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I am not a Forestall fan by any means... but at this point... I think that Cook's culture of 'harmony' created an army of yes-men that will do whatever Cook and Ive say.
The fact that Forestall was far from Apple could also give him some advantage.
I feel you - I'm all for great teamwork, which is why Forstall was dismissed, but Apple trying to be a SJW rather than focusing on simple and powerful product lines is bothering me more than it should.
 
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iMac is almost definitely getting refreshed in the spring when the new high end Kaby Lake processors become available. Mac pro will probably see an update at the same time (maybe). And while it's sad to see this router go, the fact was that it didn't sell well enough to justify future development.

It's hard to imagine a real refresh.

They look to be all but dropping the Mini, and the Pro hasn't been updated in how long? The iMacs are needing an update too... :confused:
 
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Apple is now putting a lot more priority to the absolute maximum profit margins ever possible with much less regard for customer benefit, rather balancing profits and customer satisfaction. Just like the Apple in the 90s, lost vision in place for greed and profits.
 
Go watch Steve Jobs' keynote again when he announced iCloud. He demoted the Mac from the media hub into "just a device."

A sales pitch ain't really the best way to judge. It is 'just a device' in a company that uses exclusively devices to keep up an ecosystem.
 
I think all the bloggers have overlooked the biggest reason Apple is getting out of the router biz: most every ISP in the country now, or will soon include router and wi-fi capabilities built-in as part of their modem hardware.

Hard to compete with "free"...

People don't want a router from their ISP the same way they don't want to lease a cable box from their cable provider.

And why would I want to bundle my modem and router together? That just means when one breaks or goes obsolete then I have to replace both. I purposely have each as a dedicated unit and Time Warner provides a list of supported modems to do so. It allows me to purchase my own modem instead of being forced to lease (they have a leasing option as well). It paid for itself in a year.
 
That's hard to believe.

You can't even configure it from a Windows PC which makes up 90% of PCs.
There is an Airport Utility for Windows. Also Windows users generally wouldn't be buying this. On the other hand, I love my Time Capsule and the ability to configure it from my Macs and iPhone app.
 
Tim Cook should resign.
I used to laugh at these comments, but I am slowly starting to think that Tim Cook is not the best person to run Apple. The company was already shooting to the moon under Jobs and the momentum from those projects carried them forward. Now they seem like they've lost direction. Sure, they're making crap loads of money—and that's the argument I always hear against him leaving. But Cook doesn't have the same charisma, the same drive to make great products that aren't just huge cash cows but enrich the user's experience at every point of contact with technology. And he certainly doesn't see the value in the professional customers who helped Apple through their darkest times and were a huge influencer over the people they know to buy into Apple's ecosystem. We don't want Apple the fashion brand, we want Apple Computer, Inc.
 
I feel you - I'm all for great teamwork, which is why Forstall was dismissed, but Apple trying to be a SJW rather than focusing on simple and powerful product lines is bothering me more than it should.

I'd rather have them be a SJW than a SIJW.

Believing that SJW is inappropriate just means give up and accept that humanity really is doomed. It might be, but I hope it doesn't end while I'm still trying to have a life. The pessimism is that is killing us all...
 
I never thought I'd enjoy my airport extreme wireless ac as much as i do,

I'm used to tinkering with DD-wrt for stability on top of a cheap router

but this thing has worked great,

sad apple is quitting. of course they can innovate, but wireless ac seems like a decent stopping point anyways no?

can handle my 200 down with relative ease,

and I got the router refurb'd at least a year or two ago, for lower $100 bucks, a steal even compared to competition- little to no "apple tax" maybe thats why they are exiting, they can't secure exponential profit

this one really does "just work" unlike so many of their products these days with subtle bugs or annoyances
 
I used to laugh at these comments, but I am slowly starting to think that Tim Cook is not the best person to run Apple. The company was already shooting to the moon under Jobs and the momentum from those projects carried them forward. Now they seem like they've lost direction. Sure, they're making crap loads of money—and that's the argument I always hear against him leaving. But Cook doesn't have the same charisma, the same drive to make great products that aren't just huge cash cows but enrich the user's experience at every point of contact with technology. And he certainly doesn't see the value in the professional customers who helped Apple through their darkest times and were a huge influencer over the people they know to buy into Apple's ecosystem. We don't want Apple the fashion brand, we want Apple Computer, Inc.

As I said before in other threads, Cook's job was to be the immediate-post Jobs stabilizer. His experience in keeping up with tactical tasks was perfect to stabilize a company that had to live through the trauma of Jobs' death. His other task was to find the next visionary, instead he decided to become it. Cook badly misunderstood his role.
 
