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We still have no idea if CrossFire is supported on these GPUs, even when booting Windows. So if you're buying one primarily as a game machine you're possibly throwing one of the GPUs away.

Good point. I better hold on to my money until i know..
Tnx.
 
Sports?

Now I can finally hook this up to watch the 49RS get their butts handed to them by Seattle in 4k!!:p

Then onto some serious design...
 
Already half way through the 19th here. Too bad they didn't specify a timezone.

the green one is a good guess. #

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Gonna camp out in line for it! Seriously though, I'm more excited about this than I was about the new iPhones even though I'm definitely not buying it.
 
I wouldn't bet on that. This is Apple we're talking about. They've been making their devices less and less repairable with every new model.

Yeah, but not at this price point. I can see how Apple considers everything under $1,000 as disposable. But these machines are going to regularly get specced out at $4,000 or more. At that price they have really should be repairable. Heck even the risk of damage during manufacture is too great to not have these be repairable. It is one thing to toss most of an iPhone when something goes wrong during manufacturing. But you've got to be able to break these bad boys back down into their base components or else the losses will be too great.
 
Gotta be an awesome gamingcomputer.
I think i buy one.

Unless you want it for other reasons, I'll be honest and say that there are cheaper and equivalent options for gaming. Plus you can't upgrade the GPU in this for newer games in the future.
 
You can upgrade ram in the mini and add a second hdd/ssd and change the one that's in it.

True confessions time: right now I'm running my studio primarily on a quad core i7 Mini Server with a 17" MBP as backup. I have the internal RAM bumped up to 16GB and for Lightwave modeling/animating/rendering it's serviceable if not stellar, and even Premiere and After Effects do well enough in 1080p HD which is the resolution I work at most often. The Mini is driving a 27" Apple Cinema Display plus a secondary HP monitor over HDMI.

Really, I consider the Mini to be under-rated, even with the cruddy graphics chip. It's gotten me through the growing pains of my little studio nicely and now into a position where I can move up to the big leagues. :cool:
 
Holy crap! $2999?! It's 2013, that's ridiculous!

There will always be expensive computers that most of us don't need. I develop expert systems (non-consumer software), work with very large photos and images, and I don't even need this machine. A regular $1000 Core i7 box with an SSD works just fine. Those who need a MacPro know it, and they won't worry about the $3000 cost. Other companies make Xeon rigs as well, and they're not cheap.

If I complained about anything, that would be the lack of a bigger Mac mini with a real video card. A small desktop box, which is not an all-in-one. Core i7, GTX760, SSD would do it. The video board alone would be many times bigger than the entire Mac mini, though.
 
People keep calling this a 'desktop'... it's not a desktop machine. It's a workstation with workstation class performance. This isn't even in the same ballpark as the iMac, or even your buddies gaming system. This is for people who work in the professional visual arts who need more horsepower than simply photo editing or similar work. You're not going to see a lot of Photoshop or Illustrator designers jumping on board. Even a lot of HD video editors won't make the leap, as the iMac more than fills their needs. But motion-graphic artists, 3D animators, CAD designers, and some specialty math/science fields will definitely benefit in a big way from this system.

A little sensitive aren't you? It's either a tablet, laptop, AIO or desktop. An HP Z8200 is a desktop computer, one of workstation class but still a desktop. If you look at HP's site some of what you might call a "desktop" and what you might call a "workstation" appear to be built on the same chassis (Zs and ProDesks/Elite Desks).
 
i waited, and waited, and waited for the mac pro refresh, then they announced this useless ornament and i spent the money on building a MUCH more powerful PC, Hackintoshed it, and now i have the Mac Pro that "Should" have been, Internal, easy to upgrade 2TB SSD Raid boot drive and an 8TB raid with redundancy for local storage, easily, "OFF-The-Shelf" upgradeable high end graphics, and a user replaceable CPU, and drives,

All in one BOX, no messy thunderbolt cables, caddies, external raid enclosures and additional plug sockets to find.

Out the back of my box are three cables, Video, Keyboard and Ethernet (mouse is wireless), i have a workstation that's fit for purpose, and is not a spaghetti mess of cables and extra boxes.

it seems apples approach is "here is a piece of art" its natural state is to be in the middle of rats nest of wires, enjoy (oh and you'll need to buy a new one every three years or less).

You have PCIe based flash storage?

You have a Xeon e5?

ECC memory?

Complete system stability?

..."MUCH more powerful"...

Doubt it.
 
256 Gigs of SSD RAM on both of the stock configurations. That's a pro machine? :confused:

Yep. It's upgradeable you know. Some people don't need more than that for a boot drive, so why make them pay for what they don't need?

And "256 gigs of ssd RAM" is nonsense.
 
It depends on the setup/config of the system, rendering from and to the internal SSD of the nMP will be alot faster than rendering to and from a mechanical disk, even faster than most of the 4 HDD raid systems. You would need a pretty good Thunderbolt external HDD system to outperform the PCI SSD in the nMP. If your CPU isn't the bottleneck in the system that is.

Renders are slower than a drive anyway. Writing to a hard drive has never been a bottleneck in my experience.
 
I've spoken to 2 Apple Stores thus far, and both have indicated that the new Mac Pro will NOT be available in store tomorrow - only online. Oh well.
 
I've spoken to 2 Apple Stores thus far, and both have indicated that the new Mac Pro will NOT be available in store tomorrow - only online. Oh well.

Not too surprised. Most professionals won't be buying base models. Most will be customizing them at some level.

We're making orders tomorrow with 1TB HD, 32GB RAM and either the D500 or D700.
 
I would really, seriously enlist the aid of a tax professional before taking any steps in that regard. I'm personally waiting to hear back from my accountant on how I need to handle this purchase.

In the past, I've always just deducted the Macs, software and peripherals all in one year via the Section 179 depreciation. I never purchase enough to exceed the max $105k deduction and I always make more income than what I am trying to deduct. You can do this even if you are still making payments on it. Some people might choose to deduct over 5 years but I really don't like to keep track of what I deducted when. It's just easier to take the deduction all in one year.
 
NZ too, except much worse.

US $2999
Adjust for our exchange rate: $3655 NZD
Add 15% GST: $4203 NZD
Probably add a little more for shipping and other fees.. still about $700 unaccounted for. Apple are selling it here for $4999

I really dislike that Apple does this. But hey, for the price difference you could probably just come down to the US and pick one up here. :cool:
 
In the past, I've always just deducted the Macs, software and peripherals all in one year via the Section 179 depreciation.

Actually that's also what I do. I just always pay cash for my purchases so had no idea concerning your question about how to handle payment plans, hence my advice to punt and ask. :)
 
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