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Adobe to sue Apple now?
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Agree 100% on what their approach is/would be. Honestly, I don't even think they care if it will stand up in court. It feels like they just want to smear and tarnish the iPhone platform; try to hamper it's further success so it won't hinder adoption of their development tools.
YUP! But HEAVEN FORBID they realize that the entire tech industry is migrating to open standards and they build tools that embrace that and help devs transition and create awesome standards based content!
If any leader over there had any vision, they would already have a product or suite that fills that spot. But NOOOO, just fight to protect ancient, neglected, outdated garbage as long as you can possibly milk it! Based on what? What is the the law which would allow you to obtain relief - even if you won?
Apple doesn't owe you Flash. Particularly since NO mobile phone supplier offers it right now and Adobe's own specs say that it won't run on an iPhone. Under what kind of novel legal theory can you hold Apple responsible for Flash requiring more CPU power than the iPhone has?
Nonsense. Quick. Tell me what processor is in your big screen TV. Or your game console. Or your microwave. Or your BMW.
The iPad is an appliance and appliances are not rated by processor specs. Nor are cars rated by processor specs. Engine displacement/power ARE reported because they're important to the consumer, specifically with respect to some indication of performance and comparison to other vehicles - just as Apple reports the storage capacity of the iPad (16 GB, 32 GB, or 64 GB).
Your continued insistence that Apple only reports specs when it makes them look good is just plain silly. There are no other systems comparable to the iPad, yet Apple reported the specs that people care about (weight, size, storage). The iPhone 3GS has more RAM than most competitive phones, yet Apple doesn't even mention the amount of RAM. They focus on specs that matter to the user OR which have been so standard that everyone expects them (CPU GHz, for example).
Little thought? Nice insult. Do you have a clue?? Do you work with Flash Professional, I do, can you create swf files in other programs? I haven't found one other that Adobe's Flash, at least for Macs, please share any links you have to other ways to create a Flash swf file. I am interested to know. While Adobe's Actionscript is based on open source, it isn't exactly the same as being an open source, you can't write Actionscript in a webpage and have it work like you can with javascript.
I have made video players using Flash, my videos were encoded in H.264 or I could have made a .flv too. Flash created for the web is a swf file that needs the Flash player to run, H.264 is a video codec it can be wrapped in different ways to play in different formats including the <video> tag in html5.
You may be able to run Flash created apps if they existed, but they don't yet. And OS 4 isn't here yet either so what you posted is speculation. I may not have explained what my programmer friend said exactly but the APIs do make a difference, from an article at Apple Insider - "According to Apple, it created over 1500 new APIs in it's iPhone 4 OS. The only reason it could possibly want to engage in that massive effort, is in hopes of differentiating it's platform from competitors. Apple wants developers to use these API's to create applications that utilizes the strengths of it's platform."
The arguments about Flash player do get mixed into these conversations, and I know the latest bruhaha is not about the web player but the compiler, but excuse me, if you are programming in Adobe's Flash program you are using Flash Action Script to create the base file. Otherwise what is the point of selling Flash CS5, as Adobe has done, as an easy way to get Flash files on an iPhone via the app store? Now Adobe may most likely have added more script between the version I have which is Flash CS4 Professional and CS5, but Apple is saying they DON'T have the new APIs that Apple has created. Again, talk to programmer's using Xcode, what the Flash complier creates as an APP is not the same was what the native Xcode compiler creates.
P.S. I AM a professional graphic and web designer, been in the business for well over 30 years, before Photoshop existed and we used stat cameras and Rubylith. I have used Photoshop since the first incarnation and MacPaint before that. I like using it but there are other things out there that can get the job done. Talk about a monopoly, the idea that design professionals can "only" use Photoshop is laughable, I can use anything, even finger paint, if necessary, I have been doing this long before computers were used in the graphic industry!
There are lots of them. 10 seconds on Google brought up this: http://osflash.org/open_source_flash_projects
Cbf checking which ones work on which platforms, but at least one of them is a plugin for Eclipse, which is multi-platform.
Sure! You have to admit the MS transformation of J. Allard is eerily similar.
I'd argue that jobs doesn't need to - he is masterful at using the internet and the press to say his words for him. I don't know what the CEO of Adobe looks like. But I saw Steve on the cover of Time last week:
http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/2010/1101100412_400.jpg
The man is uncanny.
You have very specific requirements there, dunno if I can find examples of that.
I think that's where we disagree and will not see eye to eye. Apple was trying to single out Adobe and I understand why from a business standpoint - but they screwed middleware for games development in general and indie developers in particular. John Carmack - a guy with the chops to program whatever - even expressed his concern that Apple "didn't really like games" when he interacted with them on his early iPhone release. As an owner of Unity and Torque, I'd have to agree.
I'm not sure exactly what Adobe is gonna do, but I'm holding off my next mac purchase just in case.
Well, over in the Unity and Torque forums, it's full of iphone developers who have put their apps on hold. Apple's new terms of service will cull many developers, that's for sure. But it's the little guys that suffer.
The distinct impression I'm getting from many users is that the app store is a gold rush. You might get lucky before you get drowned in a sea of poorly made free and 99 cent apps.
Or "freemium". Ugh.
http://fbindie.posterous.com/?tag=doodleday
Hm, why did I think that the iPad is NOT a mobile phone?
Oh, maybe because Apple claims that the iPad is "the best way to see the sites. ... Get the whole story."
Oh, wait, but it's not really the whole story, is it?
'Cause the iPad can only show either mobile versions of the major sites, or no sites at all, if they are done entirely in Flash and don't bother to provide mobile versions.
It's this kind of lying which forced Apple to pull its original iPhone ads in England, and they are at it again.
