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All-New Mac Pro Launches Thursday, December 19 Starting at $2999
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This Pro is far too niche...price starts at $2999 which comes with 12GB ram and a tiny 256GB drive...not to mention the max memory is 64GB.
Basically Apple has nothing in between the $1200 iMac and this $3000 Pro...it's either pay out the wazzooooo for the Mac Pro (and in my opinion get a poorly-user-upgradeable system) which Apple thinks is the world's best Workstation (but it maxes out at 64GB and a single CPU) or get a mom & dad-class home desktop with a monitor us techies probably don't need/care for. Oh...but I can buy the Mini for $600 that has 0 upgradeability, a poor 5400-rpm drive (seriously, Apple?!), 4GB ram, and no keyboard/mouse. Beefing the Mini up to 8GB ram and a better i7 chip will run you up to $1000....before your keyboard/mouse which is another $100+.
Other than some diehard Mac addicts THAT ALSO HAVE a need for Xeon chips, this Pro is ridiculously expensive while offering very little upgradeability (other than at time of purchase and 300% Apple markups).
If Apple were to make a box/workstation that was priced between $900 and $2500 that were more like Wintel workstations/pro-sumer desktops, I (and others) would be buying them like hotcakes. I don't need a monitor so the iMac is just a huge waste of desk space (as well as 0 upgradeability).
<sigh>yet another decade without a reasonably-priced, appealing desktop/workstation from Apple.
Basically Apple has nothing in between the $1200 iMac and this $3000 Pro...it's either pay out the wazzooooo for the Mac Pro (and in my opinion get a poorly-user-upgradeable system) which Apple thinks is the world's best Workstation (but it maxes out at 64GB and a single CPU) or get a mom & dad-class home desktop with a monitor us techies probably don't need/care for. Oh...but I can buy the Mini for $600 that has 0 upgradeability, a poor 5400-rpm drive (seriously, Apple?!), 4GB ram, and no keyboard/mouse. Beefing the Mini up to 8GB ram and a better i7 chip will run you up to $1000....before your keyboard/mouse which is another $100+.
Other than some diehard Mac addicts THAT ALSO HAVE a need for Xeon chips, this Pro is ridiculously expensive while offering very little upgradeability (other than at time of purchase and 300% Apple markups).
If Apple were to make a box/workstation that was priced between $900 and $2500 that were more like Wintel workstations/pro-sumer desktops, I (and others) would be buying them like hotcakes. I don't need a monitor so the iMac is just a huge waste of desk space (as well as 0 upgradeability).
<sigh>yet another decade without a reasonably-priced, appealing desktop/workstation from Apple.
Anyone camping out waiting in line yet for one of these?
The price is a difficult thing to argue. Apple could have easily given us a reshaped Mac Pro metal tower with updated internals but they went for a futuristic looking design that's almost portable and what-not (the outgoing Mac Pros were a beee'otch to carry around for shoots and on set productions.) With that, Apple is most likely trying to make back what they spent on all the research and development to this new Mac Pro unit. $2,999 is pocket change for a lot of the studios I've worked for.
The price is a difficult thing to argue. Apple could have easily given us a reshaped Mac Pro metal tower with updated internals but they went for a futuristic looking design that's almost portable and what-not (the outgoing Mac Pros were a beee'otch to carry around for shoots and on set productions.) With that, Apple is most likely trying to make back what they spent on all the research and development to this new Mac Pro unit. $2,999 is pocket change for a lot of the studios I've worked for.
For the old Mac Pro, in the hands of a novice user, that may be the case. For the old Mac Pro, in the hands of a user that needs PCIe cards, and a RAIDed internal HDD system it was a dream.
The nMP now needs at least two PCIe external boxes for Fibre Channel and a I/O video card. The AJA IOXT, a Fibre Channel Card (to connect to an ISIS), two displays, the Mac Pro, speakers, and an audio interface, are all just the parts off the top of my head that would go into even the most basic of edit suites.
Who in the world said anything about replacing a MBP with a fully loaded Mac Pro?
If you're an editor/designer/etc. that has been in the field, and is now not then upgrading to an iMac or a Mac Pro makes more sense. The latter being the best choice for someone that needs the most power.
For example, a fully loaded rMBP, 27" iMac, and baseline Mac Pro all run about $3000.
I still don't know what people are talking about when they say that $10,000 is a lot of money for any business.
