for the 3GS, In their teardown article, AnandTech says:
Is there later evidence to the contrary?
Even if that were true, Adobe requires 800 MHz A8 - while the iPhone 3GS is only 600 (and earlier iPhones were even lower).
Flash's hardware requirements are considerably higher than any iPhone on the market - so Apple can't be blamed for not being able to run Flash.
I must have missed seeing the 800Mhz requirement. Link, please?
I thought Adobe was putting Flash 10 on the Droid, Nexus One and Pre... and two of those are running at 600MHz like the 3GS.
I'm assuming this has at least in part to do with the comments Steve made? something along the lines of "Flash is a CPU hog, opens up major security risks, and crashes Mac's." I'm sure I missed some of the details.
It is inappropriate for a major company's CEO to make a public speech with comments like those. However true they may be. I hate to see Apple and Adobe fighting. Whatever the outcome, are there really any "winners" in the end?! I'm not going to take sides and parade behind either company, blindly bashing based on speculations. They both provide the tools I use everyday.
What is starting to bother me is that Adobe and Apple are litigating, Google, HTC and Apple fighting. Apple is meeting with AMD even though they have an exclusive arrangement with Intel. Steve Jobs went off on a Chief Editor at The Wall Street Journal over a petty thing. I'm sure I've missed some other disputes. So what's next? Apple is making a lot of headlines both good and bad, but most certainly making enemies in the industry, and no small ones at that.
I love Apple products. I love Adobe Photoshop. I don't care much for Flash, but I have seen a lot of creative websites using flash to great effect. I hate ads, especially flash banners. But I'd rather have the choice to disable flash when I want, than see a company bully it out of existence. Maybe options will start showing up in our web browsers, allowing us to specify flash or html5, and websites will detect this preference. Put the choice in "our hands", instead of exclusively in corporate.
It is inappropriate for a major company's CEO to make a public speech with comments like those. However true they may be. I hate to see Apple and Adobe fighting. Whatever the outcome, are there really any "winners" in the end?! I'm not going to take sides and parade behind either company, blindly bashing based on speculations. They both provide the tools I use everyday.
What is starting to bother me is that Adobe and Apple are litigating, Google, HTC and Apple fighting. Apple is meeting with AMD even though they have an exclusive arrangement with Intel. Steve Jobs went off on a Chief Editor at The Wall Street Journal over a petty thing. I'm sure I've missed some other disputes. So what's next? Apple is making a lot of headlines both good and bad, but most certainly making enemies in the industry, and no small ones at that.
I love Apple products. I love Adobe Photoshop. I don't care much for Flash, but I have seen a lot of creative websites using flash to great effect. I hate ads, especially flash banners. But I'd rather have the choice to disable flash when I want, than see a company bully it out of existence. Maybe options will start showing up in our web browsers, allowing us to specify flash or html5, and websites will detect this preference. Put the choice in "our hands", instead of exclusively in corporate.
Seriously? Companies bash each other all the time. You may consider Steve's comments inappropriate, I don't. Either way, there's nothing actionable about them for Adobe to sue over.
Domino's Pizza and Papa John's, don't really count in these regards.
Actionable or not, sue-able or not, that is for a Judge to decide. Like I said, I'm not taking sides. I just hate to see Apple and Adobe (both companies I admire) litigating.
Its a good thing that they are not doing anything of the sort and there is no evidence that there will be. This is nothing more than one bloggers idle speculation that has no evidence whatsoever. You get more meat from TMZ than that this story.
I agree. I'll go out on a limb and again predict there will be no such lawsuit. As I've mentioned, when a big company intends to sue another big company, they don't let them know it's coming. Surprise is a huge tactical advantage, because the first party into court generally gets to pick the court.
No it won't, flash is on its way out, and Adobe knows that. That is why they are suing. HTML is going to take over within the next few years. Adobe seeing the writing on the wall. Just look at youtube, they have HTML5 beta. It runs so much better than the flash version. Don't be surprised to see youtube go to all html5 within the near future.
All apple has to do is make an iphone that allows flash and show how flash heavy sites can overheat their iphone and burn someone, and apple will have made their case. If your computer goes up that high, just think how a small phone will react. Apple can just show how flash can brick their phones and that is why they wont allow it
it's not defamation if its true right?
If Apple says Flash runs badly on macs, Adobe cannot sue for that since all you have to do is take your mac to a flash heavy site and show it does not run well.
isnt it only defamation if the claim is not true?
And the anti-apple fanboys would blame that on apple or accuse apple of sabatoging the prototype iphone that had flash on it.