Only this time Jobs figured he'll get caught, so he went on a preemptive attack on Adobe.
And the banning of cross-compilers just reaffirms that Apple's policies have nothing to do with Flash "crashing," but everything to do with eliminating competition, by any means possible.
Dude shut up, you are probably the worst poster here ever. The amt of time you spend quoting every person on here just to tell them about shilling and cortex a8 is absolutely disgusting and pathetic. Get over yourself. Shill yourself. Whatever... Just stop arguing. Do you even have an iPhone or iPad or are you just a miserable loser that can't stop fighting on a message board?
Flash sucks, I don't like it, wish it wasn't a resource hog and such a spam tool but who cares about that... Just wouldn't mind it showing the F up on my webpages on these devices. You're not involved in the lawsuits you're just a whiny turd.
Cortex A9 will eat your flash face
You mean the way you ignored my post... by responding to it and getting my quite valid points even more recognition?
Logic. Try it some time.
NEXT!
My hero!
Tick... tick.... tick.... tick....
I don't know either. Usually that is the sign of all rational discussion ending.
I pretty much automatically add anyone stooping to that level to my ignore filters (more people should do the same, heck the ignore numbers should be available, to make trouble makers easier to spot).
Considering that signal to noise ratio here (80% nonsense) anyone who wants to draw attention to themselves as being part of the noise, is no loss when you ignore them.
That's really rather humorous. I provide detailed rebuttal to arguments in my posts along with URLs where appropriate, debunking opponent's points line by line.
You, OTOH, spew stuff like the above - and you're arguing that _I_ don't belong here?
It's my iPhone, I paid for it in full, how hard is to at least give me the option to install flash on "MY" iPhone if I wanted to? It's not like Adobe is forcing us to install it. If you don't like flash, then don't install it! as in matter of fact.. uninstall it from your Windows/Mac machines too since it's such a resource hog you retards.. jeez.
And for the record, I don't care if HTML5 or Jquery is the future, you morons can sit and wait for the "future" to come to you, but there are people like me who just don't have the patience for that kind of stuff, there are tons of websites out there that haven't officially made the switch to HTML5, it would be nice if I can browse these websites while the future "pans out" on the other end. And for those of you who have jailbroken your iPhone and say Apple has every right to restrict their platform, you're the biggest idiots on the face of the Earth.
And for the record, I don't care if HTML5 or Jquery is the future, you morons can sit and wait for the "future" to come to you, but there are people like me who just don't have the patience for that kind of stuff, there are tons of websites out there that haven't officially made the switch to HTML5, it would be nice if I can browse these websites while the future "pans out" on the other end. And for those of you who have jailbroken your iPhone and say Apple has every right to restrict their platform, you're the biggest idiots on the face of the Earth.
Complain to Adobe. They say that Flash requires a Cortex A8 or better. It's not Apple's fault it won't work.
Besides, your entire premise is flawed. No one OWES YOU Flash or any other software. I would like to be able to run Photoshop on Linux. Should Adobe be forced to support it? Heck, I have an old BeOS system in the closet somewhere. I'd like CS5 on that. Where is it? I paid for the computer and I want to use CS5 on it. Adobe owes it to me - at least as much as Apple should be required to give you Flash on the iPhone.
I agree. With Adobe's logic, Apple should sue Adobe for not providing 64bit Photoshop for Mac, while providing such for Windows.
Do you have a link to that requirement?
Speaking of a bad premise, no one is asking Adobe to do something they don't want to.
In this case, Adobe has said that they would happily collaborate with Apple on making Flash work well on the iPhone, but Apple has refused.
Thank you. I didn't doubt it; I just couldn't find it.
I knew something had changed, as I knew they had said that WM6.5 wasn't going to get Flash.
This reminds me of two saying I have picked up over the years.
"Those who can't innovate, litigate."
and one that is a bit longer.
"When the technology sucks, have engineering fix it.
When the engineering sucks, have marketing fix it.
When marketing sucks, have the accountants fix it.
When the accounting suck, have the lawyers fix it."
IMO, both apply here.
"Those who can't innovate, litigate."
and one that is a bit longer.
"When the technology sucks, have engineering fix it.
When the engineering sucks, have marketing fix it.
When marketing sucks, have the accountants fix it.
When the accounting suck, have the lawyers fix it."
IMO, both apply here.
It's ridiculous that Apple have locked out cross-compilers when they themselves use an LLVM in Obj-C transcoding.. i've been a Flash dev for years and an Apple user even longer but it's recent steps like these that make me lose faith.
I learned my trade from the likes of Lee Brimelow over at GTAL and wish him and Adobe the best in their pursuance of a legal decision..
If this was Redmond and not Cupertino, there would already be several anti-trust lawsuits being filed.
I learned my trade from the likes of Lee Brimelow over at GTAL and wish him and Adobe the best in their pursuance of a legal decision..
If this was Redmond and not Cupertino, there would already be several anti-trust lawsuits being filed.
LLVM is not nearly the same thing. Heck, in the old days C++ was translated to C prior to being compiled. Also not the same thing. Apple's rules require Objective-C, C, C++ source, which makes perfect sense in light of their use of CLANG and LLVM.
Absolutely.
FCP splits the market 50/50 with Avid.
Logic Pro speaks for itself.
Have you used Aperture 3 yet?
You're obviously ignorant of the fact that Logic was created by a German company called Emagic.
So...
The internet was flash.
Apple doesn't approve flash on iPhone OS.
The world switch to HTML5.
Adobe loose market.
Adobe sue Apple.
Did I get it right?
The internet was flash.
Apple doesn't approve flash on iPhone OS.
The world switch to HTML5.
Adobe loose market.
Adobe sue Apple.
Did I get it right?