I personally love my Apple TC. But when you see Belkin and Netgear only 30-40 points below Apple, you know the entire report is false or inaccurate.
 
Maybe they can't innovate...
They can't and they haven't been for some time. The Mac Pro is languishing, the rest of the Mac line-up receives mediocre updates with outdated specs, customers are leaving in droves. Meanwhile Apple is focusing on diversity & harmony, being a fashion company, parading exec's around to do damage control for their hardware mistakes (see Phil Schiller recently) and designing "Minimalist" Christmas, scuse me, Holiday decorations and self-indulgent photobooks.
 
I have an Apple Extreme and couple of Airport Express. Great devices and solid performance. You can see why Apple have discontinued them. ISP routers are more than enough for the average consumers and Ac is becoming more common. I would like to think Apple are rethinking the home. Just bought an Echo Dot and really like it. Apple TV needs to have a major rethink. However I'm sure Tim was negative towards Amazon Echo and Google Home in an interview few months ago. He basically said the iPhone with Siri is the best way because they are always with you .... something like that
 
Yes you can. There is AirPort Utility for Windows.

EDIT: As pointed out the AirPort Time Capsule 802.11ac & AirPort Extreme 802.11ac models can't be configured by the Windows Utility.

This is not true, I maintain and configure many (15+) 802.11ac models with the Windows Utility. It works flawlessly.
 
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It's a shame. I'm still using my 2nd generation AirPort Extreme and it works as well as the first day. At least for my home use needs it works like a charm.
 
My old ass Airport Extreme is still going strong after practically no issues, so I am satisfied. Same can't be said about my router. But not sure why they have decided to leave the market. Maybe the reason why improvements were made for time machine backups to externals connected to the router.
 
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A sales pitch ain't really the best way to judge. It is 'just a device' in a company that uses exclusively devices to keep up an ecosystem.
Well, we can debate however long. If you think Apple is heading the wrong way, then better jump ship before it's too late. I'm a Mac user with multiple Airports, and would be sad if Apple decided to switch gear. But I understand the reasonings behind it.
This is all based on the irrational fear that people have about Apple ditching the Mac. I doubt they would ever, but I can understand the logic if they did. It's Business 101.
 
iMac is almost definitely getting refreshed in the spring when the new high end Kaby Lake processors become available. Mac pro will probably see an update at the same time (maybe). And while it's sad to see this router go, the fact was that it didn't sell well enough to justify future development.

People have been saying Mac Pro will 'maybe' get updates for years now. Kinda like how people kept saying the TBD refresh was right around the corner...then one day...they slap a discontinued press release out and tell you to consider better third party options.

I'm not holding my breath anymore. Apple has really moved to unpredictable patterns.

In regards to iMac, technologically, there isn't much to update. Processors aren't going to be next generation worthy (as seen with MacBook Pro). At best, you'll get a new radically thinner design, a slightly improved mobile GFX card and TB3 ports only.
 
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If something is sad for the customer, it will eventually become sad for the company.
Being "another Google" will not work for Apple.

Apple was about the "complete ecosystem", which included:
- Macs
- iOS devices
- Apps
- iCloud
- Apple peripherals (like Time Capsule, Displays, iPhone covers, etc.)

This was good for the customer, thus good for Apple. Not every "part" of this ecosystem is maximum profitable, but the whole is more than the sum of all parts.

Moving towards just iOS and iCloud = Google, oh, and Microsoft.

In the short-term this is all about "maximising profits" (and people will praise Timmy for this), but in the long-term I'm afraid Apple will have to fight for marketshare by... lowering the prices... bye bye, high margins etc.

I don't like that strategy, but we as customers have our vision for the company and I guess it is easy for us to complain and to judge. I do complain a lot of time, but I'm not managing the company and profits are terrific, that's what the board of directors and investors care about. I'm not sure they care about the long run.

Their main source of money today is iOS devices, and iOS relies mainly on iCloud.
Latest macOS version synchronise stuff to iCloud (I believe it is the Document folder, I don't use the feature), and that's the first step into moving everything there.
More profits, more people bound to their ecosystem. I agree with you, that's sad for me and could take me away from the company so sad for them as well, but we "loyal" Mac users are now a minority of their customer base.
 
Well, we can debate however long. If you think Apple is heading the wrong way, then better jump ship before it's too late. I'm a Mac user with multiple Airports, and would be sad if Apple decided to switch gear. But I understand the reasonings behind it.
This is all based on the irrational fear that people have about Apple ditching the Mac. I doubt they would ever, but I can understand the logic if they did. It's Business 101.

Of course time will tell. I think they're headed the wrong way, and I am already looking at other options. For now, I am okay... but I don't really want any other product. I was waiting for the new MBP... now I know I won't buy it.
We shall see.
 
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