When I was a solo, freelance photojournalist I opened a line of credit for $15,000 just to get gear. I paid that off within the first 8 months (early) and still had enough money to legitimately pay my taxes, feed and cloth myself, and pay rent.
I got a flyer in the mail from Guitar Center and you know what? There were $2000 guitars in there. Who would pay $2000 for a guitar? Answer: someone who plays for a living.
If you are crying about $3000 for a nMP you are not a Pro user. And just because you use a computer at work doesn't make you a Pro user.
If you are crying about $3000 for a nMP you are not a Pro user. And just because you use a computer at work doesn't make you a Pro user.
If I wanted one of the stock models I'd be tempted to show up at one of the local stores early tomorrow. There is enough interest in my area that the few (if any) the stores get would be snapped up in short order.
Also the 'available for order' vs 'available' thing makes me think I should just sleep in.
I don't want Apple to rush anything to market before it's ready, but I can't get rid of the feeling, that more often than not Apple is delaying things purely because they can, because they think primarily about milking money as much as possible and not about advancing technology faster. Only fast enough. They are definitely not "hungry" anymore.
I for one would love "rampant technology for technology’s sake", when and where it makes sense - like releasing Thunderbolt display with iMac like glare-less glass and USB3, for example. That could easily be done a year ago, and a new 4K model about now. But they just make us wait and wait.
Just to throw in a quick note but your idea is why people were talking crap about Apple not being able to innovate anymore. You (an innovative company) can't just throw everything out there at once before another idea is generated, tested and ready for market otherwise we would be back to square one listening to the hater's comments saying, "Apple can't innovate anymore".
My thing is why do you sound like so many others that seemingly expect ONLY Apple to be the market leader? I would really like to see some other company have that responsibility and put out something so great that Apple needed to go back to the drawing board. That doesn't happen.
I suppose you think that dishonors the christian holiday of christmas by satirizing a popular tune that honors one of it's non-christian traditions?
You don't unfortunately. Unless you just stick the thing in a rack tray.
Does anyone know if the Mac Pro even comes with a Kensington or ANY locking mount?
Most of the universities labs I know of have already switched to the iMac for good reasons.
The nMP makes it nigh impossible to secure the thing in a high traffic area like a university media lab.
That's not he whole story. I think that Apple think they make products that although might not be the most powerful but are cutting edge and look impeccably finished from whatever angle you choose to look at them. (My 2006 Mac Pro looks like more attention to detail has been lavished on the inside than most PCs do on the outside).
That they don't make cheap ones is how ther business model works.
Rolls Royce have pretty much the same ethos as Apple, there is a ridiculous mark up on what they do too but they're not clamouring for a slice of the budget market either.
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I hope you mean Audi A4.
It is not ridiculous, that's commonplace for a high-end workstation or even a well spec'd iMac.
And tell that to Microsoft that charges $500 for a "gaming machine" that in essence is nothing more than a over-hyped, over-priced vending machine that is basically useless without spending money on their online services, expensive games and the accessories that use to come with their machine and no longer do but the price has now almost doubled since the first one.
I agree, but when you compare any of the Power Mac or Mac Pro workstations to HP and Dell counterparts the PC workstations blow the Macs away.
Even the OG Mac Pro wasn't completely tool-less, while the PCs were so all the way down to the CPU. . . . and I mean 100% tool-less. Not to mention the ability to hold up to 6 and at times 8 internal HDDs, two double wide PCIe slots with an additional 4 and at times 5 slots.
You may not be able to see it very well in the pic, but the dell precision T7610 has 7 PCIe slots. Two of which are double wide.
This...And I have a mate that paid 30K for a taxi and He moaned less ( not at all in fact ) than some of the 'Pros' on here.
If you cannot recoup the cost over, say 6 months to a year without it stretching you at all you don't need it. I know a number of 3d / compositors that buy all the most expensive kit they can and either don't use any of the power or have the skills to actually make use of it.... my favourite was a guy who called me in to do some particle effects in After Effects and in 2 years he had never turned on Multi Processing.. and was only set using 3gb of his 64gb
Oh how I laughed. If you think it's expensive. You don't need it.
If you need it it's completely tax deductible. End of.
I agree, it just wasn't funny. But that doesn't compare to the sadness it must take to create an account just to tell someone that.
I agree with you, but I don't think that's ever a good argument stance. The only qualified price comparisons should really be made about what competitors offer or what you can build.
Gut it and stick in the new Mac Pro with all it's peripherals connected, all neat and tidy.
